You know what, I hope the whole continent of Africa starves for its genocide of the LGBT. I will not give one penny more to aid Africa unless its for a charity that looks to help the African LGBT survivors escape the continent.
It seems one genocide is not enough for Rwanda!
The answer to this is easy. Stop all aid to African countries that try and impose this kind of law. Some may view it as inhumane, but then what is humane about criminalising a person because of their sexuality.
As a UK tax payer, and in the same way that I object to public servants using their job to discriminate against same sex couples who want to have a civil partnership, I strongly object to supporting people that, if I lived there, would treat me as a criminal.
Looks like those Rwandan morons have learned nothing from the genocide in their country 10 years ago.
Oh well – time for the aid money to the genocidal Rwanda to cease also.
These African nations are truly moronic – relying so heavily on international aid and then introducing genocidal laws and expecting the aid to continue.
F*** you Rwanda.
Except for South Africa, which happens to be open-minded towards the GLBT community, Africa is a continent on the toilet. I’m not surprised. If I was rwandan or ugandan, I would choose to pretend to be straight, save as much money as I can and emigrate. It isn’t worth it. Lack of culture leads to homophobia.
“Except for South Africa, which happens to be open-minded towards the GLBT community”
“The partially clothed body of Eudy Simelane, former star of South Africa’s acclaimed Banyana Banyana national female football squad, was found in a creek in a park in Kwa Thema, on the outskirts of Johannesburg. Simelane had been gang-raped and brutally beaten before being stabbed 25 times in the face, chest and legs. As well as being one of South Africa’s best-known female footballers, Simelane was a voracious equality rights campaigner and one of the first women to live openly as a lesbian in Kwa Thema.”
“Her brutal murder took place last April, and since then a tide of violence against lesbians in South Africa has continued to rise. Human rights campaigners say it is characterised by what they call “corrective rape” committed by men behind the guise of trying to “cure” lesbians of their sexual orientation.”
South Africa is not as tolerant as you think ND :(
Theres another charity crossed off the list…..
Hope the bar stewards get another famine…
Where oh where is the guidance from Bishop john Sentanu and Archbishop Rowan Williams in this matter? Surely they must condemn this genocide and prejudice against innocent people?
John (Derbyshire: don’t hold your breath, the archhypocrite of Cantabury woun’t say sweet FA about anything happening in Africa for fear of being called a racist, or of upsetting the evangelicals.
As far as aid goes, the govt will huff and puff, and continue to give pink money to homophobes.
The BBC have a so called debate on: Should homosexuals face execution? on its website today. the comments section is full of homophobia.
They will also be having a radio phone in on the subject!
The simple fact is staring us all in the face! These are not Nations in the same respect as ours; they are tribal societies where the answer to any political, moral or religious problem is simple…genocide! It seems any difference is to be wiped out without thought of consequence and Rwanda is one of the worst cases. They can’t blame this all on the West as Mugabee always blames the UK for his ills Even Kenya had a huge blip over its election results and they went barmy, resorting to tribal massacres and hideous murders (burning tyres around peoples necks etc). No one nation or race has the monopoly on cruelty but these African regimes are certainly in the top league when it comes to bloody murder in the 21st Century. So now they pick on Gay people; why don’t they concentrate on sorting out their real social ills, poverty, AIDs and the like and leave the Gays alone!(because that’s in the too difficlut box!)
Rwanda got £70m of your cash last year:
Given that most of Sub-Saharan Africa is a third-world hell hole ruled by endemic cruelty and corruption I can sort of understand how such a law could be passed by their tribal peasant mentality.
However, for some really eye watering examples of breath taking bigotry do have a look at the BBC debate (link in comment 9).
I am going to organise a campaign (through Pride London) to start supporting our African LGBT Brothers and Sisters – if you are interested in joining me – then please get in contact – firstname.lastname@example.org
Its the whole of the African continent that is still in the dark ages. Its also strange that all the ‘Christian registars that have kicked up a fuss about civil partnerships are African. Then we have the murderous homophobia of Jamaica. Dare I say its a black thing? I suppose I’ll be shot down and accused of racism now. I’m just pointing out the elephant in the room that people so conveniently fail to see.
