Comments on: United Reform Church first to speak out on Uganda’s anti-gay bill http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/ News, reviews and comment from Europe's largest gay news service Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:24:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Simon Barrow http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-86383 Simon Barrow Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:20:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-86383 Many thanks for covering this. Just to clarify,however: Ekklesia is NOT a "liberal church group". We're a think-tank, and among other things we try to challenge the common liberal-conservative stereotype. http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/about/faqs/12 Groups such as Accepting Evangelicals, who do not identify themselves as liberal, are also coming out against hompohobia: a very important development. Many thanks for covering this. Just to clarify,however: Ekklesia is NOT a “liberal church group”. We’re a think-tank, and among other things we try to challenge the common liberal-conservative stereotype. http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/about/faqs/12 Groups such as Accepting Evangelicals, who do not identify themselves as liberal, are also coming out against hompohobia: a very important development.

]]> By: Mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84939 Mike Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:33:12 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84939 Oh do shut up and go away with your silly outdated and offensive rantings about a metaphysical concept you have the nerve to say runs the world! It might run yours so go off and play in the corner and leave the rest of us alone! Oh do shut up and go away with your silly outdated and offensive rantings about a metaphysical concept you have the nerve to say runs the world! It might run yours so go off and play in the corner and leave the rest of us alone!

]]> By: JohnK http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84762 JohnK Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:48:27 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84762 Rahman wrote "Respectful Brian Burton, would you please explain why do you think that Minister's blessing of you and your partner are from God?" . . . . . . . . Rahman . . . Why do you think to can come onto this site and "Harrass Homosexuals with your Homophobic Holier than thou Hate" Rahman wrote

“Respectful Brian Burton, would you please explain why do you think that Minister’s blessing of you and your partner are from God?”
. . . . . . . .

Rahman . . . Why do you think to can come onto this site and “Harrass Homosexuals with your Homophobic Holier than thou Hate”

]]> By: Xaria http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84652 Xaria Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:05:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84652 the more i hear about the 'traditional family' the more i think its a disgusting, evil thing that should be destroyed with fire and its remains sown with salt. the more i hear about the ‘traditional family’ the more i think its a disgusting, evil thing that should be destroyed with fire and its remains sown with salt.

]]> By: Mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84316 Mike Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:40:39 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84316 Well done United reform church! Shame on the Anglican clergy for not defending human rights! (because they don't want to upset the African Anglicans who are, like the Pope, dragging the Christian Church back into the dark ages!) Well done United reform church! Shame on the Anglican clergy for not defending human rights! (because they don’t want to upset the African Anglicans who are, like the Pope, dragging the Christian Church back into the dark ages!)

]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84298 Simon Murphy Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:22:04 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84298 Who cares what the churches think of the new law - they are peddlers of superstition. I am more interested to find out when Uganda is to be expelled from the Commonwealth and what economic sanctions the EU and US is to impose on the government of Uganda for this law? Who cares what the churches think of the new law – they are peddlers of superstition.

I am more interested to find out when Uganda is to be expelled from the Commonwealth and what economic sanctions the EU and US is to impose on the government of Uganda for this law?

]]> By: Chris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84278 Chris Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:14:12 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84278 " I wonder when will the Pope will be heard on this matter?" Oh didn't you know? The Pope never interferes in politics - except when it's abortion or gay Rights..... ” I wonder when will the Pope will be heard on this matter?”

Oh didn’t you know? The Pope never interferes in politics – except when it’s abortion or gay Rights…..

]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84240 Brian Burton Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:44:26 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84240 Jennifer Hynes, The voice of sanity and common sence, you know I hate it when Christians are lumped together as one body when they are certainly not that. Someone even mentioned the pope as though that Troll had anything to do with us at the URC. Human rights versus hate is on the button. I never thought that I would class an Atheist as a 'Fundamentalist.' Jennifer Hynes,
The voice of sanity and common sence, you know I hate it when Christians are lumped together as one body when they are certainly not that. Someone even mentioned the pope as though that Troll had anything to do with us at the URC. Human rights versus hate is on the button. I never thought that I would class an Atheist as a ‘Fundamentalist.’

