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Gay rights advocate Cathy Ashton is new EU foreign affairs chief

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  1. Simon Murphy 20 Nov 2009, 4:20pm

    ” “Stonewall is delighted at Cathy Ashton’s appointment. Cathy won the Politician of the Year award at the first Stonewall Awards in 2006. ”

    Should we be worried about this?

    Stonewall does not believe in legal equality for gay relationships after all.

    For Ashton to be hailed by Stonewall – an unelected, quango who mislead both the general public and the political parties into thinking they are speaking on behalf of the LGB population (whereas in reality they only speak on behalf of their own membership) – is not necessarily a very prestigious endorsement.

    Stonewall the organisation is an embarrassment to the memory of the Stonewall Riots. I don’t think their endorsement is something to boast about. They don’t even reply to queries from the LGB public about why they think we are not worthy of legal equality.

  2. Should we be worried? Yes probably.

    Stonewall is to LGB what PFC is to trans – unelected, unaccountable and fighting for the wrong things.

    Here’s an idea – why don’t the rest of us rise up?

  3. Simon Murphy 20 Nov 2009, 4:31pm

    Oh but Polly – Stonewall DO fight some VERY important battles. It’s just that I can’t think of any at the moment.

    But who can fail to be moved to tears (of embarrassment) at their recent, pathetic efforts to stop a gay man and a lesbian from using the words ‘fagg0t’ and ‘dyke’ on their numberplates.

    Or their stirling efforts to force religious institutions to perform civil partnership ceremonies (while they still refuse to campaign for equal access to civil marriage for LGB people)

    They don’t represent trans’ issues either I believe.

  4. vulpus_rex 20 Nov 2009, 5:54pm

    Regardless of this lady’s commitment to equality she remains unelected to anything, ever, so how does she now hold one of the highest offices of the European Union’s political structure?

    The very worst pork barrel politics, that’s how, and sadly typical of how the EUSSR works. Undemocratic, unprincipled and rotten to the core.

  5. Brian Burton 20 Nov 2009, 6:03pm

    Simon Murphy,
    Cathy Ashton is a proven builder, not a destructive athiest as you are. You ought to be looking as to whom the Irish are sticking in there on your behalf. You know Simon I bet my bottom Dollar you revert to Religion when your in Ireland, mabey thats why they kicked you out…your atheistism? Staint Patrick got rid of the snakes they tell me!

  6. Pumpkin Pie 20 Nov 2009, 6:19pm

    Hey, if we’ve gotta have some unelected so-and-so in a position of power, I’m just glad that it’s someone who supports equality. I may not like the system, but she sounds like a good person.

  7. Brian Burton 20 Nov 2009, 8:57pm

    Pumpkin Pie,
    Quite right my dear, poor old Vulpus Rex is so full sour-grapes, she cannot see the forest for the trees poor cow. The election of the ‘Con’servatives is slipping away I sumise!

  8. Brian/Pumpkin: Yeah right, we have absolutely no democratic process whatsoever and the sponging old hag jumps onto the EU gravy train at £110,000 a year to waffle on about f_ck all amongst another bunch of Eurocrats hell bent on feathering their own nests.

    “I’m just glad that it’s someone who supports equality.”
    You mindless cretin. Yeah, feed the faggots a few scraps and that will keep them off our backs whilst we pick the bones of any valuable remains of this, and the other great European countries, whilst the ex-Soviets continue to march on forward claiming asylum, benefits, health care, education and every other standard we have managed to achieve over the last 60 years.

    But of course, this is “peoples politics”. I just wonder where the “people” bit comes into all this; or more to the point, *which* people.

  9. Pumpkin Pie 21 Nov 2009, 5:45am

    Hahaha! That RobN, he so crazy!

  10. Simon Murphy 21 Nov 2009, 5:46am

    No 5: Brian Burton: you say:

    “Simon Murphy,
    Cathy Ashton is a proven builder, not a destructive athiest as you are. You ought to be looking as to whom the Irish are sticking in there on your behalf. You know Simon I bet my bottom Dollar you revert to Religion when your in Ireland, mabey thats why they kicked you out…your atheistism? Staint Patrick got rid of the snakes they tell me! ”

    Do you seriously expect me to reply to such a load of incoherent babbling?

