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Ethics minister says Uganda’s death penalty for gays will be ditched

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  1. Wow! That’s big of them. I’m sure the LGBT community there must be jumping with joy.

  2. Stupidity knows no barriers – General advice to all Ugandian gays – leave the country while you still have the chance. Do not delay.The forces of evil are alive and well and in Uganda. Full economic and oil santions for Uganda including restrictions on travel for all ‘people’ involoved in this hynius crime against humanity.

  3. “Killing them might not be helpful”

    That made my skin crawl. How sick can you be? Why not try to ‘rehabilitate’ people with green eyes? This whole law is shocking, inhumane and absolutely disgusting.

  4. How kind of them. Instead of killing people, they’re going to jail them for live. If I was living in Uganda, I’d feel so safe right now(!)

  5. So very very decent of the Ugandan’s not to kill LGBT people

    . . . think not

  6. Even some of the hate-mongering Xians thing they have gone too far! What would the baby Jesus say?

  7. Life imprisonment…’rehabilitation’! We don’t need fixing! Its the bigots who should be in rehab, they choose to be bigots, we don’t choose to be gay.

  8. Har Davids 24 Dec 2009, 2:28pm

    Smart people down there: “Killing them might no be helpful.” I don’t know if I would like to “helped” by the Ugandan gouvernment if I were a gay living in that benighted country. Rich’s advice sounds very sound to me, the fact that people come up with these proposals tells you some!

  9. Oh glorious! Just life imprisonment. Co-incidentally, that’s exactly the penalty I had in mind of Ugandan ministers for ethics.

  10. Daniel Wilkes 24 Dec 2009, 3:41pm

    Wow, what a positive move. From the death penalty to life imprisonment while the state tries to “rehabilitate” you.

    You know what, I think I’d rather die a martyr than be forced to have some poor Ugandan excuse for a physchiatrist- who just happens to have missed the whole removal of homosexuality from the DSM-IV and the fact that the most eminent people in his field now state unequivocably that homosexuality is an innate, immutable characteristic that is not a mental illness- try to “cure” me of an illness I don’t even have.

    I just hope that even now the issue is no longer the death penalty the international community continues to express its distaste in the strongest possible terms. This sort of treatment of LGBT people, and anyone who tries to help them, is contrary to the legally-binding International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Uganda is a signatory:

    “Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind…”

    “Article 7

    No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation.”

    “Article 9

    1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person”

    “Article 10
    1. All persons deprived of their liberty shall be treated with humanity and with respect for the inherent dignity of the human person.”

    “Article 17
    1. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation.

    2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. ”

    For those people who are to be prosecuted for helping gay people, and if you want to play some of the Ugandans at their own game and say- “Ok so if being gay is a choice…”
    “Article 18
    1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.

    2. No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice. ”

    And finally…
    “Article 26
    All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground…”

  11. Daniel Wilkes 24 Dec 2009, 3:43pm

    Damn! I meant Psychiatrist!

  12. Jean-Paul Bentham 24 Dec 2009, 4:37pm

    We haven’t heard the last of this.

    We may feel helpless; I know I do.

    But I’m giving whatever I can afford to Human Rights Watch and/or ILBHRC. Our experts are going to need money, and you know what they say: If everyone gave a penny…

  13. Hurry emigrate- and let’s hope our Home secretary grants them Asylum- but the history for the Home Office is not good

  14. Life imprisonment to rehabilitate?
    Surely keeping them with loads of sex starved scum is going to lead to rape and more anal sex?

  15. Jean-Paul Bentham 24 Dec 2009, 6:05pm

    Or…murder, one way or another.

    That would suit the Gov’t; think of the national budget!

  16. Simon Murphy 24 Dec 2009, 6:07pm

    If Uganda brings any version of this fascist law into force then I trust they will be expelled from the Commonwealth and not a penny of British taxpayer’s money sent to the evil b@st@rds in the Ugandan government.

