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Russian human rights commissioner says Moscow Pride should be held in Germany

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  1. What a great concept. Lets hold London Pride in San Fransisco. Paris Pride could hold it in Japan it’s like twinning towns and cities.

  2. Reading Pride will move to Spain next year.

  3. Oh yeah, great idea – because Russian LGBTs can obviously easily afford to travel to Berlin from Moscow. FFS.

  4. What a total NUMPTY!!!!! Is he offering to charter the planes and pay the hotel bills as well????

  5. the.kitty.channel 8 Dec 2009, 5:51pm

    The sources for this story are: http://www.moscowpride.ru/ [in the "news" link] and, primarily, the newspaper Novye Izvestiya ["New Izvestiya"], at: http://www.newizv.ru/news/2009-11-23/117704/ [story dated 23 November 2009, an account of an interview with Mr Aleksandr Muzykantskii].

    Muzykantskii (the correct spelling) is nothing to do with the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (which has recently become active in Russia and has a list of areas of concern, a list that contains no reference to rights of sexual minorities). He is an appointee of the Mayor of Moscow, a well-known antagonist of gay rights and opponent of Moscow Pride.

    In this interview he mentions the need for “unconventional” solutions, and refers to his own comment about holding Moscow Pride in Berlin as an “impromptu remark” or “thinking out loud”.

    This man owes his loyalty to Luzkhov and is totally unconnected with the OHCHR apparatus in Russia. It would be interesting to know how his interview went down with that body’s representative in Moscow, Mr. Dirk Hebecker, Senior Human Rights Advisor to the UN Country Team in the Russian Federation, Address: Leontevski Per.9, 125009, Moscow, Russia, Tel: (+7 495) 787 21 03, Fax: (+7 495) 787 21 01, E-mail: dirk.hebecker@undp.org .

    If one were to look hard enough one might be lucky enough to find a small, provincial and intellectually undistinguished community where Muzykantskii could deploy his impressive talents. He is obviously wasted in Moscow.

  6. Mumbo Jumbo 8 Dec 2009, 7:31pm

    “….why not [sign] an agreement in which the representatives of sexual minorities in Moscow will hold their parade in Berlin…?”

    Because that would defeat the whole bleedin’ object of having a parade you fatheaded bigot.

  7. Unfortunately LGB campaigners in the Russian Federation are in a double-bind. There’s this prejudice and official discrimination, but when they complain under the European Convention on Human Rights, which is their ultimate guarantee, as it is ours’, they hit the problem that the administrators are fighting to keep the Russian Federation in the convention, in the face of several former-Soviet Block countries (notably Poland), and possibly the USA, pressing for it to be expelled, mainly out of old, Cold War vindictiveness, helped by these human rights violations.

    If it were no longer a party to the convention, the Council of Europe, or the European Court of Human Rights, then none of its citizens would have any recourse to their protections.

    And thus those pressing human rights in Moscow get considered agents of the country’s old, cold-war enemies, and some take delight in thwarting them for that reason too.

    It would be better for human rights across that vast federation, and indeed elsewhere too, if the cold-warriors (who tend not to care greatly for human rights themselves either) were to pack up and retire. Preferably at their own electorates’ bidding.

  8. Jean-Paul Bentham 8 Dec 2009, 8:22pm

    Thank you,the kitty.channel.

    “In 2007, marchers such as gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell were beaten by neo-Nazis and there were claims of police brutality at a brief march this year.”

    In other words, let’s make Moscow a safe-haven for neo-Nazis.

    Like Bugs Bunny said: What a maroon.

    The Moscow Pride will take place in Moscow. Period.

  9. Simon Murphy 9 Dec 2009, 11:11am

    That man is a moron.

    The LGBT population of Moscow (and indeed Russia) face great discrimination and abuse at the hands of the authorities.

    However I like to look on the optimistic side. The genie is out of the bottle. Thanks to the activities and protests of LGBT Muscovites (with the help of Peter Tatchell and the spotlight thrown on Moscow by the Eurovision Song Contest).

    Apparently more people in Moscow and Russia are now aware of gay people and their issues.

    That is a good thing.

    Things will get better but it will take time.

    Remember that 50 years ago the situation in Britain was worse than it is in Russia now. It was completely illegal to be a gay man and you would be jailed if you were caught.

  10. Sad really. I marched in the Krakow pride and it was pretty intense, riot police and all. It takes persistance and some die hard queers to stand up to the violance from not only the protestors, but sometimes the police. It took time in Krakow, and other places, but it will happen; taking the march out of Moskou will not help to create change.

  11. Bill Hazlitt 9 Dec 2009, 4:32pm

    This misses the point of a Pride! Pride’s purpose is to increase exposure of the LGBT community so that the mainstream folks can acknowledge our presence. Therefore, hopefully, mainstream people in the locations will start to see that we’re not as bad as has been cast on us by the hundreds of years of stereotypes. I realize that Moscow isn’t safe for LGBT people, but neither was Stonewall Inn in June ’69. Moving it to a safe city misses the point.

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