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  1. Simon Murphy 11 Jan 2010, 1:36pm

    The evil, nazi b@stard.

    I hope Portugal cancels his invitation.

  2. Vincent Poffley 11 Jan 2010, 1:38pm

    … and in other news, scientists working on ursine defecation patterns have confirmed the working hypothesis that the vast majority of waste ejection events occur within a sylvan environment…

  3. And compulsory celibacy isn’t? Really, who does Pope How-very-dare-you red-bloodied hetero Ratzinger think he is kidding?

  4. Simon Murphy 11 Jan 2010, 1:43pm

    The genocidal lessons Ratzinger learned when he was a member of Hitler Youth have not been forgotten. He simply applies Nazi reasoning to gay people.

    He is is a repellant, evil creature.

  5. The time has come to call on the government to cancel his invitation to visit the United Kingdom.

  6. Surely advocating celibacy and banning marriage of heterosexuals is the attack on “creation and the natural order”. I’m talking about the Catholic priesthood. Apparently African Catholic priests often ignore this and just get married. Some Irish ones too.

    What’s his problem with loving, stable same sex relationships? Clearly he knows it’s not catching and straight people are not gong to be drawn into such relationships, so how does he reckon it’s a threat to anyone or anything?

  7. Couldn’t the he be banned from entering the UK under the hate speech law? You know, the same one they used to ban Fred Phelps and his Merry Band of Wackjobs from entering the country?

  8. Moving onto real science, scientists have warned the population of the world could reach a unsustainable nine million. If human population figures reach that number it will bring about uncontrollable climate change and planet death.

  9. About as much as I think we’ve come to expect from him. He just displays his total ignorance of biology when he comes out with crap like this. Of course, if he really wants biological accuracy then he should accept evolution instead of banging on about creationism. The ancient civilisations of 6000BC would be mighty surprised to know that they shouldn’t exist yet!

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/sumerians_look_on_in_confusion_as

  10. How to put this kindly…

    We’re always told that, for all his failings, the present Pontiff has a formidable grasp of logic.

    Given this, I’d have thought he could come up with a better justification than the “natural” differences between men and women.

    Since gay sex is, by definition, physically possible, and in most cases (like most straight sex) physically harmless, it is “natural” in the broader sense. This tells us next to nothing about whether sexual or emotional relationships are desirable.

    Common sense suggests that this has rather more to do with the way two people treat each other than it has with their gender.

    The argument against gay relationships holds only if you believe that reproduction is the SOLE legitimate aim of sex, and then you would have to rail against all non vaginal sex (married or not) as well as sex between the elderly or infertile, married or not.

    And whatever you’re views about the merits of gay relationships then if you profess to believe that sex is better in a loving and committed relationship, then attacking gay people for alleged promiscuity, while denying them the stability of marriage, is the greatest hypocrisy of all.

    Besides which, the Pope himself is on especially shaky ground given his vow of celibacy. After all, whichever way you look at it, leaving your sexual organs totally unused, is the most “unnatural” behaviour of all.

  11. The Bible is very clear in more than one place that revilers are going to hell. Instead of attacking and reviling God’s gay children, the Pope should be concentrating on the sins of adulterous, fornicating, unfaithful heterosexuals everywhere who are destroying the sanctity of marriage.

  12. Fred Phelps in a frock?

    If there’s a possibility he may use his visit to publicly say things that would incite or justify hatred of gay people, or any other minority, then he should not be allowed in any more than Phelps was. It’ll be interesting to see what he says during his visit to Portugal.

    If it’s agreed he steers clear of the topic then surely the visit should be ok.

  13. F*uck the Pope… but use a condom!! ;-)

  14. Mihangel apYrs 11 Jan 2010, 2:42pm

    papa Bennie is seriously losing it.

  15. Australian gay activist Paul Mitchell 11 Jan 2010, 2:46pm

    The bigoted Pope should just shut the f**k up right now it is 2010 get with the times – he is drunk as a mule on a cold day!!!!!!

  16. Peter in Sydney 11 Jan 2010, 2:47pm

    All gays in Portugal and Britain should hold mass rallies against the Pope while he is in their countries. He is just a very nasty homophobe. Who know he is probably a gay in denial.

  17. Matt Pepprell 11 Jan 2010, 2:50pm

    From thom: F*uck the Pope… but use a condom!! ;-)

    Ewww!

  18. Simon Murphy 11 Jan 2010, 3:04pm

    Is Ratzinger’s visit to the UK official yet?

    If not then I think that on the date the visit is announced that we start emailing the Home Secretary to deny the Pope entry for the same reason Fred Phelps and Geert Wilders were denied entry.

    They will ignore the requests to ban the old Nazi and he will be allowed in. But at least when there are heavy and sustained protests whereever the evil, old F***er turns up, they cannot claim to be surprised.

  19. Mihangel apYrs 11 Jan 2010, 3:14pm

    PS

    I wonder whether Lennie will get to meet the lord high Mandie, and dashing Ben Bradshaw, and the revd Chris Bryant…..

  20. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Jan 2010, 3:23pm

    Nice spray tan. Can’t believe he will set foot in Great Britain.

  21. Not only homophobic crap, but nonsensical crap at that. What the hell has sexuality got to do with the natural differences between men and women? Just because someone loves someone of the same sex doesn’t mean they automatically dislike the other sex. Life isn’t just sex. People have social relationships with colleagues, family members, friends, etc etc. Or is sex all the Pope thinks about?

    And the only people who think LGBT people are a threat are those who feel an attraction to those of the same sex. Most adults who are secure in their sexuality don’t care.

  22. BrazilBoysBlog 11 Jan 2010, 3:32pm

    The only ‘attack on creation’ is the catholic church! An attack on the creation of a more loving, compassionate, caring and equal society. orget Fred Phelps loony little church. Surely the catholic church must now be the gay communities ‘public enemy number ONE’

    This evil and corrupt sect must be beaten, battered and shamed whenever and wherever they rear their ugly heads. Headed by an evil homophobic ‘ex’ nazi loony, this unatural sect has no grasp of reality and should be challenged and exposed.

    I will (begin) to listen to the catholic church when it starts to invest some of its many billions on helping the poor of countries instead of denying condoms to already burgeoning populations… and helping the spread of HIV. I will listen to the catholic church when it begins to use it’s many many buildings to help house the poor and homeless instead of keeping them as fancy places to worship false phrophets and hand over ever more money… (this is speaking from someone who lives in Brazil with a catholic church just about on every street corner, whilst there are people living in slums).

    We must never rest in our fight against this evil cult who do so much to foster GUILTm making gay teens feel guilty about who they are.. and often suicidal. This ‘pope’ has blood on his hands, let us never forget that.

