Comments on: Tories’ lesbian candidate just beats BNP in race for third place in Glasgow North East by-election

By: Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:28:06 +0000

I think it is encouraging to see the Tory party put forward an openly lesbian candidate in an election without making a big thing of it. It’s a progression which would have been hard to imagine during the Thatcher years. As for the parties the Tories have aligned themselves with in Europe. You will never find a party where the views of individuals within it are completely consistent. I wonder what the former Labour education secretary Ruth Kelly’s views on homosexuality were? Please enlighten me if anyone knows.

By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:37:58 +0000

Brian, posssibly not as old as you, but old enough to remember the pre-Thatcher years, and the destruction of the ecomony as the unions torn them and the country apart.

I seem to remember then that Labour left power with the country on the verge of bankruptcy – so looks like left or right, either way we’re doomed

By: Chester

Chester — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:32:10 +0000

Christian values like murdering gays, lesbians and bisexuals? or the ones where it’s ok to lie? the term ‘Christian values’ is meaningless as it’s used to mean many different contradictory ideas

By: Harvey

Harvey — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:41:02 +0000

Brian:- Actually I’m talking common sense. No one suggests panic but you and many others are being naive. If you and the like don’t wanna believe whats happening then clearly you have yourself to blame. Oh and yes we get it you’ve “been round the block”. In Dagenham and Barking which has a white population of just 18%, the lowest in the country they have 12 BNP councillors. Nick Griffin has just announced he plans to stand for election there. What makes you think he won’t get in? Has the been round the block left you so blind to whats happening or maybe you’ve gotten to old to care what’s left behind for the rest of us!

And before anyone starts spoutin racism, my point is:- with such a low percentage of white people in Dagenham & Barking how can there be 12 BNP councillors?

By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:08:12 +0000

Harvey,
Your a right ‘Gloom ‘n Doom’ merchant. So, you want us all to panic and run around like head-less chichens? The BNP have not got a single MP in Westminster, nor are they likely to have in the forseeable future. Our heads are out of the sand, go and Boil yours!

By: Harvey

Harvey — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:00:32 +0000

People, Now that Nick Griffin is standing for MP in Dagenham & Barking where their are already 12 councillors, Wake Up!! If you sheep don’t get your heads out of the sand and start seeing that people are turning to them NOT because they are’facists’ but because they feel they are being ignored on other events I do predict they will start to succeed and with it in time our rights many have worked hard for Will slowly decline!! Wake Up NOW!

By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:44:05 +0000

Sister Mary Clarence,
I am sorry, I don’t know how old you are but for myself, I have been around the block a good few times. I remember Premier Harold MacMillan telling us, ‘You’ve never had it so good.’ You see the people you complain of, succsessive Governments have been happy to sweep that problem under the carpet because no Government since 1945 has not applied any kind of structure to deal with people on long time benifits. The last right winger in power to come a cropper was Maggie Thatcher and the Poll-Tax riots. Right wing politics when applied always lead to civil-disorder. It is harmony with the majority a Government should seek, not confontation. And, by majority I don’t mean ‘First past the post’ 43% minority Government that I’ve seen before Blairs 1997 landslide. Sorry if you think I was rather rude, I apologise!

By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:23:27 +0000

Brian, I’m afraid you completely misunderstand me. This country has for years been invaded by peoples from overseas of imported workers as and when suits.

The perception of the BNP is that if you are white you are British. I’m not sure where their ‘immigrant’ cut off lies in history, but in reality most ‘Indigenous British’, which I think what they like to refer to them as, are probably from German, Scandinavian, or Italian origin.

As long as Britain provides good opportunities for immigrant workforce, we will continue to immigration into this country. As long as the government keeps throwing money at ‘Indigenous British’ people to languish at home all day on benefits the flood gates are open immigrant workers to come in and do the low paid jobs, as they have done for centuries. What we are now seeing is those immigrant workers have worked hard (paying taxes along the way, which are then paid out to others often not wishing work in lower paid employment), and are now reaping the benefits of starting at the bottom and working hard, but way of promotion and career advancement. Good luck to them as far as I’m concerned if they have worked hard, contributed to the economy and done well, they deserve to be rewarded for it.

You’re right in some respects about me sounding right wing, because I’m about to. I’d like to see the indigenous population, or any others, that have got no intention of ever doing any work, or contributing to society, being shipped overseas if anyone is going to. Personally I cannot afford to support a seemingly ever increasing number of people who think its their God given RIGHT to claim benefits. The welfare state was supposed to be a safety net, not a way of life. People have lost their way, and I’m fed up waiting for tem to find it again.