Perhaps a petition should be set up on the number ten website to stop aid to these countries.
These Backward African Countries do tend to be run by Right-wing Homophobes.
Good god. You would really think these pathetic countries would have other things to worry about. I mean really why are we giving these countries anything at all.
You are quite right, J.Carter, with, of course, honourable exceptions – I speak as someone who has a number of gay black friends – a very large number of black people are terribly homophobic, whether they are Africans, African Americans or Afro-Caribbeans. Behind this is the terrible influence of the evils of fundamentalist Christianity and indeed, in Africa, Islam. By and large they are primitive peoples who are the prey of the evils of religion. It will be a very difficult process to civilise such people. Things seem to be getting worse, and behind all this, in particular, are the evils of American Christian fundamentalists who are doing their best to destroy homosexuality and anyone associated with it. It was Conrad who, at the beginning of the twentieth century, described Africa as ‘the heart of darkness’. It is rapidly becoming so again, ably abetted by a significant number of American white and black people.
Surely-in the wake of the present Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen-we should be encouraging MORE people to become homos- as that will tend to lead to a REDUCTION in the numbers living on the planet-and we all know THAT is the main reason for climate change.
The calls to stop aid to Rwanda or Uganda are about as informed and generous in spirit as homophobic legislation to be introduced in those states.
I doubt very much that cutting government aid to these societies will have any influence but rather it would be a monstrous act which hits out most likely not at the law-makers but rather the poorest people in the countries.
Just hold the politicians personally accountable for human rights violations. There is no such thing as claiming the will of the people in legislating human rights violations; the Nazis used that excuse and they were ultimately held individually responsible for violating human rights. It is the only true way to enforce human rights; otherwise many politicians would routinely violate all sorts of human rights for any number of groups.
Here Jesus refers to “eunuchs who have been so from birth.” This terminology (“born eunuchs”) was used in the ancient world to refer to homosexual men. Jesus indicates that being a “born eunuch” is a gift from God.
Einuchs had two meanings one parents would castret there children so they could serbe and guard women in high household. The other meaning is what Jesus said and they are born gay. READ THE BOOK; “THE CHILDREN ARE FREE” YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING ALTHO I DO NOT THINK SO WITH TRICIA.
four gay couples in the Bible are:
Ruth and Naomi
David and Jonathan
Daniel and Ashpenaz
A Roman centurion asked Jesus to heal his slave but it was not his slave it was his gay lover
and Jesus healed him.So why is it that God and Jesus love gays but so called Christians don’t.
You say Sodom and Gomorrah were gay, if they had been gay then why did Lot offer up his DAUGHTERS to the towns people, if they were gay he would had offered up him self.
Homophobia, racism, sectarianism
These can be found in every society in the world.
Given the right circumstances they can thrive.
We have seen this in Europe.
I grew up in Northern Ireland which was entirely white at that time apart from a small chinese community. There was a great deal of homophobia, trust me. No Africans around at all!
We cannot say that a country or a continent is inherently more or less homophobic than another.
All countries have homophobic people within them. Sometimes those people can take power and then do great damage.
It is extraordinary that the MANY gay, lesbian and transgender people who are donating, sponsoring to the Mountain Gorilla Project and visiting eco-tourism venues in Rwanda are reading that the Rwandan Government is going to criminalise homosexuality! WQill it be safe for gay people to visit Rwanda in the future? The Rwandan Government has also interferred with the formation of the Rwandan Green Party as well. It seems that Africa is being taken oiver by Christian and Muslim Religious fundamentalists!
I say this as a gay activist [someone should have the guts to say it]
F*** the whole lot of those African c**** – except for South Africa which is the ONLY decent African country that really knows how to treat gay with RESPECT!!!!
Rwanda surprise, surprise – just the diseased country that is just next to dirty and filthy Uganda!!!!