  23. Comparing the Pope to Phelps is way out of proportion. Phelps is just a human hate machine with Tourettes, but the Pope is basically a good man held back by the limits of his faith. As Christopher Hitchens says, without religion good people would continue to do good things and bad people would carry on doing bad things. But to make a good person do or say bad things, you need religion…

    Anyway, can we please stop all this calling for bans and for censorship? Our sexuality does not need to be protected by the state against sincerely held mistaken beliefs.

  24. I see the foil hat crew is out again…

    Homosexuality is a “strike at the biological basis of the difference between the sexes”? The way I see it the difference is the whole point!

  25. Simon Murphy 11 Jan 2010, 3:53pm

    No 23: Clivejw: you say: “Comparing the Pope to Phelps is way out of proportion. Phelps is just a human hate machine with Tourettes, but the Pope is basically a good man held back by the limits of his faith. ”

    The pope is FAR more dangerous and evil than Phelps in that he has far more followers and a far more negative influence on the world.

    Ratzinger is not a good man. He is a vicious, evil, stupid hatemonger.

    He is the head of aan organisation whose hierarchy colluded in and protected the perpetrator of a massive campaign of the rape of children over generations.

    Ratzinger himself encourages genocide in Africa when he tells evil, barefaced lies about condom use.

    Ratzinger is a vicious, hateful, monstrous b@stard.

  26. He’s a TWIT

  27. What the pope does not admit (though he clearly knows) is that his very office is an attack on common logic. After all, it was the office of the pope which condemned Galileo (among other enlightened persons). He has a very deep hole to climb out of before his remarks can actually be taken seriously.

  28. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Jan 2010, 4:14pm

    Simon Murphy:

    What’s the matter with you?

    Don’t you know how much more effective you could be if you used upper case letters once in a while, e.g.

    “RATZINGER IS A VICIOUS, HATEFUL, MONSTROUS B@STARD.”

  29. Erroll Clements 11 Jan 2010, 4:25pm

    Honey us gay boys have been around for a long long long time, Alexander et al…………there’s no stopping us now, we’re getting stronger, getting more support and we’re not going away ! Try going forward in time instead of backwards for a change, you may even get in touch with the ‘REAL’ world out there !

  30. Simon Murphy 11 Jan 2010, 4:29pm

    Thanks Jean Paul. So to reiterate my earlier point:

    RATZINGER IS A VICIOUS, HATEFUL, MONSTROUS B@STARD!!!!!!

  31. For this evil pope & his ilks who claim to believe in an ‘all-knowing, almighty God’. Its just a pity that they turn around to fight or speak for their God… Is there God really alive? Is their God really almighty? ?? If so, then let this God fight for itself. But their action indicates that their belief is rather a huge farce.

  32. I’ve long since stopped listening to any ‘scientific’ announcements from Darth Ratzinger. You might as well be reading science textbooks in some comicbook bizarro world for all the sense he makes.
    He lives in a parallel universe where the earth isn’t already massively overpopulated, evil gay people ‘convert’ straight people and you catch more VD from condoms then going bareback, and that’s even before we get started on the whacky stuff he’s paid to believe.
    BTW Vincent Poffley, nicely put!

  33. OrtharRrith 11 Jan 2010, 5:00pm

    And people wonder why I’m not into religion! So what’s next? Catholic backed Trans-extermination squads, whilst labour camps filled with Gays are worked to death? Both Homosexuality and Transgenderism has been around for, well if not for-ever then at least the day after forever started, yet so far there’s in excess of 6,795,600,000 humans on the planet, with the world’s population expected to reach over 9 billion in 2040!! How the hell is that killing off the human race???
    Isn’t it nice to be an accepted part of the human race? <— added sarcasm.

  34. Well There is a good almost 5 million roman catholics in britain who cannot wait for the holy father to come here

    I myself am a catholic and I can asure you all Not all catholics share his views on gays

    The catholic faith makes it clear you shoud not actually hate anyone

    You forget the pope is old and is rather set in his ways and his views on gays do NOT reflect the views of all roman catholics

    As I am sure you are aware that countries like mexico are catholic states and they have still legalized full Gay marriage

    YET BRITAIN ONLY HAS CIVIL PARTNERSHIPS so who is backward ???

    Britain is a mixed state mainly Anglican Protestant/Catholic/ Secular and ethnic

    Free speach must be allowed everyone has a right to an opinion as long as it doesn`t go too far and incite hatred

    I support gay rights and freedom and I am against all forms of homophobia yet I am still a cathoilc and there are many more like myself

    So think before you tar us all with the same brush next time

  35. Simon Murphy 11 Jan 2010, 5:33pm

    Anthony – I do not tar all catholics with the same brush. Catholics with a conscience however should not fund the vicious, evil Ratzinger regime.

    Not all catholics are bigots. Just as not all catholic priests are child rapists. But the hierarchy of the catholic church is rotten to the core – for generations they demanded the poorest parts of society funded their lavish lifestyles and they protected thousands of child rapist priests from prosecution.

    Meanwhile the most evil one of all – Josef Ratzinger is promoting genocide in Africa by telling barefaced lies about condoms.

    What are ordinary non-evil catholics doing to stop the hateful, old b@stard

  36. darkmoonman 11 Jan 2010, 5:37pm

    “So think before you tar us all with the same brush next time”

    Then, you & similarly thinking Catholics will be at the front of the groups publicly protesting the Pope’s stand on gays, yes?

  37. BrazilBoysBlog 11 Jan 2010, 6:10pm

    @35 Thanks, I could not have put it better myself. Please note that in my earlier comments I di not say ‘catholics’ but ‘catholic church’… in that respect, I stand by every word.

    @23 I did not ‘compare’ the pope to Phelps. I said FORGET Phelps, the catholic church should be our number one enemy. (because of the undue influence it has in the world. Phelps does not and is just seem as a whack-job.

  38. Pumpkin Pie 11 Jan 2010, 6:42pm

    Then, you & similarly thinking Catholics will be at the front of the groups publicly protesting the Pope’s stand on gays, yes?

    Why do people always do this? “I think you’re all the same, so you have to go out of your way to prove me wrong!” I’m an atheist and I won’t be going to any anti-Pope protest unless it’s in a conveniently local area, which is unlikely. Unless you’re going to publicly protest, too, you really shouldn’t say such things. It would be nice if LGBT-friendly catholics protested the Pope’s visit, just like it would be nice for ANY LGBT-friendly groups to protest. Just because they’re catholic doesn’t mean they have a bigger duty to protest than anyone else.

  39. Its comments like the Pope made in this case, which explains a lot behind the crap church membership numbers these days. Their church’s hierarchy are behind the times and constantly falling ever further behind, so they are becoming more & more out of touch with real people and reality itself. Good. About time they didn’t have so much power. They are far more concerned with this power they have in the world than they are when it comes to doing any good whatsoever.