I recently had a discussion with a mate of one of my mates, who was complaining about Eastern Europeans coming over and taking jobs so he couldn’t get one. I pointed out to him that he’s never had a job in 23 years, and the Eastern Europeans hadn’t actually been here that long.

If an influx of well skilled, hard working immigrants is what it takes to make people realise that life isn’t about taking every handout you can from society, its about working hard, learning skills that are of benefit, and using the skills, knowledge and abilities you have to benefit both society and yourself. As is invariably the case, we have bought everything that is happening on ourselves, as again as is invariably the case, there are those amongst us who would seek to blame others for our own errors.

By: Rich

Rich — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:14:04 +0000

BNP – the budding flower has thorns – beware of the soft exterior – these people are Nazis plain and simple and millions of peoiple died to rid the planet of them. Sadly they are growing again – don’t be fooled by their glib speeches and friendly approach – these are nasty vicious wolves in sheep clothing.

By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:08 +0000

Simon Murphy,
It’s Christian values and all that goes with it that has kept my Country stable unlike your Country that uses Religion for sectarianism, hate and murder. Stick that down your prejudiced gym-slip!

By: Matt Sephton

Matt Sephton — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:39:11 +0000

Well done Ruth! She put up a good show and was a super candidate! She will make an excellent MP one day I’m sure!

And, as Ben Summerskill of Stonewall pointed out in the past month, he’s confident that there’ll be more out LGBT MPs on the Conservativ benches than any other after the next election! A definite move forward for the LGBT cause!

By: Harvey

Harvey — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:54:44 +0000

If a lot of you only vote Labour because you like what you hear despite the mess we’re in the why should it be different with any other party with voters who don’t know where to look? Surely Labour are getting your vote because you darn’t look anywhere else, the BNP are facists, the Tories are homophobic…. yet people can’t get into there heads that a lot of people are actually not voting tory not because of there so called homophobic views there is a lot more besides. Homophobia probably doesn’t even enter the heads of most voters. Why would you kid yourself that people voting for the BNP are any different, voters that just want to be heard and no voice in the 3 main parties. May I remind you that in Dagenham and Barking there are now 12 BNP councillors!

By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:45:58 +0000

Simon Murphy,
Of course She will be put where ever the Torys think she’ll win. That is the way Polotics has been since time immamorial and will continue untill the system is changed and that cannot be too soon dear boy!

By: Harvey

Harvey — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:44:25 +0000

There’s non so blind…

By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:37:27 +0000

Sylvia Howard,
You have seen and been entirely fooled by what you have read and seen on the BNP website, that’s a neat job they’ve done in that case.
Harvey, I’ve already told you what I think!

By: Harvey

Harvey — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:01:55 +0000

Sylvia Howard – Very well put. Sadly we seem to live in a climate that people just don’t get it. Dare you mention it then you become a racist. Unless a lot of these heads stuck in the sand remove them, these extremist parties will succeed! I wouldn’t be suprised if the BNP have at least 1 or 2 MPs in Parliament after the next general election.

By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:54:31 +0000

Lest we forget.

The Tories respect christianity.

And the type of christians who support the Tories on a deeper level are foaming-at-the-mouth bigots.

By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:50:58 +0000

This Tory lesbian bint will be parachuted into another constituency (which she has no relation to) before the next election.

It will be a safe seat that the party will expect her to win.

The fact that she is a lesbian will be used by the Tory machine to pretend they are not trying to erode our rights.

By: Sylvia Howard

Sylvia Howard — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:58:39 +0000

Sorry for hogging another page, but I would just like to add another point if I may. I don’t know if any of you have ever logged on to the BNP wesite and checked out the people attending meetings. I have, and I had a shock. They look nothing like the skin head knuckle draggers the media told us they were. And then off course there are the leaked lists, two of them recently. They are full of Doctors, accountants, Soldiers high up in the military and lower down, Lawyers, Professors and so on. Then you have ordinary families and pensioners. The reason I am pointing this out, is that you can’t say they are all idiots and fascists. I would never vote for them. But I wouldn’t be stupid enough to just brush this off.

By: Sylvia Howard

Sylvia Howard — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:27:12 +0000

To Harvy I would say, that being British, is Englih, Irish, Scotish, or Welsh. When the earliet people split up and formed their own comunities and later countries, that is when they shaped their culture and identity. Identity is very important, because it is the glue that holds societies together. Before the war everyone knew each other, and everyone stuck together. It wasn’t perfect because we all know what gays suffered in those times. And single mums were frowned on. My mother was a single mum. Immigration has made the indigenous people feel they are nothing. If an African can arrive and after a while call himself English, then what are we? Reverse it and emigrate to Africa, will they see you as African? Of course not. You can be a citizen, but you will never be and African. The three parties just don’t get it. This is why the BNP will do well.