Why do these people constantly need reminding that, while They may choose to live by the rules made up by men, a large majority of people have happily moved on and wish to live in the 21st century.
I don’t believe him.
He is an evangelical christian. Those people are truly evil, using their personal beliefs to undermine democracy and human rights at every turn.
Oh I’m sure this Warren character didn’t write a cheque to the genocidal maniacs of the Ugandan government but the christian culture of hatred, intolerance and division is what he is selling to Africa.
His denial is equivalent to a gun manufacturer denying any involvement in a murder when they personally supplied the weapon to a psycho who opens fire on a crowd of people.
Warren is evil scum.
he’s a homophobe and these remarks are to save face for him – he doesn’t care about anyone who is gay etc
He backed off because the controversy has exploded in his face that could translate into less financial support and credibililty. He’s a classic example of hypocrisy, bigotry and cowardice whose genesis is often rooted in religious cults if you look at its history. Its the same m.o. used to defeat marriage equality legislation. The man is a sleaze.
You know its really bad when someone like Rick Warren makes a statemanet against Uganda’s law before Rowen Williams has! R.Williams is being shown to be utterly spineless in this matter.
What these people call “God’s Word”, interpreted by themselves (of course), is in any case so far removed from the message of Jesus that it’s laughable. Look carefully at that paragraph about “God’s Word” and Jesus, it gives it away, he knows he can’t say “Jesus’s teaching about sexuality” because he knows there isn’t any! So he has to present as “God’s Word” the belief system of illiterate, superstitious, credulous bronze-age peasants in Palestine. He’s a fraud and a charlatan, grown rich on catering to people’s gullibility.
This is the scumbag who gave Obama’s inauguration prayer and Obama went to great lengths to pretend Warren was not a homophobe.
Well that was clearly fake. This Warren guy is a disgrace and a bigot.
As for Rowan Williams – that spineless, useless, waste of space had no problem giving out about a lesbian bishop in the US being ‘divisive’ but has not uttered a word about Uganda’s genocidal law. He is a disgrace should resign, for caring more about his poxy church than he does for human lives.
Rick Warren’s still an ass.
He prays to the God that man made, not the God that made man.
We cannot water down God’s Law not to wear mixed fabrics or eat shellfish either. If he is wearing mixed fabrics Rick Warren has broken God’s law as surely as if he became a practising homosexual
Well done to everyone who campaigned by signing petitions and protesting.
This Bill is hateful and evil. Killing people is always wrong. So is imprisoning people for not betraying their friends or acquaintances. The Nazis passed the same laws to incarcerate, torture (aka ‘rehabilitate’), and murder gay people and Jewish people. We have to make sure that history is not repeated.
The evangelical Christian leaders who preach hate and supported this murderous, discriminatory Bill are perverting the teachings of their own religion and betraying the example of Jesus Christ, who preached acceptance and compassion towards all people, especially the marginalised and outcast. JC also criticised hypocritical and pious religious leaders for being holier-than-thou and for pandering to profiteering money-changers, just like these religious leaders are doing today. JC would be ashamed of what is being preached in his name today. “Do not judge, lest you be judged” he said.
Rick Warren’s statement is hollow because the US press have shown that he encouraged and sponsored Bahati (the MP who sponsored the Bill) through ‘The Family’s evangelical Christian ‘Prayer Breakfasts’ in the US and then in Uganda.
My view is Warren continues keeping quiet. The world have enough politicians for politic on civil rights. I need Warren and all religions take their hands off from politic. People on the earth will take care everything on earth. People with the brain on the cloud let do something on the cloud.
“Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.” Thomas Paine – Revolutionist -England, the United States, France
The Ugandan haters and their American handlers were preparing for a dominationist reign of mass murder, a final solution, a LGBT genocide, gender cleansing or whatever you want to call it.
What stopped them, at least Warren, was the fear of being called an accomplice to mass murder. He, and all cult leaders who attack us are exactly that but are terrified of being recognized as accomplices to murder. That’s why every time the murder of a GLBT person makes the headlines they all immediately deny complicity. Even the Ugandan haters backed down and eliminated the death penalty. They’ll save money and just ‘disappear’ our brothers and sisters.
The truth is that their bigotry, echoed by politicians like McCain and Obama, are the principal reason why harassment, violence and the murder of LGBT folks takes place.