  40. I for one have every intention of “tarring” Anthony, gay catholic and therefore fundamentally a hypocrite, with the brush that he deserves. There are plenty of Christian sects out there which are not institutionally homophobic like the Papists; which do not have backward bigotry hardwired into their basic professions of faith (has Anthony actually read what the catechism of the church says about monogamous gay sex??). He and other gay Catholics, who choose to put their religious beliefs, not just in Christianity but in one specific backward and hateful sect and presumably support it by regular attendance at their services, are total hypocrites – traitors to the gay cause.

    And Anthony’s sycophantic reference to looking forward to welcoming the “holy father” indicates that he has respect for this evil bigot. I despair of gay rights if the cause has people like Anthony to support it!

  41. Well if the Pope is a master of logic (Cyril’s post)he might care to ponder on Spain and Portugal making gay marriage legal. Might he, for example, ask himself if there is any connection between the fact that both Spain and Portugal suffered under dictatorships and that under both those dictatorships the Catholic Church were very strongly alligned with them and tacitly supported them. His holiness might then ponder as to why these wonderful deomocracies might now choose to ignore the Catholic Church telling them how to run their countries given their past silence on standing up to the dictators. Something about you reap what you sow?

  42. Bishop Ioan 11 Jan 2010, 7:20pm

    This man just gets more and more reprehensible each time he opens his mouth. Any civilised country ought to disinvite him or if they haven’t invited him, maintain that policy permanently.

  43. Interesting point, John F. I also have to agree with Abi, way, way, way, back in this discussion. The Human race is not in any danger of dying out. This planet is overpopulated. But I’m not sure he’s actually worried that too many people are having sex without having children – and that includes straights with condoms as well as gays, of course. He just doesn’t want ANY of us making our own decisions about who we love or how we love them.

  44. I call the pope an attack on any and all common sense

  45. Comment by Harry — January 11, 2010 Refering to your comment

    Your comments Harry prove how un educated you are when it comes to the field of christian views on homosexuality

    You make out that its just the catholic church with these bias views but YOU ARE WRONG

    Take a look at the majority of christain denominations Evangellicals for instance their views on gay people is much worse than roman catholics more than half of evangellical christians are against any rights for gay people yet over 40 percent of roman catholics supported marriage and rights for gay people in a poll done late last year

    Don`t come and try pin all the blame on us catholics Take a look at the muslim faith they still practice the death penalty in many muslim states for gays

    As I repeat One last time I DO NOT SUPPORT VIEWS OF THE POPE ON GAY ISSUES!

    Yes I am a proud catholic why shouldn`t I be its my right I have rights too

    To class me as an homophobe is totally crazy just because I am a catholic and I am sorry but I find your comments very offensive

    I have a gay cousin and I give him my total support I am firmly against homophobia in all forms I know how gay people suffer

    The pope is head of our church he leads the oldest and largest church in the world that doesn`t mean we support all of his views

  46. Dave North 11 Jan 2010, 8:20pm

    “The pope is head of our church he leads the oldest and largest church in the world that doesn`t mean we support all of his views”

    But isn’t part of the Catholic doctrine that this basket case is Gods’ representative on Earth and infallible……

  47. ignore him.

  48. I fear we shouldn’t be to hard on Paparatzi (love to see him in a Lady Gaga vid, by the way). Consider the following quote:

    “It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man.”

    Those are the words of Ratzinger’s beloved predecessor, writing in his last book on the notion of gay marriage. JP II was equally homophobic, reactionary and deluded – not that any of that stopped the outpouring of mass blubbing and arse-slavering obsequiousness when he kicked the papal bucket. Both he and the current incumbent lead the institution that created them, and it’s the institution that’s the problem, so it’s hardly surprising if they parrot its ancient nostrums.

    The real ‘ideology of evil’ is the one that says that only men can minister to the flock, and if they do so, then they must live in denial of their humanity and sexuality (whatever it is), such that substantial numbers of them end up sexually abusing children.

    I’ve got some sympathy for the catholics who’ve posted here to the effect that ‘we’re not all like that, some of us are gay, some of us are quite nice’. But not a lot. The Catholic Church is an enormously powerful institution whose foundations, throughout its history, have been built in poverty, ignorance, and fear. Not very nice, really.

  49. I hope that we can get Cardinal Rattenfänger’s visit to Britain cancelled. We do not want this protector of paedophiles preaching his hate messages here.

  50. With 6 billion plus people in the world why would anybody state a concern that sanctioning gay relationships will endanger the existence of the human race? If anything, we face overpopulation.

  51. Dave North 11 Jan 2010, 9:19pm

    This is a speech by Carl Sagan, when in receipt of the first images of earth from 4 billion miles way by Voyager I.

    I think it sums RattyNazi and his ilk up.

    “That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
    The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors, so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
    Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.”

    Perhaps this old fool should read it and recant his viscious tripe.

  52. Wait a minute! QUOTE the Pope, please. You paraphrase two old speeches, noether of which had anything to do with gay people. But you say NOTHING about what was said (or supposedly said).

    Don’t repeat the old canard about the 2008 message. That one had NOTHING to do with gay and lesbian people, and was taken completely out of context.

    I don’t get it.

    SOme honest reporting, please.

  53. OMG!!! JP!!!! That’s a spray tan? I was hoping for advanced liver disease……

  54. Whoah, you guys are really irresponsible. I have dug up the entire text of the Holy Father’s speech. Not one mention of gay and lesbian people. Not even a message about marriage.

    And the only two messages about an “attack” on anything are mentions that war and abortion are attacks on human life.

    Jessica, please go to the following link, and re-submit your story.

    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/2003/january/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20030113_diplomatic-corps_en.html

  55. Okay,. now I’m the irresponsible one. I took a Papal message from a few years ago. Here is this year’s.

    http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/EN1/Articolo.asp?c=348447

    Again, NOT A WORD about gay and lesbian people. Only this comment: “One such attack comes from laws or proposals which, in the name of fighting discrimination, strike at the biological basis of the difference between the sexes.”

    Pretty harmless.

    And a perfect reflection of what the Catechism of the Catholic Church reiterates. Relationships between same-sex coupels are holy and blessed and a means to sanctity. But they are based on Christian friendship, and mutual help, and infused with grace. They strengthen the sex of the partners. They are not “complimentary” with respect to sex. And they are NOT marriage. But that doesn’t make them any less holy.

    In other words, the Pope is against discrimination. He just believes that “marriage” is not the answer.

    Anything wrong with that?

