A beauty pageant is a load of old nonsense. It is meaningless and ridiculous and demeaning to the particuipants.
And the fact that this pageant was state controlled is a pile of rubbish.
Are those statements of fact, Mr. Simon?!
It may have been a “load of old nonsense” *for you*, Mr. Simon, but in Beijing it was important *to them*.
The cancellation was a setback to the recognition in China of a sexual identity that has traditionally been problematic. I can’t see the humanity in denying gay people self-expression in that way, if it doesn’t harm anyone.
It’s China. The Communist Party controls everything. The idea that being allowed hold a meat-market beauty pageant in a country where there is no freedom of press; no freedom of expression; no freedom to dissent and everything is censored is hardly progress.
I doubt the feminist movememt would have celebrated the 1st time a a woman was allowed to enter Miss World.
Why should anyone be excited that a gay man is allowed to be judged on how he looks in swimwear. If that is ‘progress’ then I’m perfectly happy for China to stay where they are.
What would be next – a gay media obsessed solely with appearance and clubbing and youth (ooops – you mean like we have in the UK?)
Stewart I agree with much of what you say, however the mere fact that something even as crass as this was going to be allowed in China is a step the right way. Often the seemingly tacky but innocuous may achive what protest cannot.
Notably, China including HK still has a culture that doesn’t exclude older people, it is to be hoped that this attitude will extend into the gay “community”
I share Simon’s antipathy towards beauty pageants, but I think his criticism misses the point a little, or at least conflates two issues. Sorry Simon. We need to ask whether the event was closed because it was a gay event; would a conventional pageant have been censored in this way? Quite possibly, or course, but our experience as gay people inclines a lot of us to detect homophobia in attacks like this. Symbolically, too, the pageant was a very important thing to many Chinese gay people, however backward or disagreeable it seems to some Western, post-modern eyes. The very visibility of it alone was hugely valuable, regardless of other considerations.
Homophobia in China exists for sure but because they have not been poisoned for thousands of years by the Abrahamic religions it is more naturally accepting of homosexuality (or at least there is not the same inbuilt antipathy to homosexuality which existed in the west)
The entire society is closed – not just gay society. Google just announced they are likely to close in China because of hackers from the Communist Party monitoring email addresses of the Party’s opponents.
You simply cannot apply the same standards to China as you do to a Western country.
The very idea of a beauty pageant is a western one and I think this may have as much to do with the Communist Party shutting it down as the gay angle.
And beauty pageants are a horrible western invention. Have a look at those vile child beauty pageants in the US to see how truly hideous these events can be.
Maybe it was shut down because someone in the pagent made an unsanctioned political statement by wishing for “World Peace”!
Simon i completely agree with you “You simply cannot apply the same standards to China as you do to a Western country”.
But I think you are exaggerating a bit if you think that beauty pageants are some kind of alien western concept to the Chinese. The fact is the Chinese love beauty pageants!
Heck you turn on the TV here in China and they’re everywhere; Children entering Disney princess pageants, modelling beauty pageants and Miss Hooter’s China pageant. China has even hosted the Miss. World pageant 4 times.
I wasn’t really bothered about this event other then the fact that one of the contestants was an aquaintance of mine, but I’m sad the police choose to act this way. But again not suprised, this event courted alot of international media attention and that always makes government officals nervous.
In the many years that I’ve been in China gay bars, clubs and events have been raided only when something is beeing promoted to high heaven and that some bored homophobic government official hears about it and decides it’s wrong and shuts it down.
In China you can do whatever you want, be with who ever you want just don’t get up on a soapbox about it cause that’s when they smash you down. On any topic! Not just homosexuality.
And do not be deceived. There is great antipathy in China to homsexuality. You cannot balme it on the West at all…
i love pageants, i really do, I REALLY REALLY DO, there is nothing better than a bit of flesh on the display, people criticising beauty pageants are bitter sad ugly people, go chinese speedo wearing hunks
They have always been inscrutable, the Chinese Authorities and still are!!!
It’s a shame that this was closed down. It likely meant a lot to the young men. Beauty pageants aren’t my thing but many of those who participate actually enjoy doing so.
And Niki is right about homophobia being pretty entrenched in Chinese society. I know more than one Chinese GLBT friend of mine told me that the homophobia is very firmly entrenched–and many of the people who were the most homophobic were not Christians.
to Bishop loan.. your right homophobia is entrenched in chinese society just as racism is entrenched in gay society.. you only have to look at a few Gaydar profiles to find that out
…racism entrenched in gay society…that’s a new one for me!!
I’m neither for or against adult beauty pageants, but I thought this pageant happening in China, where homosexuality has been decriminalized in 2001, was a quick step in the right direction because the contestants were expected to do more than walk around in Speedos; they needed to present themselves as healthy and wholesome, thinking human beings….anything but mentally ill… deserving respect and dignity, just like us.
Leary i’m with you on that about racism being entrentched in the gay society!!!
The gay community as a whole tends to be very quick to judge which race someone is dating and non-chalantly come out with phrases pointing out their preferences for specific races to the point of fetishism, and distain for other gay people of certain races.(and yes i am aware that this is a generalisation).
Steven, any racism in the gay community tends to be a reflection of it in the local society generally. For example, in Singapore there is racism among the majority Chinese against any Indians on the gay scene.
Fair enough. I never thought of racism as preferring members of a certain race. Is there a name for liking members of all races, but disliking certain personality traits which can be found anywhere and in anyone? Or am I going off track here?
the people in this we’re happy as they felt like it aided them
isn’t that all that matters?
it’s a shame that it’s been shut down
Some German tabloids as the BILD-Zeitung ask whether the shut down of the contest could be an affront against openly gay German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle who visited China accompanied by his partner these days. Westerwelle brought up the fate of political prisoners, Internet freedom and human rights in talks with top officials during his visit.
There’s nothing quite like having a finger on the pulse of a nation!
You may have a point.