]]> By: Jennifer Hynes http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84192 Jennifer Hynes Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:16:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84192 I'd expect nothing less from the URC. Corporately, they are very pro-LGBT. I have written to John Sentamu asking why he is keeping silent, so far I have had a reply from the assistant to the Director of Communications for the Archbishop of York's office, but nothing from himself as yet (not expecting anything to be honest). Also, Exodus International (yes, of the ex-gay movement) has written directly to the Ugandan president asking him to reconsider this legislation and the Anglican Church of Canada has condemned the proposed legislation as a “fundamental violation of human rights”. Even in Uganda itself the "Christian community" is split with many seeing this as a step too far. So please, not all Christians are homophobic. Some of us are actually queer ourselves, and have many friends and allies in our own and other faith communities, including Islam. This isn't about faith versus science, a meaningless argument anyway, it is about human rights versus hate. Simple as that. I’d expect nothing less from the URC. Corporately, they are very pro-LGBT. I have written to John Sentamu asking why he is keeping silent, so far I have had a reply from the assistant to the Director of Communications for the Archbishop of York’s office, but nothing from himself as yet (not expecting anything to be honest).

Also, Exodus International (yes, of the ex-gay movement) has written directly to the Ugandan president asking him to reconsider this legislation and the Anglican Church of Canada has condemned the proposed legislation as a “fundamental violation of human rights”. Even in Uganda itself the “Christian community” is split with many seeing this as a step too far.

So please, not all Christians are homophobic. Some of us are actually queer ourselves, and have many friends and allies in our own and other faith communities, including Islam. This isn’t about faith versus science, a meaningless argument anyway, it is about human rights versus hate. Simple as that.

]]> By: Ian M Laughlin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84190 Ian M Laughlin Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:00:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84190 It seems that a new troll, in the form of the individual operating under the name of Rahman, is now posting regularly on Pink News. Here's some sound advice on dealing with such people, courtesy of atheist magazine The Freethinker. http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/03/14/when-a-troll-comes-calling/ It seems that a new troll, in the form of the individual operating under the name of Rahman, is now posting regularly on Pink News. Here’s some sound advice on dealing with such people, courtesy of atheist magazine The Freethinker. http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/03/14/when-a-troll-comes-calling/

]]> By: Har Davids http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84174 Har Davids Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:10:36 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84174 Great to hear Christians practicing what it is being preached. I wonder when will the Pope will be heard on this matter? Great to hear Christians practicing what it is being preached. I wonder when will the Pope will be heard on this matter?

]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84157 Brian Burton Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:10:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84157 There is a fatality about all physical and interllectual distinction, the sort of fatality that seems to dog through history the faltering steps of kings. Is it better to be different, is it better to be a seeker of wisdom and truth...maybey not...but then again..? There is a fatality about all physical and interllectual distinction, the sort of fatality that seems to dog through history the faltering steps of kings. Is it better to be different, is it better to be a seeker of wisdom and truth…maybey not…but then again..?

]]> By: darkmoonman http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84123 darkmoonman Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:29:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84123 Bravo! Kudos! Bravo! Kudos!

]]> By: Rahman http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84116 Rahman Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:28:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84116 Respectful Brian Burton, would you please explain why do you think that Minister's blessing of you and your partner are from God? Respectful Brian Burton, would you please explain why do you think that Minister’s blessing of you and your partner are from God?

]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84106 Brian Burton Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:59:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84106 Simon, The United Reformed Church is where I belong as a member. My Minister blest me and my Partner's CP in 2006. The blessing is From my God, the Minister is just the instrument. Simon,
The United Reformed Church is where I belong as a member. My Minister blest me and my Partner’s CP in 2006. The blessing is From my God, the Minister is just the instrument.

]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84084 Simon Murphy Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:09:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84084 "It has asked Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and the Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, who grew up in Uganda, to condemn it. As yet, neither have responded." The silence from Williams and Sentamu is despicable but entirely predictable. Unfortunately this law looks likely to pass. It's all very well for the US, France and UK to express 'grave concern' about this new law. Is their 'concern' to be followed up by a series of measures which have financial consequences for the Ugandan government? I think not. “It has asked Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and the Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, who grew up in Uganda, to condemn it. As yet, neither have responded.”

The silence from Williams and Sentamu is despicable but entirely predictable.

Unfortunately this law looks likely to pass. It’s all very well for the US, France and UK to express ‘grave concern’ about this new law. Is their ‘concern’ to be followed up by a series of measures which have financial consequences for the Ugandan government?

I think not.

]]> By: Iris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84065 Iris Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:02:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84065 "morally repugnant" Wow - no beating around the bush there. Well done, United Reform Church! I can't believe other church leaders haven't spoken out yet. “morally repugnant”

Wow – no beating around the bush there. Well done, United Reform Church! I can’t believe other church leaders haven’t spoken out yet.

]]> By: Chester http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84052 Chester Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:24:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/26/united-reform-church-first-to-speak-out-on-ugandas-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84052 Excellent more Christians and others need to see the evils of homophobia and the victims of it Excellent
more Christians and others need to see the evils of homophobia and the victims of it

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