  56. nostroanus 11 Jan 2010, 9:55pm

    Methinks he is worried that gay marriage is getting closer to his closeted vatican domain. In ten years time i bet Italy will be the last European country to legislate for gay marriage.

  57. @ Virgil: Pull your head out of your arse why don’t you. You surely must see that the Pope is indeed homophobic, don’t cherry pick speech but look at his overall message, implicit as well as explicit and you’ll see that he clearly is.

  58. #45.
    ANTHONY.

    “The pope is head of our church he leads the oldest and largest church in the world that doesn`t mean we support all of his views..”

    Do you know what you are talking about, Anthony.?

    You support all of his views when he is speaking ‘ex-cathedra’ on matters of faith and morals OR you apostasise; you ex-communicate yourself.

    It is as simple as that; it really is.
    The RC church takes no hostages, brooks no opposition, tolerates no dissent.

    Ask Rev. Father Nugent.
    Ask Rev. Mother Grammick.
    Nugent and Grammick (it might be Gramick) … if you want to
    GOOGLE it.
    Roman Catholicism is not the pik ‘n’ mix at Woolworth’s (R.I.P. Woolies by the way..miss you loads..!)

    Support your gay cousin in his homosexuality, by all means, but DO please tell him that any practising of homosexual sex, as indeed any sexual activity outside marriage is a mortal sin.

    Keith.
    Lapsed 50 years and PROUD to be so..
    SALFORD

  59. Keith I am a liberal Roman catholic I am not a conservative
    I dunno what kind of catholic upbring you had

    so why has mostly roman catholic countires made gay marriage legal if as you say all catholics are anti gay sexexplain that then

  60. What a twat.

  61. All the planets in the known Universe can make gay marriage legal; it will not make one jot of difference to Rome.

    The RCC could not give a hoot WHAT a temporal power does.
    The Reformation should show you that.

    There is no such thing as a liberal Catholic; please disabuse yourself of this fallacy.
    You can be as liberal as the Church allows no more.
    Some liberty!
    Dogs on a lead have more.

    You toe (or should that be ‘tow’..never did know) the ‘party line’ or you leave.

    Nugent and Gramick.
    Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Archbishop Roddy Wright 4 cases in point and of recent history.

    I had a very strict upbringing, as it happens, wimpled nuns, Irish Christian (strap-mad bastards) Brothers, seminary….religious vows the whole shabbang.

    The last time I went to Mass. Pius XII was in the job; the vestments were Gothic and the lot was in Latin.

    Since then there have been 5 popes and now this old queen.

    Keith.

  62. isabel there are a few twats around get used to it its a part of life love

  63. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Jan 2010, 11:04pm

    Anthony:

    How old are you? Since Vatican II has been rejected, there’s no such thing as a Liberal Catholic; you are a heretic, not a liberal catholic, just ask Hans Küng!

  64. Most Catholics do not agree with the Church on abortion and the use of prophylactics; but they troll off to Church just the same.

    They are deluding themselves and are in sin; and mortal sin at that.

    Similarly, many gay Catholics are oblivious to the fact that any sexual activity including homosexual activity, even the common-or-garden hand-job is a mortal sin.

    For the same reason as the use of condoms and the acceptance of abortion; if a gay Catholic chooses to cherry pick those bits that suit and discards the rest then he, too, is in a state of sin if he engages in homosexual activity.
    You may very well not agree with the teaching of the Church but you contravene it at your eternal peril.

    Oi!
    I have ended up doing the Archbishop of Westminster’s job..

    You see!
    How it gets ya!
    Once a Catholic…
    Hahaha…!

    K

  65. I think you`ll find different catholics have have different views Jean-Paul Bentham

    you ask many younger catholics these days infact many catholics are campaigning that the vaticans view should be changed and is out of date when it comes to homosexuals etc

    Maybe you should look up the gay catholic website called quest and do and look deeper into the matter before you start calling people heretic`s

    Besides its not for human beings to jugde others or have you forgoten that

  66. If, Anthony, you are gay (homosexual) and a Catholic then you are called by God to a life of unremitting celibacy; end of.

    You ask Benedict.

    La Porte est vraiment Etroite.(Andre Gide)

    The Gate really is… THAT narrow.

    K

  67. JP.
    We are wasting our time.

    Anthony.
    Do you think the Vatican will even begin to listen, even begin to acknowledge that there is even a letter in the post until about 2500 A.D.?

    The Vatican has seen – and seen off – more challenges than you have had Mars Bars.

    Do you think it is remotely fussed about the opinions of a few snot-nosed kids…?

    And I am lapsed 50 years, Anthony, so pls don’t accuse me of siding with them, even tho’ I am, to all intents and purposes doing the job of a Bishop very well on here at the mo.

  68. Different Catholics, do indeed have different views, Anthony.

    Martin Luther was one; Marcel LeFebvre was another…now let’s see…how much space is there left on this page…

    And what has the Vatican done with those two cases, their instigators now stinking dust…?

    Why!

    Just put them in the ‘pending’ tray for a few hundred or so more years.

    Fascism?

    Adolf, Benito and Francisco were beginners;played at it..!

    K

  69. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Jan 2010, 11:33pm

    Anthony:

    All you are saying is that younger catholics are heretics.

    As an agnostic, I am not judging; just calling a spade a spade. Don’t you know your catechism? Atheists and agnostics usually know more about religion than you think.

    Do you believe that gay marriage is an “attack on creation”, or don’t you? Are you following your leader or aren’t you? You can’t have it both ways, and ben16 knows that, the bishops know that, the clergy know that, and the person sitting next to you in your pew knows that. Try putting a condom in your collection envelop and see how liberal your pastor is.

    And never mind speaking for younger people; speak for yourself.

  70. I agree with you keith the vatican won`t change its view
    Its sad really because there are so many gay catholics out there like my cousin is

  71. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 12:02am

    Anthony:

    I was a Trappist monk! “Sad” ain’t the word.

    My partner and I will soon be celebrating our 20th Anniversary. Without him, I would have never known the real meaning of love.

  72. At the risk of boring everybody’s tits off again…

    ANTHONY.
    I was a seminarian in the late 1950′s and in a religious order to boot.

    I happened to tell the Father Superior that I thought I was “homosexually inclined”..

    I was 19.

    I would have been better received had I said that World War III had just started.

    I told this to the priest on the Monday.
    I was in simple vows.

    By the Friday, I had been dispensed from said vows of poverty, chastity and obedience and told to leave with the advice that I consult a medical professional who, with the aid of a few wires and the flick of a switch, would assist me in ridding myself of this “terrble illness, which afflicts, sadly, some men”.

    I was then handed the name and address of a doctor and boomp… out the door.

    I went home on the Saturday and on the Sunday, my world in turmoil, went to Mass, hoping to pray my way out of this nightmare.