    Then again, I suppose I already have.

    God’s a c***, isn’t she?

  11. We joined the EU for easier trade not to create a new power state. Non of us has had a choice in our UK powers being taken away and the countries that did? France and the Netherland ‘no’ vote was ignored and Ireland had to carry on having a referendum til they got the answer right, clearly no Wasn’t good enough (naughty country!)! Slowly Europe is turning into a socalist/communist state and it seems non of us has the power to stop it because our ministers don’t have the backbone (or balls) to ask us.

  12. Harvey: They won’t ask us because they already know the answer we will give them.

    Incidentally, to all those naysayers that claim that our trade and standards will collapse if we are not part of the EU, – A recent survey examined the general standard of living and which countries worldwide are the best, (and worst), places to live; Number one turned out to be Norway, a country that has emphatically refused to join up.

  13. Exactly RobN they know we would say no. Another study regarding what would happen if we left the EU or went back to what we signed up for in the 1970’s, says we would be a lot wealthier as a country and pay a lot less tax. The positives outweighed the negatives.

  14. A nation of moaners. I wish you’d just leave.

    Regarding Cathy, I think she’s too inexperienced for this job. I’ve always favored Italians for diplomatic posts. But that’s just me.

    I also see no problem with her election. She was unanimously appointed by democratically elected heads of government. I actually oppose the idea of an EU-wide election for the President of the EU Council, just because we are NOT a state.

  15. Lucius: “A nation of moaners. I wish you’d just leave.”
    Please, after you.

    “I’ve always favored Italians for diplomatic posts.”

    Ah yes, you mean like Silvio Berlusconi? The most corrupt, bent and dodgy politician in Europe? Italians are all crooks and on the take.

    “I also see no problem with her election. She was unanimously appointed by democratically elected heads of government.”

    You mean like Gordon Brown? I don’t remember any public electorate voting him in either.

    Lucius, you talk complete and utter claptrap, and you really ought to stop believing the bollocks politicians spout.

  16. RobN:

    I say Italians, precisely because they are corrupt and dodgy. Have you ever checked the history of Italy? How much territory they have gained, even though they have lost almost every war? Give me an Italian diplomat over a Swedish one any day.

    Gordon Brown is a unique case. The rest of them WERE elected, because the parliamentary systems of most European countries don’t allow for such anomalies to happen.

    I can’t imagine the EU without GB, and vice-versa. But if you really think that the EU has somehow caused your ginormous deficit, then fine, leave. We’ll see how that pans out.

  17. Regardless of Cathy’s previous work on gay rights, you have to look at why she has been given this position. Is it because member states think she will work to further gay rights? Or is it because they think she will be a bit of a push over and not challenge their autonomy?

    http://stevehynd.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/welcome-to-cathy-ashton/

  18. Sister Mary Clarence 21 Nov 2009, 8:10pm

    Just to clarify a few issues here, Norway and several of its Scandie neighbours did not sign up to the EU but they did have the sense to sign up to what a lot of us thought we had signed up to but hadn’t.

    EFTA preference (European Free Trade Association) preference has for years given the EFTA countries reciprocal trading arrangements with EU countries, permitting a ‘common market’. Several countries such as Sweden and Austria have now been sucked into the Federal State but several others still enjoy preferential trading agreements whilst still being outside through ETTA preference.

    The for and against lobbies always seem to overlook the third option available to us, which is to exit the Union and maintain trade via EFTA preference.

  19. Sister Mary Clarence 21 Nov 2009, 8:12pm

    As for Cathy, she might be Florence Nightingale rised from the dead, but she is an unelected political nobody, of almost no note whatsoever

  20. Oh, but Schwester, you would lose your international punch, whatever there is left of it. You can’t just revert to the “good ol’ days” that easily, can you now?

