Sarah – Non fundie Christian

Something along the lines of medical intervention and or sectioning.

At least he will have the pleasure of reading it before deleting it.

He can dream on, because a Virgin Birth is more likely. Who wants to waste their time in debate with a know-all, know-nothing, no-contest and nobody, who thinks that the Book of Genesis is a real account of human history?

The people of Salford aren’t stupid. Until now he has been able to get away with presenting himself as a concerned citizen, posing with babies, visiting schools and talent contests. But now, his extremist views and hatred of gay people is there for all to see – on his blog, on Google for ever and ever.

Why he wants to argue with me on TV is a mystery – he knows I will askm all these questions again and again until I get an answer.

I’ll accept your apology but I’d suggest that you owe SMC an apology without any ‘humor’ attached – a truly sincere apology for calling him ‘Black Mary’ amongst other things.

Then we can let it all ride but Neville – I will be watching you.

Perhaps setting up a ‘media watch’ campaign against him, he could get caught out and a sound complaint to the police could me made when he trips up in his arrogance?

btw – Keep up the good work on the Grauniad and here on Pink News

Mr Carvath can’t stop thinking about me at the moment if his blog is anything to go by. He claims I won’t ‘debate’ him, even though he refuses to defend his unsupported claims at any point, when challenged. He is so allergic to criticism, he has disabled comments on his 1-star rated YouTube video. He cannot take it. Just for the record, I’m delighted to take this wingnut on any time. In case it gets rejected on his comments page, my response is below:

“Why should Channel M be a megaphone for fanatics like you in the first place? They deal with serious news and informed opinion, not deluded village idiots. You are just not qualified to make any claims about human psychology, that’s why I doubt they will be interested in you.

Act like an adult, and explain all the whacko unfounded claims you made in your unreviewed, unpublished and unpublishable ‘book’ which you seem to have cobbled together from Christian Institute pamphlets and extremist American propaganda. The claims are listed for all to laugh at in the comments thread on the Salford Advertiser. Explain how you know they are true. I don’t think you can.

And keep your nose out of other people’s private affairs, which do not concern you. That’s all there is to be said in your case – no debate required.

But if any media outlet is foolish enough to give you any airtime – then fine, anytime. Put a proposal to them and see how far you get.

Adrian”

This article is about a would-be MP calling a Tory candidate a ‘homosexual pervert’. Isn’t that what we should be talking about rather than indulging in ad hominem attacks?

I note Hazel Blears has condemned Carvath’s hate speech and she stands by Matt Sephton – http://www.lgf.org.uk/hazel-blears-stands-by-gay-tory-against-hate – we should be doing likewise and putting party politics to one side for the time being.

We shouldn’t give homophobes the opportunity to divide and rule – United we stand. Divided we fall.

Hopefully it’s poison won’t infect the board in general.

the throwaway society may also choose to forget that in the late 70′s Labour wrecked the British economy and people responded by turning to extremist parties. Are we not seeing the same thing happening today?

I’ll appoligise for calling you names (I’m sorry I swore at you too) but I’ll still consider you a racist until you prove otherwise.

And to joe: I was seeking to defend the board against Racism. Perhaps I went overboard but I do not consider Racist abuse to be acceptable even if I do disagree with SMC’s politics.

If you disagree with someone’s politics you say so you don’t misrepresent them (as I was when constantly referred to as a Tory voter and SMC as a Christian,) engage in Racist, Classist and Transphobic attacks.

I’m sad that the thread has been closed too and I hope that no comments are deleted because, unpleasant as they where on both sides, they where said and a record of them should stay.

My dear old mum taught me, “never discuss politics, religion or class with friends, lest your friendship ends.”
The wisdom of her words rings down through the years.

At the root of the rather personal attacks in the closed discussion was a simple difference in voting habits. That was no excuse for the brutal and intensely personal attacks that ensued.

As was pointed out by the unfortunate Jose who unwittingly wandered into the discussion, the racism was staggering and was enough to convince Jose to flee and never return.

Despite my own gentle admonition, the racism, classism and transphobia continued unabated.

As incomprehensible as it might be to Neville, Eddy and Sharon that a gay person would wish to exercise their democratic right to vote for a political party other than Labour, it is no reason to abandon all decency and resort to the level and extent of personal insults and prejudice in evidence in that discussion.

Sister Mary Clarence and theotherone are undoubtedly not angels but they were subjected to unacceptable levels of sustained abuse which was horrifying to observe. I would hope that Neville, Eddy and Sharon might reflect and perhaps see that they went too far in their goading on this occassion, then extend a polite apology. If only to salvage some of their own reputation as civilised people.