    Halfway thro’ the Mass, and I do not know what came over me, I suddenly stood up and walked out of the church building and walked out on the RCC.

    All my religious upbringing, altar serving since a child, endless rosaries, huge collection of holy-cards, holy-water from Lourdes, Knock, Walsingham…..all the bit, all that the Irish Christian Brothers had taught me, all that the Holy Child Jesus nuns had instilled in me….in the bin the very next day, in shreds.

    I have never been in a church since; that was 1957.

    I did not fancy electric wires around my head, ta!

    Balls to the lot of them.

    And why this pope is so het up about it, beats me because he is as camp as Christmas; he berates others about what he knows to be pretty damned fine, alive and kicking AND in himself.

    Wilkommen bei Jozef und Georg….!

    K

  73. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 12:38am

    Anthony:

    If you are genuinely concerned about your cousin, tell him to visit PinkNews. If you are your cousin, say so. You are safe here.

  74. The Pope should be sued by The United Nations, the World Health Organization and IGLYO all together. If it were about black people he was talking about, everyone was already against it.

  75. Yep.
    If you are your cousin, say so, as JP remarks.
    And also if you are RealityCheck or Tigalpilath-whatever or MonkeyChops…

    Well, never mind.
    K.

  76. Does anyone remember the Cardinal Archbishop of Austria of the 1930′s and 1940′s – Cardinal Innitzer? He was called the “Heil Hitler Cardinal” because of his outspoken support for Hitler and the Nazis.He was reviled after the war.
    If anyone had proposed the election of Cardinal Ratzinger of Bavaria in the 1950′s or 1960′s with his provenance of being brought up during the Nazi era in the household of a senior police officer in the German State of Bavaria – the premiere Nazi state – there would have been outrage across Europe and the UK.
    Membership of the Hitlerjugend which was NOT, contrary to Vatican propaganda, at all compulsory – indeed you and your family had to show allegiance to the Fuehrer and the Nazi Party’s ideals to gain admittance – would have told people then what it screams at them today that this man is a “dyed in the wool” Nazi.

    His election to the Papal Throne simply shows the intellectual squalor of the Roman Catholic church in its determination to control its adherents.Obedience is everything even to a resurgent Nazi creed.

    Ratzinger is a bad man and under his control the Roman Catholic church is a force for evil.

  77. Keith

    I am so sorry to here how you were treated all those years ago

    i admitt the vatican has got it wrong on the issue of gay people

    Nobody deserves to be treated like that

    Homosexuality is NOT a choice Its not an illness it cannot be changed by shock treatment or medication or by punishment methods

    My cousin is in his 30s like myself he is catholic and he is gay but he has remained celibate

    But I feel he his being supressed and not being allowed to express his true feelings for fear of being turned away or outcasted

    Nothing gives any bishop or pope or priest thr right to judge people and decide what happens its down to GOD himself but somehow the pope thinks he his Actually God for some reason

  78. How will the recognition of queer people be “the end of the human race”? Queer people have children too and the het’s are not going to defect overnight. Get real.
    Good luck with protesting him in the UK. In Australia, there was a complete media blackout on protests and no mention of the 2 hour delay for his flight to leave because of the thousands who turned out to protest he and his views.

  79. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 2:05am

    What makes you think he’s gay?

  80. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 2:09am

    Do you believe that gay marriage is an “attack on creation”, or don’t you?

  81. Everytime this old german opens his mouth, it is another nail in the coffin for his antiquated organisation! Keep commenting ILL PAPA!!!!!!

  82. Vo Dong Cung 12 Jan 2010, 2:28am

    When using condom, there are not people who died by AIDS, there are not unborn child to be kill by aborntion. Benedict forces people to have unwanted unborn child, force people to get HIV/ADIS. He is the first one in the row of killing prosess. He committed killing human, adults and unborn children.

  83. Vo Dong Cung 12 Jan 2010, 2:31am

    correction: HIV/AIDS, process.

  84. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 8:41am

    “Speaking just after Portugal’s parliament voted to legalise same-sex marriage, the pontiff addressed the comments to the Vatican diplomatic corps in a message which focused on environmental issues.”

    The implication is clear enough and quite traditional: climate change is a punishment from god because I’m gay. It’s all my fault. Boo-hoo, I feel so guilty and ashamed of myself…not.

  85. # 77

    ANTHONY

    Well thanks for that, at least.

    Over the years, I have thought to myself, have asked myself, “if they have got that wrong and got Galileo wrong, then what else have they got wrong?”
    And on that basis, I dumped all religion half a century ago, not just mine.

    I will pray for myself to the One who made me; the One who knows my coming in and going out and take my chances and keep my collection pennies.
    I don’t need priests, and the Pope is only that, a priest, albeit dressed up more elaborately; all pure theatre; all meaningless.

    I don’t need vicars, rabbis, mullahs; they should be busy doing the same, praying to the One who made them.
    I sin; they sin; pray for yourself; I will do my own praying for me.

    Your cousin has remained celibate.
    In so doing he is treading the path set out for him by the Church and is following Christ along the same course to the summit of Calvary since no sexual activity is permitted outside marrriage.

    That said, how can a man – your cousin- who is incapable -as indeed I am incapable- of climbing into bed with a woman, how can he have had this millstone hung around his neck, by his Creator…at birth.?

    At birth, has the Creator said to your cousin and to me and millions of others…

    “Right; you are going to be homosexual and since I have ordained (ask my Pope) that there is to be no sex outside marriage, then that includes you and I hereby deny you that pleasure, for the rest of your life. I have created the desire for sexual expression a very strong desire but I tell you this, fall once and I shall have you; climb into bed with another man and you are done; touch your tinky once except to shake the drops off after a wee-wee and you’ll be a companion to Lucifer. Now off you go and don’t forget to cart your millstone with you..”

    That is what the Church is telling you.

    I cannot believe in so sadistic a Creator, Who creates this strong desire and then immediately imposes enormous restrictions and the most dire of penalties for transgressing those restrictions; that is sadism and then some….and has to have been thought up by another man….men….a church down the centuries.

    Those restrictions, I suggest, are man-made; man-made by other men who know full well the human condition; know what little boys do; know how to impart guilt; know how to get rid of guilt and ascribe to themselves the remedies for the removal of that guilt, with the gullible beating a path to church doors, there to drop their coppers onto a plate….for yet another spire, yet another set of gold and lace vestments….keeping yet another buch of parasites from another honest day’s graft.

    YOU CONTINUE, ANTHONY:-

    ” But I feel he his being supressed and not being allowed to express his true feelings for fear of being turned away or outcasted.
    Nothing gives any bishop or pope or priest thr right to judge people and decide what happens its down to GOD himself but somehow the pope thinks he his Actually God for some reason..”