    And lets examine the Scandinavia:

    Denmark, Sweden, Finland – all happily in the EU
    Norway – going there
    Iceland – almost there

    I think the EU ought to open itself a lot more to the people, so that it doesn’t become a scapegoat for just about every domestic issue, which is the case in the UK. Transparency, openness and effectivity; what has been achieved for what amount of money. I too would like to know that.

  21. Simon Murphy 22 Nov 2009, 4:35am

    Britain to leave the EU?

    Like that’s going to happen.

    Unless of course Britain wants to become the 51st state of the US.

    Because let’s face it. Britain is too small to remain a major player on its own.

  22. Sister Mary Clarence 22 Nov 2009, 4:55am

    Lucius, Switzerland however is not got any intention of joining the EU following referendum indicating that its people didn’t want it.

    In 1994 it bgan negotitations with the EU to safegaurd its economic interests with the EU. As a result 10 treaties were negotiated covering a broad spectrum of issues:

    Free movement of people, Air traffic, Road traffic, Agriculture, Technical trade barriers, Public procurement, Science, Security and asylum (Schengen membership), Cooperation in fraud pursuits, and Final stipulations in open questions about agriculture, environment, media, education, care of the elderly, statistics and
    services.

    These treaties allow the Swiss to integrate into the rest of the EU without being subsumed by it. It controls its currency, its borders, its laws. It governs itself.

    I have no problem with the original idea behind the EU, a ‘common market’, as presented at the time, but a centrally governed single state, I am totally opposed to.

  23. 21 Simon Murphy

    “Britain to leave the EU?

    Like that’s going to happen.

    Unless of course Britain wants to become the 51st state of the US.

    Because let’s face it. Britain is too small to remain a major player on its own. ”

    Independence is worth more than “influence”; Britain should no more be “the 51st state” than it should the 25th state of Europe.

    Funny how those usually rabidly anti-imperialist use imperialist ideals of “influence” and “major players” to further their European Federalist views.

    Free trade for all, free independence, freedom, not oppressive socialist/federalist dogma.

  24. Simon Murphy 23 Nov 2009, 3:14pm

    No 23: Harkowz: you say “Independence is worth more than “influence”; Britain should no more be “the 51st state” than it should the 25th state of Europe.”

    Fair enough.

    But let’s see what happens if Britain decides to leave the EU.

    The EU is FAR bigger than Britain and will be far better able to negotiate favourable energy and trade deals with Russia and China. And if Britain leaves then the EU can negotiate a better deal for itself at Britain’s expense if it so wishes.

    If Britain wants to go it alone, then by all means they can do that.

    All it will mean is than 25 years later Britain will be begging to rejoin the EU for much less favourable conditions.

    I mean keeping the pound has hardly protected the British economy during the recession has it.

  25. We would be better off without the EU – All for going alone!

  26. “Unless of course Britain wants to become the 51st state of the US.”

    Eh, you already are! As clearly seen how you lap dogged up the back side of that intellectual Neanderthal, George W Bush, during his last term. “Special Relationship”? Sure is, the US urinates all over Britain and you still ask for more, all the while blaming your “loss of sovereignty” on the EU. That’s pretty special to me.

  27. Lucius: The EU costs this country £4m a **DAY!!**(And we are not even fully in it) – the fact that we haven’t even got that sort of money and have to borrow it at some unknown, Godforsaken interest rate is reason enough why we shouldn’t be in there. That’s how we can pay the salaries of these chinless wonders to generate even more bureaucracy and bullsh!t. That and every “European” that wants to freely marches across our borders and utilises our system for whatever they can get, says to me we are better off without them. Norway is quite happy with staying out of it, and has no intention of doing otherwise, and Iceland is only doing it because the European banks bankrupted them.

    Simon Murphy: “Britain is too small to remain a major player on its own.”

    Yeah mate, that’s why we once ruled half the planet from this little island, (Including yours).

  28. She is a known antisemite who does not respect Jewish life. How stupid to have made this hater and fool the EU Foreign Minister.

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