  17. Jean-Paul Bentham 24 Dec 2009, 6:14pm

    Wouldn’t that give the Jihadists a chance to move in with their millions?

    Here’s the latest on Rwanda:

    Rwanda To Scrap Proposed Anti-Gay Law

    Posted: 23 Dec 2009 09:36 AM PST

    Rwanda’s English language daily New Times reports:

    After months of speculation, the Political Affairs Committee in the Lower Chamber of Parliament has requested fellow law makers to consider scrapping the article on homosexuality from the penal code in conformity with the International Charter on Civil rights, The New Times can exclusively reveal.

    The President of the Political Affairs committee; Bernadette Kanzaire told parliament yesterday that the United Nations AIDS (UNAIDS) council had requested the government to scrap the article pointing out that it was contrary to articles 16 and 26 of the United Nations Covenant on Civil and Political Rights that seek protection of all citizens with disregard to sex, religion and others.

    “All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law.

    Rwanda’s legislature is in the process of revising its 33-year-old penal code.

    -The Box Turtle

  18. Simon Murphy 24 Dec 2009, 10:27pm

    “Wouldn’t that give the Jihadists a chance to move in with their millions?”

    To compete with the equally extremist US evangelicals and their millions?

    Who cares?

    If the UK / EU / US stops funding the Ugandan government and place the blame squarely on the evil influence of extremist religion then the Ugandan government can take steps to expel these evil religious extremists.

  19. Please remember that many of these African leaders in their expensive suits are certainly no democrats and have gained power and money by extinguishing as many ‘Human Rights’ as is possible!

  20. Bentham, nothing I will give to your demagogic homosexuals from “human watch”. NOTHING!

  21. BrazilBoysBlog 25 Dec 2009, 11:11pm

    @Ha! Sounds like a good enough reason then, for everyone else, (decent people) to give as much as possible!

  22. jonathan Galace 26 Dec 2009, 1:47am

    Those religious freaks speak only about homosexuality!Those so called “christians”!They say it is “unatural” since 2 gay men can’t procreate but they still can adopt a poor orphan and offer it a place to live,education and happiness.This is what i call “contribution to society”
    Were did he learn about ethics??Since when is it ethical to kill someone just because he LOVES another PERSON….No matter male or female.
    Most probably his ethics come from primitive bible.Homosexual sin is mentioned only a few times in the bible but WHAT ABOUT HETEROSEXUAL SINS???He should focus more on heterosexual rape,premarital sex between heterosexuals,the use of condoms between heterosexuals which is also a sin since it does not procreate,let alone abortion,anal sex between heterosexuals even masturbation but you know why don’t say anything about that?because THEY ALL DO IT!It;s hypocrisy in all it’s glory and they try to make themselves look innocent by judging gay people.
    It it really sad that these vicious law came from a black person/s.Black people have been killed and discriminated in the past and even nowadays and he was also one of them since he’s black.He should know better how it feels but nevertheless still creates hatred and discrimination.
    So,Mister Nsaba Buturo.Life sentence belongs to criminals,murderers and rapist and that’s the number one problem in your country and hey…im sure they are all heterosexual.
    You are trully a heartless,mean person and a true abomination for humanity!!!Only a devil would make such laws.Im ashamed you are a minister of ETHICS because you have absolutely no idea what ethics means.You are destroying your country and your people and you will be expelled from the commonwealth FOR SURE!At least i’m very happy and proud THAT YOU ARE NOT THE LEADER OF A CIVILIZED COUNTRY!
    SHAME ON YOU!

  23. Roger the Cabin Boy 26 Dec 2009, 6:29am

    I assume most gays would enjoy life imprisonment, the chance to continually drop their soap in the showers would be right up their alley, in more ways than one

  24. Simon Murphy 26 Dec 2009, 1:00pm

    Hi Roger. Why are you printing replies on a gay website. Shouldn’t you be home raping your daughter (or whatever it is braindead homophobes do when they are not bashing gays?)

