Comments on: Uganda ‘to remove death penalty from anti-gay bill’ http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/ News, reviews and comment from Europe's largest gay news service Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:45:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rick http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-88504 Rick Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:11:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-88504 Bahati is out of control. straight men defile kids more than any other gender. staright men in uganda abuse women more than any other gender. straight people are dying of iads more than any other gender in uganda because they think a women is there for sex and they rape women all the time .I have no idea what he is talking about to defend the bill . has he got any case of rape or defilement among gay people . but at cases from staright people . Let him drop his ignorance from passing it on to the world because he is kissing religious ass for there money . that is the whole deal and he does not make sense altogether other than asahming the country and shouwing thefty point blank telling donors to give money with no strings attached to let him pass laws against human rights . Let them pass pass defilement law that putting it on gays . families will always protect themselves . ignorant families force there members to marry at early age if they want to or tell there daughters to persue education and wait the marriage for later . some want there daughters to have 20 kids and some tell there kids to have few kids . some decide not to marry and stay single mothers and fathers . what is bahati going to do with all these changes in family values . Bahati you really ashamed this country the world to think there is still people like you in uganda in this 21 century. wow Bahati is out of control. straight men defile kids more than any other gender. staright men in uganda abuse women more than any other gender. straight people are dying of iads more than any other gender in uganda because they think a women is there for sex and they rape women all the time .I have no idea what he is talking about to defend the bill . has he got any case of rape or defilement among gay people . but at cases from staright people . Let him drop his ignorance from passing it on to the world because he is kissing religious ass for there money . that is the whole deal and he does not make sense altogether other than asahming the country and shouwing thefty point blank telling donors to give money with no strings attached to let him pass laws against human rights . Let them pass pass defilement law that putting it on gays . families will always protect themselves . ignorant families force there members to marry at early age if they want to or tell there daughters to persue education and wait the marriage for later . some want there daughters to have 20 kids and some tell there kids to have few kids . some decide not to marry and stay single mothers and fathers . what is bahati going to do with all these changes in family values . Bahati you really ashamed this country the world to think there is still people like you in uganda in this 21 century. wow

]]> By: Nigel http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-88424 Nigel Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:29:51 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-88424 Discrimination is alive and well in Uganda, the very thing they loathed from the British. Perhaps ethics minister Buturo should be the first to sign up for his proposed counseling program. Clearly there is some personal issue here which needs to be dealt with before he is put into a position of power and influence. Discrimination is alive and well in Uganda, the very thing they loathed from the British. Perhaps ethics minister Buturo should be the first to sign up for his proposed counseling program. Clearly there is some personal issue here which needs to be dealt with before he is put into a position of power and influence.

]]> By: Equality means everyone http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87295 Equality means everyone Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:00:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87295 As for the 'refinements', they will probably be imprisonment and forced 'therapy' of the aversion/brainwashing type. This is torture and false imprisonment. These religious people would do well to remember that God gave people free will - it is not for them to take other people's free will away or to judge them. As for the ‘refinements’, they will probably be imprisonment and forced ‘therapy’ of the aversion/brainwashing type. This is torture and false imprisonment.

These religious people would do well to remember that God gave people free will – it is not for them to take other people’s free will away or to judge them.

]]> By: Equality means everyone http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87294 Equality means everyone Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:58:07 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87294 Well done to everyone who campaigned by signing petitions and protesting. This Bill is hateful and evil. Killing people is always wrong. So is imprisoning people for not betraying their friends or acquaintances. The Nazis passed the same laws to incarcerate, torture (aka 'rehabilitate'), and murder gay people and Jewish people. We have to make sure that history is not repeated. The evangelical Christian leaders who preach hate and supported this murderous, discriminatory Bill are perverting the teachings of their own religion and betraying the example of Jesus Christ, who preached acceptance and compassion towards all people, especially the marginalised and outcast. JC also criticised hypocritical and pious religious leaders for being holier-than-thou and for pandering to profiteering money-changers, just like these religious leaders are doing today. JC would be ashamed of what is being preached in his name today. "Do not judge, lest you be judged" he said. The retraction by Rick Warren is hollow. The US press have demonstrated that he encouraged this Bill. Well done to everyone who campaigned by signing petitions and protesting.

This Bill is hateful and evil. Killing people is always wrong. So is imprisoning people for not betraying their friends or acquaintances. The Nazis passed the same laws to incarcerate, torture (aka ‘rehabilitate’), and murder gay people and Jewish people. We have to make sure that history is not repeated.

The evangelical Christian leaders who preach hate and supported this murderous, discriminatory Bill are perverting the teachings of their own religion and betraying the example of Jesus Christ, who preached acceptance and compassion towards all people, especially the marginalised and outcast. JC also criticised hypocritical and pious religious leaders for being holier-than-thou and for pandering to profiteering money-changers, just like these religious leaders are doing today. JC would be ashamed of what is being preached in his name today. “Do not judge, lest you be judged” he said.

The retraction by Rick Warren is hollow. The US press have demonstrated that he encouraged this Bill.

]]> By: Mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87244 Mike Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:06:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87244 "refined" set of punishments would be favoured instead of execution." I hate to think what those will be? Amputations? Castration? They want to make gaypeople suffer so it wont be a smack on the wrist will it! “refined” set of punishments would be favoured instead of execution.” I hate to think what those will be? Amputations? Castration? They want to make gaypeople suffer so it wont be a smack on the wrist will it!

]]> By: the.kitty.channel http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87172 the.kitty.channel Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87172 The MP who tabled the bill, David Bahati, has argued his bill will protect children, youths and the "traditional family". I read that out to Kitty and asked her what the thought of the man who said it. She started licking her arsehole. The MP who tabled the bill, David Bahati, has argued his bill will protect children, youths and the “traditional family”.

I read that out to Kitty and asked her what the thought of the man who said it. She started licking her arsehole.

]]> By: Jean-Paul Bentham http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87170 Jean-Paul Bentham Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:24:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87170 It ain't over. What do you mean? Did Warren say that or not? It ain’t over.

What do you mean? Did Warren say that or not?

]]> By: JohnK http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87167 JohnK Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:17:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87167 How decent of the Ugandans to decide not to kill us . . . think not. How decent of the Ugandans to decide not to kill us

. . . think not.

]]> By: Chester http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87160 Chester Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87160 niki's quote is bogus as warren lies, the churches can be very homophobic niki’s quote is bogus as warren lies, the churches can be very homophobic

]]> By: niki http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87145 niki Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:01:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87145 I think it fair to reproduce thhe full spech of Rick Warren, because he condemned the bill,,, As an American pastor, it is not my role to interfere with the politics of other nations, but it IS my role to speak out on moral issues. It is my role to shepherd other pastors who look to me for guidance, and it is my role to correct lies, errors, and false reports when others associate my name with a law that I had nothing to do with, completely oppose, and vigorously condemn. I am referring to the pending law under consideration by the Ugandan Parliament, known as the Anti-Homosexuality Bill. there are thousands of evil laws enacted around the world and I cannot speak to pastors about every one of them, but I am taking the extraordinary step of speaking to you -- the pastors of Uganda and spiritual leaders of your nation -- for five reasons: First, the potential law is unjust, extreme and un-Christian toward homosexuals, requiring the death penalty in some cases. If I am reading the proposed bill correctly, this law would also imprison anyone convicted of homosexual practice. Second, the law would force pastors to report their pastoral conversations with homosexuals to authorities. Third, it would have a chilling effect on your ministry to the hurting. As you know, in Africa, it is the churches that are bearing the primary burden of providing care for people infected with HIV/AIDS. If this bill passed, homosexuals who are HIV positive will be reluctant to seek or receive care, comfort and compassion from our churches out of fear of being reported. You and I know that the churches of Uganda are the truly caring communities where people receive hope and help, not condemnation I think it fair to reproduce thhe full spech of Rick Warren, because he condemned the bill,,,

As an American pastor, it is not my role to interfere with the politics of other nations, but it IS my role to speak out on moral issues. It is my role to shepherd other pastors who look to me for guidance, and it is my role to correct lies, errors, and false reports when others associate my name with a law that I had nothing to do with, completely oppose, and vigorously condemn. I am referring to the pending law under consideration by the Ugandan Parliament, known as the Anti-Homosexuality Bill.

there are thousands of evil laws enacted around the world and I cannot speak to pastors about every one of them, but I am taking the extraordinary step of speaking to you — the pastors of Uganda and spiritual leaders of your nation — for five reasons:

First, the potential law is unjust, extreme and un-Christian toward homosexuals, requiring the death penalty in some cases. If I am reading the proposed bill correctly, this law would also imprison anyone convicted of homosexual practice.

Second, the law would force pastors to report their pastoral conversations with homosexuals to authorities.

Third, it would have a chilling effect on your ministry to the hurting. As you know, in Africa, it is the churches that are bearing the primary burden of providing care for people infected with HIV/AIDS. If this bill passed, homosexuals who are HIV positive will be reluctant to seek or receive care, comfort and compassion from our churches out of fear of being reported. You and I know that the churches of Uganda are the truly caring communities where people receive hope and help, not condemnation

]]> By: Derek North http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87135 Derek North Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:24:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87135 Oh dear, the benefits of the religous mind fuke. Oh dear, the benefits of the religous mind fuke.

]]> By: Jean-Paul Bentham http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87133 Jean-Paul Bentham Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:10:56 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87133 'Buturo retorted: "It is revealing that support to Uganda literally translated means that it is on condition that Uganda should do the bidding of givers of such support regardless of what Ugandans themselves think."' It's not a case of what Ugandans think. It's a question of what the Ugandan authorities have swallowed from American evangelicals. We have yet to hear what the Ugandans think primarily because they are afraid to speak. Bur besides that, Buturo has it right: "....support to Uganda literally translated means that it is on condition that Uganda should do the bidding of givers...". Buturo should be grateful that the "givers" are not racists and that they have not vowed to kill all infidels. This is far from over because Terry (13) has hit the nail right on the head. ‘Buturo retorted: “It is revealing that support to Uganda literally translated means that it is on condition that Uganda should do the bidding of givers of such support regardless of what Ugandans themselves think.”‘

It’s not a case of what Ugandans think. It’s a question of what the Ugandan authorities have swallowed from American evangelicals.

We have yet to hear what the Ugandans think primarily because they are afraid to speak.

Bur besides that, Buturo has it right: “….support to Uganda literally translated means that it is on condition that Uganda should do the bidding of givers…”.

Buturo should be grateful that the “givers” are not racists and that they have not vowed to kill all infidels.

This is far from over because Terry (13) has hit the nail right on the head.

]]> By: Har Davids http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87131 Har Davids Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:01:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87131 James Nsaba Buturo: don't be surprised if funds are cut, and I hope they will be; even amended this stills makes your parliament the lowest of the low if this bill becomes law. James Nsaba Buturo: don’t be surprised if funds are cut, and I hope they will be; even amended this stills makes your parliament the lowest of the low if this bill becomes law.

]]> By: flapjack http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87112 flapjack Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:39:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87112 Just stumbled on a TV news report in which the NARTH inspired author of the book sited by Ugandan authorities as justification for their opressive policies towards the LGBT community (one Richard Cohen) attempts to defend himself… He gets the pasting he richly deserves from Rachel Maddow, the interviewer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Pg22ow1e8&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7SVBd8KcaE&feature=related Just stumbled on a TV news report in which the NARTH inspired author of the book sited by Ugandan authorities as justification for their opressive policies towards the LGBT community (one Richard Cohen) attempts to defend himself… He gets the pasting he richly deserves from Rachel Maddow, the interviewer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Pg22ow1e8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7SVBd8KcaE&feature=related

]]> By: Derek North http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87104 Derek North Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:22:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87104 15. "Tolerance will be achieved when no homosexuals present in the world. " And given how NATURE operates, that will NEVER happen. Go away bigot 15. “Tolerance will be achieved when no homosexuals present in the world. ”

And given how NATURE operates, that will NEVER happen.

Go away bigot

]]> By: vulpus_rex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87095 vulpus_rex Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:55:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87095 Our benevolent governemnt see fit to shell out about £70m a year to Uganda: http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/publications/sid%202009/Table%209.xls Labour just love giving away your money! Shame the puppet chancellor didn't cut down on donations to homophobes yesterday instead of hiking up taxes. Anyway I Don't know why they don't cut out the middle man and put it straight into the Swiss deposit account of which ever petty, tinpot dictator is in charge in Uganda at the moment. Our benevolent governemnt see fit to shell out about £70m a year to Uganda:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/publications/sid%202009/Table%209.xls

Labour just love giving away your money! Shame the puppet chancellor didn’t cut down on donations to homophobes yesterday instead of hiking up taxes.

Anyway I Don’t know why they don’t cut out the middle man and put it straight into the Swiss deposit account of which ever petty, tinpot dictator is in charge in Uganda at the moment.

]]> By: Terry http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87064 Terry Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:01:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87064 Being from Africa now living in the UK, from my experience they can 'change' the wording all they like. The reality is that they will enforce whatever they have in mind regardless. It will take years before any tolerance can be expected - if ever. PropUganda is alive and well. Being from Africa now living in the UK, from my experience they can ‘change’ the wording all they like. The reality is that they will enforce whatever they have in mind regardless. It will take years before any tolerance can be expected – if ever. PropUganda is alive and well.

]]> By: Tigra 07 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87052 Tigra 07 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:32:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87052 "his bill will protect children, youths and the "traditional family". By locking up and exocuting children, youths and members of the traditional family? People have always been gay, we just know who is gay nowadays “his bill will protect children, youths and the “traditional family”.
By locking up and exocuting children, youths and members of the traditional family?

People have always been gay, we just know who is gay nowadays

]]> By: Bishop Ioan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87049 Bishop Ioan Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:23:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87049 Uganda should not get a penny and we should keep up the pressure internationally. This is an atrocity in the making. So, it's OK to persecute GLBTQ people as long as you don't actually kill them? Rick Warren is a true waste of space and air. Every time I see this man, I have an almost irresistable urge to hurl. Not surprised though when I look at the fundie community. Uganda should not get a penny and we should keep up the pressure internationally. This is an atrocity in the making. So, it’s OK to persecute GLBTQ people as long as you don’t actually kill them?

Rick Warren is a true waste of space and air. Every time I see this man, I have an almost irresistable urge to hurl. Not surprised though when I look at the fundie community.

]]> By: George http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87045 George Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:59:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/uganda-to-remove-death-penalty-from-anti-gay-bill/#comment-87045 But Uganda is still seeking to implement a vicious witch-hunt against anyone gay, HIV-postive and/or who know/mnight know someone who is. The Salem witch-trials could describe it accurately if the words are switched from "witch" to "gay". I deeply resent any of my taxes going to Uganda for any purpose for as long as this is the case. But Uganda is still seeking to implement a vicious witch-hunt against anyone gay, HIV-postive and/or who know/mnight know someone who is.

The Salem witch-trials could describe it accurately if the words are switched from “witch” to “gay”. I deeply resent any of my taxes going to Uganda for any purpose for as long as this is the case.

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