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  1. John Nicholas 11 Jan 2010, 3:45pm

    This is not surprising considering what a hateful, intolerant, backward belief system the cult of islam actually is.

    Christianity may be a stupid, bigotted belief system but at least that cult is almost dead.

  2. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Jan 2010, 4:44pm

    Human rights will prevail and will change the face of the world. Religion, like Egyptology, will become an interesting historical item while humanity confronts real problems, e.g. ecology.

    Congratulations Albert Kennedy Trust, and to young Muslim gays who take advantage of their option to get the hell out of the house.

  3. @ john 1
    ‘hateful, intolerant, backward belief system the cult of islam actually is.’… a bit harsh dont u think

    you could say same about Christian belive system in Africa which unlike its european cusin is doing very well and slowly on its way here to replace ‘boring’ CoE

  4. Thankfully more Muslims are ready to stand up against the medieval cultural and religious beliefs of their bigoted families.

  5. Mihangel apYrs 11 Jan 2010, 9:53pm

    Please support the AKT financially if possible. It looks after OUR children whose parents hate them

  6. John Nicholas: the problem with “that cult” being “almost dead” is that it leaves a gap wide open for Islam to come in and take over. Sharia law will follow and bang goes all our gay and human rights.

    As ironic the comment is, isn’t it a case of better the devil you know?

  7. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Jan 2010, 10:51am

    Regardless of how we ourselves ignore it’s importance, The Universal Declaration of human Rights has now been entrenched in the future of all civilizations, and equal civil rights will win out in the end thanks to organizations like the AKT.

  8. Jennifer Hynes 12 Jan 2010, 11:08am

    @John Nicholas: what a terrible thing to say. Islam is nothing like you describe, some cultural practices may be, but Islam most certainly is not. Take some time out and read the Qu’ran, and the Bible. You obviously have no understanding about something you choose to hate.

    This article is about gay Muslims; MUSLIMS. They are gay AND faithful to Islam. What is so difficult for non-believers to understand about this?

    It is a terrible indictment of our society, our very culture it seems, that we have to use hate speech in order to make a point about a blathering generalisation, that bears no resemblance to the facts.

    Mr Nicholas, unless you try and understand these issues properly, you run the risk of sounding just like the preachers of hate that claim adherence to our world’s great faiths. Many of whose adherents are LGBT people, who suffer for their orientation or gender, and yet hold fast to the faith that gives them comfort and strength in the face of terror and adversity, and many of whom you are insulting.

    Religion is not the problem, nor are religious people the problem, it is the interpretation of religion by some people that is the problem.

  9. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 11:28am

    No 8: Jennifer:

    “Islam is nothing like you describe, some cultural practices may be, but Islam most certainly is not. Take some time out and read the Qu’ran, and the Bible. You obviously have no understanding about something you choose to hate.”

    Jennifer – Islam is a freely chosen, voluntary belief system.

    I personally have no intention of ever reading the Qu’ran of the Bible except as what they are – very ancient works of fiction that lazy people believe to tbe the word of ‘god’

    Islam like christianity or judaism was invented to give meaning to the lives of desert dwelling, middle-eastern, uneducated, illterate peasants thousands of years ago.

    We live in the 21st Century. There is no reason to buy into all that ‘god’ garbage. If people find it gives comfort or meaning to their lives then good for them.

    But if people use religion as an excuse to kill or ostracise or discriminate against someone who doesn’t fit their religious or cultural standards, then the religion needs to be condemned for what it is – ignorant, stupid, hateful and backward.

    This story is about how muslim families are using islam to punish their gay children. These families are ignorant, stupid, bigots and their religion is a foul, festering, immoral, wretched set of beliefs.

  10. Simon, you said, “We live in the 21st Century. There is no reason to buy into all that ‘god’ garbage. If people find it gives comfort or meaning to their lives then good for them.
    But if people use religion …to discriminate against someone who doesn’t fit their religious or cultural standards, then the religion needs to be condemned for what it is – ignorant, stupid, hateful and backward.”

    My comment: Simon, you bring up a complex topic about discrimination and religion – one that’s loaded with heavy issues – and that’s why when you say, “all that ‘god’ garbage, you’re not being fair to all the positive principles that are inherent in the Bible that makes man “civilized” and lets society progress morally.

    But too many people automatically look at the Bible with prejudice and can’t examine its teachings without preconceived ideas and desires. Common sense must be used as in understanding any other complex writing – be it religious, philosophical, social, psychological, etc.

    Regarding the Bible, it would be impossible to list every conceivable sin, but it’s fair to say that once one becomes aquatinted with the principles of the Bible sin becomes very apparent. Consider Paul’s instruction in Galatians Gal. 5:19-21

    Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
    envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    If you give it proper thought, you’ll notice “and things like these” and “such things,” – this makes it apparent that you have “God-given common sense” to be able to determine what is right and what is wrong, what is sinful and what is acceptable to God.

    So just because some “religious-thinking” people say things, you should look beyond that and look at the “bigger picture” of all the good principles/qualities that the Bible gives to mankind.

  11. Simon Murphy 12 Jan 2010, 2:37pm

    Hank – I look at the bible for what it is – a work of fiction.

    The bible was written by many hundreds of contributors over many years and was only edited into the christian version we know today about 1000 years ago.

    Did you know that there were originally 16 gospels – including the Gospel of Judas? But that was edited out when the current version was compiled.

    When you speak about the ‘good’ of the bible – you could just as easily speak about the ‘good’ in a Jackie Collins book. Neither is the word of ‘god’. Both are the words of human writers.

    Like I said people are free to believe whatever they like. But when they use their belief in a ‘god’ I don’t believe exists to discriminate against others then they need to be condemned for the moronic bigots that they are.

    We live in a secular state – no religion can be allowed to poison the freedoms granted to us by the secular state.

    Muslims who use the Qu’ran to justify throwing their gay child out of home or forcing him into an arranged marriage are certifiably insane and they need to be stopped.

    I can’t think of a single thing offered by religion that contributes in a positive way to society that is as a direct result of that religion. If for example I wanted to help the victims of famine in Africa then I could contribute money to a catholic aid agency as they are active in this field. But then again they are evangelising and persuading people that condoms are evil. I would feel much safer giving any charity money to a secular group.

  12. Jean-Paul Bentham 13 Jan 2010, 12:07am

    Hank seems to be losing his touch. There was a time when he was so good at disrupting a thread.

    I agree with post #5:

    “Please support the AKT financially if possible. It looks after OUR children whose parents hate them.”

    You should too, Hank, and you know it.

  13. Jean-Paul Bentham 13 Jan 2010, 12:22am

    Jennifer:

    You said:

    “This article is about gay Muslims; MUSLIMS. They are gay AND faithful to Islam. What is so difficult for non-believers to understand about this?”

    That is not how I understood it. To me the article is saying that gay youngsters who are rejected by their parents because of their parents’ religious beliefs are being rescued from a life on the streets, and possibly suicide, by the Albert Kennedy Trust.

    You could be right, but I don’t recall reading that these gay youngsters are faithful to Islam, or that they want to remain in Islam for that matter.

    By the way, as a matter of curiosity, are you gay?

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