  25. Do you know that the Swedish govt has said that it will withdraw the £31 it gives in aid if this barbaric
    proposal becomes law but the Welsh Assembly Govt says it will still continue to provide aid?

  26. Sister Mary Clarence 26 Dec 2009, 10:26pm

    Not wanting to seem anti-Welsh, but what sort of aid does the Welsh Assembly provide anyway?

  27. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Dec 2009, 8:08am

    jonathan Galace (22):

    Welcome to PinkNews. Can you tell us something about the opposition parties in Uganda?

    The Wolfenden Report in the UK and and Canadian Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau made it clear that the State has no business in the bedrooms of the Nation. That is the issue here.

    Simon Murphy (18):

    The issue is Human Rights. Religious institutions of any kind who interfere with national politics can be identitfied and taxed, but it can’t happen overnight.

    Why haven’t we heard from the Ugandan C of E archbishop? Uganda’s RCC cardinal’s christmas message (see Box Turtle Bulletin) came as no surprise. As useless as a bull in a china shop.

    The 2006 vote in Uganda remains questionable, and there are intelligent persons in the opposition parties and in the general population.

    I suppose that it’s because I am concerned with the general population that I am seeking some other solution, but if push to comes to shove, of course I understand your point of view:

    “If the UK / EU / US stops funding the Ugandan government and place the blame squarely on the evil influence of extremist religion then the Ugandan government can take steps to expel these evil religious extremists.”

    I really wish we could hear more from members of Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG). If they are prevented from effective activism, then we should all appeal to ILGHRC or Human Rights Watch to step in at once. This has so often been your own tactic.

    Frankly, “expelling evil religious extremists” is difficult for me to visualize…in Uganda as elsewhere. It’s an educational process that can take generations.

  28. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Dec 2009, 8:30am

    Uganda’s Main Opposition Party (Uganda Peoples Congress) Comes out Against Anti-Homosexual Act:

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/24/18794

  29. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Dec 2009, 8:38am

    Uganda Peoples Congress Official Website:

    http://www.upcparty.net/

  30. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Dec 2009, 8:54am

    Brig. Gwanda opens fire at Xmas prayer in Buganda:

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/831348/-/wgnhbg/-/index.html

  31. Richard GS 27 Dec 2009, 7:36pm

    This makes me sick at heart. These people are as twisted as Hitler was w/regard to homosexuality; they’re running a government and I don’t see any (other) government stepping up and saying this has to stop. Does anyone know what causes a hatred this profound? I can’t even begin to imagine what would motivate people to behave like this.

  32. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Dec 2009, 11:08pm

    Richard GS:

    I don’t pretend to know everything, but I have been following this issue for a couple of weeks. Several governments have expressed their opposition of this bill to the Ugandan Gov’t, as has the EU, the UK and the US. The Uganda Gov’t has replied that it will not give in to foreign influence, and that homosexuality in Africa is a result of colonialism in the first place.

    Dr. Rowen Williams has not succeeded in persuading the archbishop of Uganda to come around to Canterbury’s way of thinking.

    Everyone seems to agree that such deep-seated hatred for homosexuality has been promoted by the teachings of American fundamentalists groups, notably Rick Warren and “The Family”.

    But to threaten to execute homosexuals sounds like the influence of Jihadists or the Taliban to me, e.g. Iran,Iraq.

    Homophobia has any number of causes. I prefer to concentrate on a cure, since it is mental illness.

    For the record, it makes me sick at heart too.

  33. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Dec 2009, 11:30pm

    Oh, and according to 365gay.com,

    “Nearly 40 percent of Ugandans are Anglicans, and the country has become a rallying point for Anglican conservatives angry over blessings given to gay marriages and the ordination of gay bishops, with some U.S. Episcopal denominations switching their allegiance to the Church of Uganda following the 2003 ordination of openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson.”

  34. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 3:19am

    Richard GS@31-

    This is a good place to begin an historical perspective on Uganda’s kill-gays bill.

    Rachel Maddow takes down gay-to-straight conversion Richard Cohen (p1/2/:

  35. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 3:27am

    Rachel Maddow takes down gay-to-straight conversion Richard Cohen (2/2):

  36. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 3:41am

    Rachel Maddow: Richard Cohen Cures Homosexuality by cuddling:

  37. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 4:02am

    Rachel Maddow The story behind curing gays.flv

  38. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 4:08am

    World Human Rights Day Uganda:

  39. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 4:22am

    Rachel Maddow – Rick Warren forced out of silence on Uganda:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukGbfcZqCik

    And the list goes on. Just Check Rachel Maddow on YouTube; if anyone can shed light on this issue, it’s a woman!!!

  40. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 4:39am

    Just one more to bring us back to Uganda’s Ethics Minister, James Nsaba Buturo via the “Family”:

    Rachel Maddow U.S. ties to Uganda anti-gay bill:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXE0D1vupQY

    Time for my green tea. TTFN !

  41. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 6:27am

    EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Ssempa and Bahati Discuss Uganda’s Anti-Gay Bill:

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/

    By Jim Barroway, Dec 27

  42. Christine.Rourke 28 Dec 2009, 9:12am

    “Not wanting to seem anti-Welsh, but what sort of aid does the Welsh Assembly provide anyway?” asked Sister mary Clarqanece.

    A fair amount actually, a lot of it through, or directed by, the Welsh Overseas Agencies Group (WOAG). I admit this may seem odd, given that much of Wales (especially the north) is itself pretty much Third World as regards poverty, lack of infrastructure and absence of industry. But handing out overseas aid is all part of the Weslh Assembly’s pretence that Wales is an independent nation. It makes the WA feel self-important.

    As for why the WA would not regard a little matter of the judicial murder of homosexuals as reason to cut aid, one should not be really surprised. Wales does NOT have a great history of toleration towards gay, lesbian or transsexual folk, despite the pronouncements of a few WA politians to the contrary. When I lived in London I knew a fair few young gay welshmen. Now I live in North Wales, I know NONE…. Homophopbia and Transphobia are endemic here.
    Thank god I am moving back to civilisation.

    Hugs
    chrissie

  43. Christine.Rourke 28 Dec 2009, 9:13am

    “Sister mary Clarqanece.” Opps… Typo…
    Sorry, Sister Mary Clarence…
    chrissie

  44. Sister Mary Clarence 28 Dec 2009, 12:41pm

    Cheers for that Christina. I’m sure it has the potential to cause duplication and be over administerative if multiple regions in the UK are doing this, but hey, if it makes people seem important …..

  45. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Dec 2009, 7:46pm

    Following my post 41, Ssempe intends to impose a fast on his faithful for the entire month of January before the bill is debate in Parliament in February.

    Fasting has its good points when done in moderation. On the other hand, it could kill a person who is already malnourished, and it does make the mind more susceptible to credulity; more receptive to the word of god, as “they” say.

    That the death penalty for gays will be ditched according to the Minister of justice is simply not good enough. Homosexuality needs to be decriminalized, and religion kept out of politics.

  46. When will the world realise that being GLBT is “in-born” and not a choice.

  47. Scott Kennedy 11 Jan 2010, 7:59pm

    Why aren’t the right wing, U.S. Evangelicals that prompted this over there now trying to stop it? All this in the name of Christ? What about the Gay and Lesbian Christians they will be executing or imprisoning?

  48. Scott Kennedy 11 Jan 2010, 8:00pm

    American tithes and offerings from average American church goers are funding this execution. Millions of nonprofit church aid in the form of $ flow into Uganda weekly. Think about it.

  49. Scott Kennedy 11 Jan 2010, 8:03pm

    this is the work of American churches interfering with foreign government. remember seperation of church and state? those American organizations who visited Uganda and got this rolling should loose their nonprofit status.

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