    You are right; he is being suppressed.

    Christ suffered and that is the way that you/ your cousin/me will attain eternal bliss; that is your cross, my cross, every homosexual person’s cross.
    You will attain eternal bliss by carting this millstone around and not falling once.

    The expression of his feelings is irrelevant to the Church.
    The Church just says, “You have your cross? Then carry it.!”

    And you are right again when you say, that “nothing gives any bishop or pope the right to judge….”

    But they DO HAVE the right.

    They gave it to themselves or rather say that Jesus gave it to them, “Thou art Peter….and upon this rock, I will build my church…whose sins you forgive, are forgiven; whose sins you retain, are retained.

    Total power direct from the Saviour’s lips.
    Or so they would have you believe.

    Not me.
    Open to too much self-serving abuse is that.

    You only have to look at politicians to know what nonsense it is and clerics are only politicians in pantomime costumes, pointy hats and all.

    Nonsense the lot of it. ..

    God made me, not Father O’Fudgepiece; I will tell Him of my inadequacies if I need to… but do I need to?
    No, I do not.

    He already knows.

    K

  86. In this world there are wars, famines, rapes, murders, abuse of the most inhumane kind (alot by Catholic priests), children being forced to take arms and fight to the death, corruption, poverty, greed, torture…

    And all this man can do is pick on is the LOVE of two people? Really?

  87. Don’t get me wrong..
    You have to hand it to the RCC.
    What a brilliant business model.

    Create the product or the disease – according to how you look at it…guilt …and then dispense the pill, the quencher… absolution, from a cornered market.

    That is why the Anglican Church is doomed to fail eventually.
    What is there to go to their churches FOR…?
    You can do what you do in an Anglican church in the comfort of your own front room; buy yourself a keyboard and you’re away.!

    There is no guilt in the Anglican communion; that is why they are busy tearing themselves to bits about the rights of this group and that group; desperately trying to keep bums on pews.
    The RCC is much more savvy than that.
    It has a grip on the whole situation.
    It just keeps feeding guilt, guilt and more guilt.
    Keeps the punters coming, week after week.

    You have to GO to a Catholic church to get rid of your guilt, via Fr. O’ Clodhopper and the point is that on the way IN or OUT or BOTH you will most likely DROP A PENNY IN THE BOX.

    That is the point of the whole exercise.

    The penny in the box times umpteen millions down the centuries; some business, that..!

    The answer as always to be found in the till at the end of the day’s labours.
    Good luck to them.

    But not from Ishy.

    K

  88. A sadly misguided man who has no idea of what he is talking about – to be ignored – this also means cancelling all visits to other countries.

  89. My cousin, who is the same age as I am, has an ingrown toenail, but I fear it will get worse.

    My neighbor’s window is slightly open; I fear it will get cold in the house.

    I spend so much of my time worrying about other people’s problems because I don’t have any problems of my own, except that I’m perfect and people refuse to acknowledge it.

    Can you help me to disrupt this thread further with this monkey business, please?

  90. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 11:00am

    No 65: Anthony: you say: “you ask many younger catholics these days infact many catholics are campaigning that the vaticans view should be changed and is out of date when it comes to homosexuals etc”

    And what successes have they had?

    Is contraception, divorce, abortion, masturbation now permitted. Are women allowed be priests. Do priests still have to remain celibate (to protect church property – which was the reason for the rule in the 1st place).

    Catholics campaigning to modernise their church are utterly ineffectual.

    The only way to protest effectively is to stop funding the evil doctrines of Ratzinger.

    This actually is having an effect. In Spain for example the average age of a catholic priest is now 65. In Ireland the average age of a catholic priest is 64. Before too long there will be none left.

  91. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 11:09am

    No 77: Anthony: “My cousin is in his 30s like myself he is catholic and he is gay but he has remained celibate”

    What an incredibly sad story. So his religion has denied him the ability to know true intimacy and love.

    That is such an appallingly sad story.

    What country does he live in?

    Most catholics I know use contraception and have sex outside marriage (be they gay or straight). Many are divorced. Some have had abortions. All of them have masturbated without any feeling of guilt. None of them feel any need to listen to the ramblings of an 80 year old, former Hitler Youth virgin in the Vatican.

    Has your cousin seen a secular counsellor to sort out his issues. I would encourage him to do so. He will be so much happier if he can get rid of his hangups.

  92. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 11:16am

    I would just like to clarify.

    I referred to Ratzinger as a ‘virgin’ in my last post. I should have said that ‘hopefully he is a virgin’. The sexuality of catholic priests is a festering pit of denial and abuse. The generations of children raped by catholic priests (who were then protected from prosecution by the hierarchy) would lead me to hope that Ratzinger is a virgin.

    If not then we don’t know whether he too is overly fond of the kids. He’s a catholic priest. Even though the percentages may not be very high, statistically speaking catholic priests are far more likely to rape children than non-priests

  93. Mother of a gay son 12 Jan 2010, 11:17am

    I am a 60 year old mother who has a gay son and the popes comments are backward, bigoted, behind the times and just demonstrates that he is not a true catholic – he is an evil piece of s**t catholic if I ever saw one. A committed catholic such as myself (and my gay son who is also a committed catholic) supports gay marriage and I want my son to marry his partner of 21 years – but he can’t in Britain (it is just a Civil Partnership Act 2004).

  94. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 11:39am

    Simon Murphy:

    You said:

    “Catholics campaigning to modernise their church are utterly ineffectual.”

    How true…utterly, ‘à toute outrance’, on all counts, ‘a capite et calcem’, from soup to nuts, flat out, through and through, every inch, every whit, every bit…

    Pope John XXIII’s valiant efforts to modernize (modernise) the RCC are safely in the rubbish pile.

    BTW, Anthony = Monkeychops = disruption; but I ain’t bitter.

  95. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 11:53am

    The trouble of course for the catholic cult is that its refusal to modernise, its complete failure to engage people in the rich parts of the world; the aging priests means that it is being sidelined as an anachronism.

    I said earlier that in Spain the average age of a priest is 65. Not only that but because of lack of priests, each priest has to look after about 5 parishes.

    This means that in about 25 years it will only be in certain areas where the church can even function. This is being repeated in all western catholic churches. They can of course import catholic priests from Africa (where the cult is growing) but I cannot see the church ever being majorly important again.

    And when you look at how the cult utterly abused the trust of its congregation by tolerating and facilitating the rape of children by the clergy it’s safe to say that its days are numbered.

  96. Of course the biggest danger is that while the decline in Christianity continues the increase in Islam is left wide open resulting in all our gay and human rights being removed. Sometimes its better the devil you know!

  97. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 12:25pm

    Simon Murphy:

    I don’t know where you’re getting your insights, but they are spot on:

    “…lack of priests, each priest has to look after about 5 parishes.”

    Here’s a practical example from my neck of the woods, photo of a typical weekly Mass, tum-tee-dum-tee-dum, lights are all on, where is everybody?:

    http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/912379&p=1

    But still not practical enough; what will happen if and when – it’s only a question of time – the Department of Health inspects these old neglected buildings (neglected because ‘only spiritual realities count’) and find – GASP – black mole in the basements, in the children’s catechism classes, the washrooms, the meeting rooms. They say a spray of Javex just before the Inspector arrives will camouflage the mole, but will it solve the problem???

    Catholics would be better off meeting in some “warm” private home. Too bad their granite buildings are useless real estate and the paint is chipping off the statues.

    C’est la vie, eh ben16. What shape is the Vatican in? Leaks in the roofs? Really?? Talk about an “attack on creation”.

  98. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 1:24pm

    Neglected churches are eyesores. If the churches cannot maintain them then they need either to be ripped down or purchased (on the very cheap) by the state and declared national heritage sites and turned into museums.

    Converted churches are also very effective concert halls because of the acoustics.

    Personally I’m quite fond of church buildings.

    It’s the church doctrine I have a problem with.

  99. So His Nastyness the Arch Homophobe of Rome is at it again; with all the woes and troubles in the world why can’t he get off his hobby horse and concentrate on the worlds poor and needy; oh I forgot, he wants them to breed, suffer and die of diseases because condoms are evil…..!

  100. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 2:31pm

    What government has the means and the backing of the taxpayers to transform impracticable buildings (of any religion) into concert halls? “We have concert halls, thank you. And we have a budget.”

    The problem with church buildings is that they were built to reflect the glory of god without regard for the geographical co-ordinates. It’s one thing to build a church with a 60-foot ceiling in a warm Mediterranean climate; another to build one in the north temperate zone where it gets mighty cold in the winter. The heat in these buildings rises to the ceiling while the aging faithful freeze in the pews, and acoustics don’t cure hemorrhoids caused by sitting on a cold, hard surface.

    It’s like trying to heat a barn with a match, and the price of fuel has quadrupled while seniors are on fixed incomes. Instead of paying an arm and a leg to keep these “barns” warm all day for a 15-minute prayer meeting in the morning, small groups of faithful should be meeting in a warm and friendly private home, like in the Acts of the Apostles.

    A case in point: the other day I was at the library when Emile, a well-known octogenarian walked in. Someone said: Emile, I haven’t seen you in church lately.

    Emile answers: Why the fvck should I go to church? God is in my living room where it’s warm and comfy, and if you want to see me in church, that’s where you’ll find me, but bring your own wine and cookies.

    Most people actually do get smarter as they get older, innit.

  101. Actually Simon, renovated churches make for excellent pubs too. And clubs. The lecterns are at the ideal angle for positioning those Pioneer CDJ decks ;-)

  102. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 3:05pm

    Great idea.

    The government should purchase these old churches at knockdown prices and then sell them to developers for renovation at much higher prices. That means that the money raised is in the public purse.

    And also there are some nice, atmospheric pubs to have drinks in; perhaps meet someone nice and go home and have gay sex with him.

    Finally something good could come from the church!

  103. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 3:25pm

    You talk as if you have never met someone nice in a church and gone home to have gay sex with him.

    As for the pubs’ idea, I did see a church converted into a discotheque in the movie “Parting Glances”. It does have a certain “je ne sais quoi”, but the heating problem remains a priority, and vurry, vurry expensive to install something more efficient. Maybe a drop ceiling, with a geothermal system and solar panels, but the play of seasonal hot and cold should never be underestimated with a granite building. Poor investment around here if you ask me. But I’m just a retired heating engineer; what do I know?

    I’m thinking parking lot, or public park, skating rink, outdoor gay wedding set-up, etc.

  104. THe best example simon, was ther Paradiso, off Leidseplein in Amsterdam, where they hold the Rapido parties :-)

    How silly to say gay marriage is an attackm on Creation. I would have thought the Origin of Species destroyed the concept of Creation much more effectively.

  105. David in Indy 13 Jan 2010, 8:12am

    He should take that crucifix he so proudly wears around his neck and shove it up his ass. If he has problems reaching back there, I’ll be more than happy to assist him.

    As a gay Catholic, I was forced to listen to this crap time and time again from the nuns at my Catholic school, as well as from the priests during Mass. This is one of the main reasons I left the church. I wonder if he realizes how incredibly painful this to hear? Or does he even care? I’ll never set foot in another Catholic church again.

    If he thinks he is “Vicor of Christ” he’d better think twice about it. Jesus Christ never advocated crap like this.

  106. Brian Burton 13 Jan 2010, 8:35am

    Ratzi is still attempting to shift the focus from the sex abuse scandle in the Irish catholic establishment and everywhere else. It’s a known fact that despots such as Ratzi the nazi always use scapegoats to shift the focus from themselves.

  107. I think we should call for a ban on the Pope’s visit. Of course the government wouldn’t dare ban him but it would be interesting to see how they differeniate the Pope from Kurt Wilders, Michael Savage and assorted Islamic hate mongers they want to ban.

  108. I just saw the Pope with his white dress cruising other men in a bathroom inside the vatican, I think he was bobbing for apples.

  109. Does anyone know when it is he’s plannig to come to the UK and where he’ll be visiting?
    Sooo gonna be there gaying it up. He needs to be shown we aren’t gonna stand for that nonsense!

  110. Re: churches as clubs
    Yes! there’s an amazing club in my home city. Used to be a church, now it’s a popular club. Good work!

  111. Robert, ex pat Brit 13 Jan 2010, 6:50pm

    This vile piece of human detritus and his cult have NO MORAL AUTHORITY to pass judgement on anything. The arrogance of this bastard is breath taking. He should be on the list of undersirables entering the UK. His loving the sinner hating the sin (intrinsically evil homosexual behaviour)mantra is so transparent. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity, saying that condoms don’t prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. He is nothing more than pure evil.

  112. Brian Burton 15 Jan 2010, 9:33am

    Robert dear, the vitreol of your words is burning a hole on Pink News!!

  113. Robert is right Brian

  114. Simon Murphy 15 Jan 2010, 8:02pm

    The catholic church built the best churches (and why wouldn’t they – they have more money than ‘god’ – no matter how poor the neighbourhoods they operated in, they were always the rich). Old catholic churches make the best renovated pubs and clubs. They are still places of congregation once renovated, but it’s a good type of congregation.

  115. Simon Murphy 15 Jan 2010, 8:05pm

    Did anyone see the Sarah Silverman piece on Youtube where she was advocating her idea for an end to world poverty.

    Her idea was simple – sell the Vatican.

    If Ratzi was to sell all the priceless treasures in the Vatican and donate it to poor nations then there would certainly be enough finance to make a serious impact on poverty.

    The priests and bishops could continue there work from a block of council flats in suburban Rome. Everyone would be a winner.

  116. Jean-Paul Bentham 16 Jan 2010, 10:58am

    The notion that world poverty could be solved by a redistribution of wealth has been around for thousands of years.

    Human greed works against such justice because one person’s gain represents another person’s loss, and there appears to be no end to persons who want just a wee bit more than another.

    Another approach to solve poverty is through education which in fact does cost a great deal of money.

  117. Paticia Patteson 16 Jan 2010, 1:16pm

    When the world is rid of Catholic priests and this nut case in the Vatican, it will be all for the best. The pope is, after all, just a sadly misguided, hateful man.

  118. Mr. Benedict whatever the number is, I believe you and the vatican are an “attack on Creation”, you and your congregation wear dresses, fancy jewelery, love red shoes with rhine stones, and wear red hats like the red hat women association, the Vatican and the catholic church are plagged with homosexuals and pedofiles, you pedofiles abused children sexually and the Vatican did nothing, you have killed many inocents people in the name of Christ… and you have the guts to say gay marriages are an attack on creation?…you and the Vatican are an attack to creation, and the world will do better without you…The world will be better if the Vatican is sold to feed the world and to help the poor countries you brain wash with you religious hate and stupidity!!!!

  119. mauro meloni 16 Jan 2010, 4:39pm

    Benedettooooooooooo,hai fatto fallire la chiesa con le tue stronzate,per questo ti ringrazio,ma é anche ora che ti levi di torno.Interessano solo i poveri papisti le sciocchezze che spari e loro sono sempre di meno.Dovrebbe esistere un organismo internazionale che sanzionasse il Vaticano quando fa esternazioni simili!

  120. THANKS MAURO #119

    “Benediiiiiiiiiiiiict…!
    You have brought the Church to its knees with your nonsensical pronouncements.

    For that, you are to be congratulated but it is surely time now for you to go.

    The only ones listening to the utter rubbish you spout are the ‘faithful’…and they are ever-dwindling in number.

    May the day soon come when there exits an international organization which will forbid the Vatican from expressing your foolish opinions.”

    Mauro.
    May I be so presumptuous as to offer this wee translation?
    I knew them years spent ‘seminarianing’ … mis-spendin’ me yoof… would come in handy some time.!

    Keith.
    SALFORD

  121. Jean-Paul Bentham 17 Jan 2010, 12:12am

    i think I agree with mauro meloni if he is saying that the pope’s teachings against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights should be kept in check by an international organization concerned with equal civil rights for everyone.

  122. It’ll never happen JP.
    Too many vested interests in maintaining the s.q.
    (Ex- Fr.) Daniel HELMINIAK 1-10 on YOUTUBE, as you so rightly pointed out to me sometime ago, says it all, really.
    Keith.
    SALFORD

  123. Justin Hafey 17 Jan 2010, 9:15am

    Anthony,

    “Well There is a good almost 5 million roman catholics in britain who cannot wait for the holy father to come here

    I myself am a catholic and I can asure you all Not all catholics share his views on gays

    The catholic faith makes it clear you shoud not actually hate anyone

    You forget the pope is old and is rather set in his ways and his views on gays do NOT reflect the views of all roman catholics

    As I am sure you are aware that countries like mexico are catholic states and they have still legalized full Gay marriage

    YET BRITAIN ONLY HAS CIVIL PARTNERSHIPS so who is backward ???

    Britain is a mixed state mainly Anglican Protestant/Catholic/ Secular and ethnic

    Free speach must be allowed everyone has a right to an opinion as long as it doesn`t go too far and incite hatred

    I support gay rights and freedom and I am against all forms of homophobia yet I am still a cathoilc and there are many more like myself

    So think before you tar us all with the same brush next time”

    By supporting this faith, you are supporting the hate it speaks, do the world a favour, reject the false faith and Evil arseholes like Ratzinger and his Cardinal will have nowhere to go. It’s people like you that are giving them air!!!!!

  124. just been reading about what the pope said about gay people,I mam a catholic and i also believe in free speech and a free democracy where people can act the way they want without breaking the law,and i dont mean the 10 commandments.we are all different in our beliefs which means that they can be acted on.The gay movement is strong in britain and hopefully get stronger.but im also a crossdresser and worry about how we will be treated

  125. Jean-Paul Bentham 17 Jan 2010, 4:45pm

    ben16, meet Pat Robertson; Pat, meet Ratzinger. ($$$$$$$$$$$$..ding!)

  126. I myself used to be a catholic, when I came out and began to realise the abhorrant truths about the pope and the catholic institution I could no longer allow myself to be even associated with such a vile sect, i dont understand how anybody can continue to support an organisation that has commited so many acts of evil in its time and still continues to do so. The way i see it is if I had to continued to be a catholic my hands would be dripping with just as much blood as the evil ratzinger because after all the only reason he weilds so much power is because he has followers who identify hemselves as catholic. The whole concept of a liberal catholic is like saying black is white. If you where to ask the pope on his opinion of such he would probably condem you to the gates of hell along with the rest of us, the popes word is that of God how dare anybody have the audacity to question….please

  127. Robert, ex pat Brit 18 Jan 2010, 7:14pm

    So the arch homophobe in Prada claims that gay marriage is an attack on creation? Hmmmmmmmm, a bit rich from a hypocrite and bigot who doesn’t even allow his clergy to marry, probably one of the most unnatural ways to live. This cult has NO MORAL AUTHORITY to make absurd judgments given its disgusting history of paedophilia for the last millenium.

    Justin Hafey, I was once a cathlolic but now an atheist. You make a very good point when you said that Britain only has civil partnerships while three catholic countries, Belgium, Spain and Portugal have full marriage rights for gay people, not to mention Mexico City. Point taken. About time that changed in the UK. Lets see how really committed David Cameron is to equality by introducing a bill to do just that, go one better than Labour. Then we’ll know how genuine he is. Don’t hold your breath though.

  128. Enema of the State 18 Jan 2010, 9:28pm

    Thank phewk for Darwin.

    Methinks the Nazis were a bigger murderer of humanity than a bunch of gay folks.

    And who’s he trying to kid about the deterioration of the human race? It needs bloody well culling, it’s already out of control!

    What a stupid tart he is.

  129. I’ll take a sweet gay marriage any,any day! In fact give me a million of those loving, caring gay marriages, rather than letting one child, even ONE CHILD be cruelly abused by an evil Catholic priest.

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