The central leaders of the American Revolution were adamantly opposed to cult interference in the affairs of the Republic but greatly underestimated the greed of the cults. We have to go one step further. We have to criminalize cult interference in civil and political affairs and fight to take away their tax breaks and secularize their educational and medical properties. And it goes without saying that they should not be compensated.
Their other properties should be seized without compensation to compensate rape and abuse victims.
We should demand that Obama immediately denounce Warrens murderous and illegal interference in the affairs of the long suffering sovereign people of Uganda. We should also demand that Obama fire all the antiSSM (same-sex marriage) bigots in his Administration beginning with Hillary Clinton and Josh Dubois, and everyone connected with his administrations disgusting legal defense of DOMA and DADT. He should also fire antiSSM bigots in the leadership of the Democrat Party like Leah Daughtry and Tim Kaine of the DNC.
If he won’t we should call for his impeachment.
“If the liberties of the American people are ever destroyed, they will fall by the hands of the clergy.” Marquis de Lafayette – Revolutionist – France, the United States
Salesman Rick Warren as I call him caved to the pressure brought on by gay friendly press that would not let him crawl under his version of his bible. He does not care a tinker’s damn about gay people or the people of Uganda for that matter straight or gay but he does care about ratings and the profits that they indicate. Members of the Senate and a few in the House of Representatives who are members of the evangelical taliban called the Family are now beginning to ever so politely criticize the bill because they know even in this nutter driven country if they do not criticize the bill it might cost them votes. Despite all their “christian” trappings the only god they worship is money and when that god and its’ treasury is threatened with loss of profit they would suck an egg out of a mule’s butt if they had to! Sales Warren and his ilk are the servants of mammon and mammon wears vestments with stars and stripes. One last offering, the gay press and others who believe in a truly human and civil world should keep up the pressure on him and other charlatans who use religion quite effectively to oppress and harm others. Oh by the way would someone ring his grace the archbishop of Canterbury and tell him it is ok now for him to crawl out from under his miter because no now cares what he thinks if they ever did in the first place!
Rick Warren had his ear to the ground and heard about the ground-breaking news that came out on the UN earlier today: “Landmark Meeting Denounces Rights Abuses on Sexual Orientation, Gendre Identity”.
Scott Lively,Ken Hutcherson, Rick Warren,the Throckmorton dude-they have found a cash cow in hate and exploit their global sheep from the USA to Latvia,etc
Despite his slick and cringy ‘seeker friendly’ presentation,and the fact that his book ‘The Purpose Driven Life’ was sold on hype rather than spiritual value….I dont think there is any reason to believe that Warren does not mean what he says concerning the Ugandan debacle.
So put a lid on your anti-Christian vitriol and let the guy speak.
I believe IAIN is right on this one.
As a former Evangelical Christian I believe that Warren’s moral and intellectual integrity is necessarily impaired by his commitment to the Bible as ‘the Word of God’ (i.e. his commitment to nonsense) – but I don’t believe he’s lying about his opposition to imprisonment or killing of gay people.
Many Evangelicals of Warren’s age and younger are, in themselves, quite positively disposed towards gay people – it’s just that their minds are shackled by the Evangelical System of Mind Control (i.e. fear) and their a priori commitment to an ‘inerrant’ Bible (whatever THAT really means!).
Perhaps it would be useful to use the academic distinction between Evangelical fundamentalists (who often DO seek to impose ‘Biblical values’ enshrined in Law, upon an entire society, including non-Christians), and Evangelical pietists (who don’t wish to impose ‘Christian’ values on the unconverted). Both groups are committed to delusion as far as I’m concerned, but the latter group will harm others very much less than the former.
What is the relationship between Baharti and some leading churchmen in Wales? Do they have any influence over him?
Oh, and isn’t conspiracy to commit genocide some sort of international crime?
I agree with Iain and Rob. If Warren is willing to stand up and preach compassion on this issue, then I don’t care if he thinks we’re all “lost broken souls”. I think we should be glad. Not out of gratitude or because it compensates for any other hate-mongering/sponsoring he’s done previously, (of course it doesn’t), but because the evangelicals are only ever going to listen to one of their own. And being told by such an influential person that complicity in this is unloving and unchristian may actually get through to some of them. We can but hope.
Put a sock in it, Warren:
So much bibliaphobia intolerance and bigotry from the homosexual contingency that. people have a legal right to their views and beliefs just as you do.
Seeing as your bible commands you to put me to death, I think I have a right to defend myself.
“God’s Word” also clearly commands you to murder your children if they disobey you: