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Uganda ‘to remove death penalty from anti-gay bill’

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  1. It would have good to include mentions of the clear and established of American fundamentalist groups behind the bill.

  2. influence*

  3. Don’t they get it? This Bill shouldn’t even exist. It is offensive. To me, it’s the equivalent of punishing people because of the colour of their skin – cruel, illogical and evil.

    Ok, so people won’t be killed, but will they be subject to lengthy prison sentences? What form will this ‘gay cure’ therapy take? What happens to re-offenders?

    I hope aid is withheld from Uganda if they introduce this Bill however they amend the punishments. It’s wrong, and nothing will make it right or fair.

  4. “Gay cures.”
    Like the Nazis tried gay cures, experimenting and murdering 50,000 gay men and women?
    This opens up a whole new world of torture, humiliation and pain. Any thinking person knows that sexuality is no more a choice than what colour you are born, and as such; could not be cured with all the willpower and medication available.
    The international pressure needs to continue until this bill is DROPPED.

  5. zefrog, here’s an article from TIME setting out clearly the influence of US evangelical churches in the Uganda gay-hate legislation:

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1946645,00.html?xid=newsletter-daily

    jane.

  6. “The minister for ethics and integrity, James Nsaba Buturo, reportedly said a more “refined” set of punishments would be favoured instead of execution”

    Is this meant to be a solution? People will still be getting punished! Ugandan politicians are a bunch of ill educated religious nut jobs.

  7. Simon Murphy 10 Dec 2009, 3:31pm

    I read that Time article link and was interested to note the following sentence:

    “Rick Warren, however, seems to be avoiding tackling the subject directly. Although he cut ties with Ssempa, the popular preacher released a statement to Newsweek saying, “It is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.” ”

    That is the same Rick Warren who Barack Obama invited to say prayers at his inauguration earlier this year. His selection to do the inaugural prayer caused massive controversy because of his explicit homophobia. Both Obama and Warren denied his homophobia.

    Well that looks like a barefaced lie if Rick Warren can refuse to condemn a genocidal law.

  8. Yes, that’s the guy, the very same Rick Warren whose “Purpose Driven Life” is lapped up by Christians! It’s only too clear what the driving purpose is.

  9. Simon Murphy 10 Dec 2009, 3:46pm

    I think that the pressure to cancel all monetary aid to the Ugandan government should be maintained.

    The government of Uganda should not receive a penny in aid if there is the potential that they can use it for torture (which is what ‘gay cures’ are).

  10. But Uganda is still seeking to implement a vicious witch-hunt against anyone gay, HIV-postive and/or who know/mnight know someone who is.

    The Salem witch-trials could describe it accurately if the words are switched from “witch” to “gay”. I deeply resent any of my taxes going to Uganda for any purpose for as long as this is the case.

  11. Bishop Ioan 10 Dec 2009, 4:23pm

    Uganda should not get a penny and we should keep up the pressure internationally. This is an atrocity in the making. So, it’s OK to persecute GLBTQ people as long as you don’t actually kill them?

    Rick Warren is a true waste of space and air. Every time I see this man, I have an almost irresistable urge to hurl. Not surprised though when I look at the fundie community.

  12. “his bill will protect children, youths and the “traditional family”.
    By locking up and exocuting children, youths and members of the traditional family?

    People have always been gay, we just know who is gay nowadays

  13. Being from Africa now living in the UK, from my experience they can ‘change’ the wording all they like. The reality is that they will enforce whatever they have in mind regardless. It will take years before any tolerance can be expected – if ever. PropUganda is alive and well.

  14. vulpus_rex 10 Dec 2009, 6:55pm

    Our benevolent governemnt see fit to shell out about £70m a year to Uganda:

    http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/publications/sid%202009/Table%209.xls

    Labour just love giving away your money! Shame the puppet chancellor didn’t cut down on donations to homophobes yesterday instead of hiking up taxes.

    Anyway I Don’t know why they don’t cut out the middle man and put it straight into the Swiss deposit account of which ever petty, tinpot dictator is in charge in Uganda at the moment.

  15. Derek North 10 Dec 2009, 7:22pm

    15. “Tolerance will be achieved when no homosexuals present in the world. ”

    And given how NATURE operates, that will NEVER happen.

    Go away bigot

  16. Just stumbled on a TV news report in which the NARTH inspired author of the book sited by Ugandan authorities as justification for their opressive policies towards the LGBT community (one Richard Cohen) attempts to defend himself… He gets the pasting he richly deserves from Rachel Maddow, the interviewer.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Pg22ow1e8&feature=player_embedded

  17. Har Davids 10 Dec 2009, 9:01pm

    James Nsaba Buturo: don’t be surprised if funds are cut, and I hope they will be; even amended this stills makes your parliament the lowest of the low if this bill becomes law.

  18. Jean-Paul Bentham 10 Dec 2009, 9:10pm

    ‘Buturo retorted: “It is revealing that support to Uganda literally translated means that it is on condition that Uganda should do the bidding of givers of such support regardless of what Ugandans themselves think.”‘

    It’s not a case of what Ugandans think. It’s a question of what the Ugandan authorities have swallowed from American evangelicals.

    We have yet to hear what the Ugandans think primarily because they are afraid to speak.

    Bur besides that, Buturo has it right: “….support to Uganda literally translated means that it is on condition that Uganda should do the bidding of givers…”.

    Buturo should be grateful that the “givers” are not racists and that they have not vowed to kill all infidels.

    This is far from over because Terry (13) has hit the nail right on the head.

  19. Derek North 10 Dec 2009, 9:24pm

    Oh dear, the benefits of the religous mind fuke.

  20. I think it fair to reproduce thhe full spech of Rick Warren, because he condemned the bill,,,

    As an American pastor, it is not my role to interfere with the politics of other nations, but it IS my role to speak out on moral issues. It is my role to shepherd other pastors who look to me for guidance, and it is my role to correct lies, errors, and false reports when others associate my name with a law that I had nothing to do with, completely oppose, and vigorously condemn. I am referring to the pending law under consideration by the Ugandan Parliament, known as the Anti-Homosexuality Bill.

    there are thousands of evil laws enacted around the world and I cannot speak to pastors about every one of them, but I am taking the extraordinary step of speaking to you — the pastors of Uganda and spiritual leaders of your nation — for five reasons:

    First, the potential law is unjust, extreme and un-Christian toward homosexuals, requiring the death penalty in some cases. If I am reading the proposed bill correctly, this law would also imprison anyone convicted of homosexual practice.

    Second, the law would force pastors to report their pastoral conversations with homosexuals to authorities.

    Third, it would have a chilling effect on your ministry to the hurting. As you know, in Africa, it is the churches that are bearing the primary burden of providing care for people infected with HIV/AIDS. If this bill passed, homosexuals who are HIV positive will be reluctant to seek or receive care, comfort and compassion from our churches out of fear of being reported. You and I know that the churches of Uganda are the truly caring communities where people receive hope and help, not condemnation

  21. niki’s quote is bogus as warren lies, the churches can be very homophobic

  22. How decent of the Ugandans to decide not to kill us

    . . . think not.

  23. Jean-Paul Bentham 10 Dec 2009, 11:24pm

    It ain’t over.

    What do you mean? Did Warren say that or not?

  24. the.kitty.channel 10 Dec 2009, 11:34pm

    The MP who tabled the bill, David Bahati, has argued his bill will protect children, youths and the “traditional family”.

    I read that out to Kitty and asked her what the thought of the man who said it. She started licking her arsehole.

  25. “refined” set of punishments would be favoured instead of execution.” I hate to think what those will be? Amputations? Castration? They want to make gaypeople suffer so it wont be a smack on the wrist will it!

  26. Equality means everyone 11 Dec 2009, 5:58pm

    Well done to everyone who campaigned by signing petitions and protesting.

    This Bill is hateful and evil. Killing people is always wrong. So is imprisoning people for not betraying their friends or acquaintances. The Nazis passed the same laws to incarcerate, torture (aka ‘rehabilitate’), and murder gay people and Jewish people. We have to make sure that history is not repeated.

    The evangelical Christian leaders who preach hate and supported this murderous, discriminatory Bill are perverting the teachings of their own religion and betraying the example of Jesus Christ, who preached acceptance and compassion towards all people, especially the marginalised and outcast. JC also criticised hypocritical and pious religious leaders for being holier-than-thou and for pandering to profiteering money-changers, just like these religious leaders are doing today. JC would be ashamed of what is being preached in his name today. “Do not judge, lest you be judged” he said.

    The retraction by Rick Warren is hollow. The US press have demonstrated that he encouraged this Bill.

  27. Equality means everyone 11 Dec 2009, 6:00pm

    As for the ‘refinements’, they will probably be imprisonment and forced ‘therapy’ of the aversion/brainwashing type. This is torture and false imprisonment.

    These religious people would do well to remember that God gave people free will – it is not for them to take other people’s free will away or to judge them.

  28. Discrimination is alive and well in Uganda, the very thing they loathed from the British. Perhaps ethics minister Buturo should be the first to sign up for his proposed counseling program. Clearly there is some personal issue here which needs to be dealt with before he is put into a position of power and influence.

  29. Bahati is out of control. straight men defile kids more than any other gender. staright men in uganda abuse women more than any other gender. straight people are dying of iads more than any other gender in uganda because they think a women is there for sex and they rape women all the time .I have no idea what he is talking about to defend the bill . has he got any case of rape or defilement among gay people . but at cases from staright people . Let him drop his ignorance from passing it on to the world because he is kissing religious ass for there money . that is the whole deal and he does not make sense altogether other than asahming the country and shouwing thefty point blank telling donors to give money with no strings attached to let him pass laws against human rights . Let them pass pass defilement law that putting it on gays . families will always protect themselves . ignorant families force there members to marry at early age if they want to or tell there daughters to persue education and wait the marriage for later . some want there daughters to have 20 kids and some tell there kids to have few kids . some decide not to marry and stay single mothers and fathers . what is bahati going to do with all these changes in family values . Bahati you really ashamed this country the world to think there is still people like you in uganda in this 21 century. wow

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