I hope all African nations stave to death, get involved in civil war, kill each other and all hopefully get HIV – then there will be no more Africa!!!!!
Perhaps then South Africa will take over all of Africa then there will be gay marriages and gay sex and finally be free of gay-hate [homophobia] all over Africa!!!!
I like South Africa – but HATE all other African countries!!!!!
Why can’t you keep your homosexual COLONIALISM to yourselves?? You have no rights to interfere in Africa– does any nation in Africa interfere in your nations?? Go back to your nations & stay out of Africa Asia & South America–colonialism is VILE
Patrick@21 – as I pointed out “No one nation or race has the monopoly on cruelty but these African regimes are certainly in the top league when it comes to bloody murder in the 21st Century.” And of course you are right, N. Ireland has had its fair share of cruelty and bigotry, once again fueled by Religion and Politics. (& I went to an RC school in the 1970s which was in England; we got the backlash of the IRA!)
Yet there is a pattern of Islamic “nations” and African Tribal “nations” and Caribbean “nations” becoming more and more homophobic as the western nations become more liberal and enshrining Gay Rights in Law. I for one am Glad I was born in the UK at the middle end of the 20th Century. For all this country’s faults, I am not going to be tortured and killed by the Govt because I love another man, my friends and family are not going to be put in prison because they love me!
to lejos del usa 6 @25, Decent Human beings have a right to comment when evil human beings are trying to murder innocent people! If you don’t understand the concept of morality and compassion then you have no right to call yourself human! Its people like you who encourage genocide and fundamentalism and when you and your like have finished, do you think we could have the world back please; some of us want to live in peace!
I think it is sad to see how some people wish to label societies as more or less civilised. To say, for example, that African societies are in some way less valuable than our own.
This is very short sighted in many ways. Africa is an absolutely vast continent which contains very many cultures.
The twentieth century in Europe was a period of truly monstrous inhumanity. It was as a result of that massive human atrocity the holocaust that social liberalism became accepted in the post war years of Western Europe. However even after the holocaust we have of course seen further atrocities in Serbia.
We are not in a position to point the finger at African societies and accuse them of being inferior.
The homophobia in Rwanda and Uganda is no different from the homophobia that we see anywhere else.
We are much better to address the homophobia as it is than to say that it is some unique product of “backward” societies. We are very stupid if we believe that Europe has advanced beyond this behaviour.
I believe this homophobia is alive and well in Europe but it is biding its time.
The British Conservative Party is fuelling homophobia in Poland just as stark as that in Uganda by forming a tiny European grouping with the Polish Law and Justice Party. There is nothing civilised about advancing homophobia in another part of Europe and then pretending in your own country that it is not what you are doing.
If we all agree that homophobia is a mental illness – and I think we do – what can be done to cure it?
Cutting off aid? There may be other donors around.
I’m giving my time and pennies to Human Rights Groups because I believe Democracy will prevail, and that includes the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
From the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission
**A 48-hour marathon by the Parliament of Rwanda to criminalize homosexuality is under way**
URGENT CALL TO ACTION
CALL FOR THE IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL OF ARTICLE 217 OF THE DRAFT REVISION OF THE RWANDA PENAL CODE ACT WHICH CRIMINALIZES HOMOSEXUALITY
Horizon Community Association (HOCA), an LGBTI organization in Rwanda, in collaboration with the Coalition of African Lesbians (CAL) and the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC) calls on all human rights defenders, organizations, governments, civil society, globally, to immediately take action against a proposed article in the draft Penal Code Act in Rwanda which would criminalize homosexuality.
In November 2009, a draft revision on the Penal Code Act of Rwanda was tabled in the Parliament of Rwanda. Article 217 of the draft act would introduce new, oppressive legislation—the criminalization of consensual same-sex acts and relationships as well as criminalizing the work of LGBT human rights defenders. Homosexuality has never been a crime in Rwanda.
The lower house of the Rwandan Parliament will hold its final debate on this draft code Wednesday December 16, 2009. A vote on this draft code will occur before the end of this week.
Article 217 reads:
Any person who practices, encourages or sensitizes people of the same sex, to sexual relation or any sexual practice, shall be liable for a term of imprisonment ranging from five (5) to ten (10) years and fine ranging from Two Hundred thousand Rwanda Francs (200.000 RwF) to one million (1,000,000)Rwanda francs.
This article is a violation of basic human rights and is contradictory to the Rwandan Constitution as well as various regional and international human rights treaties and conventions. This proposed law stands in direct conflict with the rights to human dignity, personal freedom (Article 12), Equality (Article 16), Expression (Article 18), and Privacy (Article 22) ensured by the Rwandan Constitution, and in particular, Article 22(1), which states that “the private lives of individuals shall not be infringed upon in any way.” Likewise, this proposed article is counter to the guarantees of nondiscrimination and equality before the law in Articles 2, 3, and 28 of the African Charter on Human and People’s Rights. Furthermore, laws criminalizing and detentions of people because of consensual sex between persons of the same sex are arbitrary and violate Articles 2 and 26 on the rights to equality before the law, freedom from discrimination, and privacy of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which Rwanda is a party (Toonen v. Australia, 1994).
If the new Penal Code includes this provision, it will also hinder the implementation of the Rwanda National Strategic Plan on HIV and AIDS by the National Commission of Fight against AIDS (CNLS), which is currently considering the inclusion of Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) in the plan. A law of this nature would be a major setback to the Rwandan Government’s commitment to national unity, tolerance, inclusiveness, dialogue, social cohesion and security among Rwandan citizens and residents.
HOCA, CAL and IGLHRC are calling on you to;
Send letters to the following officials demanding immediate withdrawal of 217 from the draft revision of the Penal Code Act;
1. H.E Paul Kagame
President of the Republic of Rwanda
Phone: +250 818 2105/590 62105/818 2000/59062000
Fax: +250 572 431
2. Rt. Hon. Bernard Makuza
Prime Minister of Rwanda
Phone: +250 585 444/5, +250 584 648
Fax: +250 583 714
3. Tharcisse Karugarama
Minister of Justice
Phone: +250 586398/586561/585844
Fax: +250 586509
4. Dr. Jean Damascene Ntawukuliryayo
Minister of Health
Phone: +250 77458/77910
Fax: +250 76853/77458
5. Joseph Habineza
Minister of Sports and Culture
Phone: +250 5835315
6. Minister of Gender and Family Promotion
Phone: +250 577626/577203/576455
Fax: +250 577543
7. Solina Nyirahabimana
Minister in the Office of the President
(Here are the emails all together, if you want to copy and paste: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org)
Call on the Government of Rwanda to recognize, protect, respect and promote the human rights of all citizens and residents of Rwanda, including LGBTI people;
Protest against Article 217 for LGBT at the Rwandan Embassies in your country;
Lobby your Government (especially the Presidency and Foreign Ministries) to put pressure on the Government of Rwanda through diplomatic and other means possible; and to
Engage the press in your call for the promotion of human rights for all people in Rwanda.
The latest about Rwanda:
Rwanda To Scrap Proposed Anti-Gay Law
Posted: 23 Dec 2009 09:36 AM PST
Rwanda’s English language daily New Times reports:
After months of speculation, the Political Affairs Committee in the Lower Chamber of Parliament has requested fellow law makers to consider scrapping the article on homosexuality from the penal code in conformity with the International Charter on Civil rights, The New Times can exclusively reveal.
The President of the Political Affairs committee; Bernadette Kanzaire told parliament yesterday that the United Nations AIDS (UNAIDS) council had requested the government to scrap the article pointing out that it was contrary to articles 16 and 26 of the United Nations Covenant on Civil and Political Rights that seek protection of all citizens with disregard to sex, religion and others.
“All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law.
Rwanda’s legislature is in the process of revising its 33-year-old penal code.
-The Box Turtle