Come on David. Mixed messages much? Either you’re against homophobia, in which case sort out your policies & grassroot supporters in this regard, or you’re not, in which case own up and say so.
Keep a careful and verifiable record of every word uttered about this by Cameron, our aspiring One-Nation-Tory Prime Minister. Holding him to it when and if he is in No 10 looks to be a full-time job. He is already in hock to the Right and dealing with them with the necessary ruthlessness can’t be expected.
Do we even need to discuss the Tory record on gay rights? If it came down to it we all know which side the Conservatives would come down on – the clue is the name people!
In the last vote over Free Speech “NOT ONE SINGLE” Tory MP voted in support of the gay community, see for yourselves:
So “David” has a deal been made between you and the BBC?????
Once again he’s lying through his teeth. Once he’s in power, he’ll switch, twist and twitch what he said over and over. 99% of the conservative house think the gay community is a fair game.
Good For Dave C to stand up and supports Stonewall’s campaign. I for one think he should be given a chance, people and parties can change, Labour did to become more Tory. Lets not forget that had people not changed their ideas about gay people we wouldn’t be where we are today!
If people insist on living in the past(above comments)how can things change for the better in the future.
Put the blinking police on the streets David! Coppers have repeatedly refused to walk the beat which is why the government came up with these PCSO lego men.
Gay people aren’t abused and beaten up in gay bars, it os on the streets on their way home or in their estates.
If police were about on the streets looking for and PREVENTING CRIME rather than having strategy meetings and driving round in cars looking busy or stopping drivers who exceed the speed limit by 1 mph, we might stop homophobic attacks.
Surrounding yourself with some celebrities and giving our leaflets in gar bars does not address the problem, coppers on the street doing their job do.
And as for Skin, when is that woman going to bring our some new music? Sing woman, sing, you were in the best band of the 90s – come back!
I’m not party political, but I do worry about the Tories getting in, from a gay point of view. David seems a nice enough chap for an ex-Eton schoolboy, but my concern is that he is a mask for the homophobic dinosaurs underneath, who may try to ease him out or tie his hands. I guess we need to know how strong the modernising tendency is in the Tory party, or whether it’s just a front to get into power.
Well till Iain Duncan Smith gets going as the “minister for the family”! He`s got no time for us whatsoever. His first target is lesbian mothers. Next is the abortion time limit. Then its “son of Clause 28″.
I just want to reply to John(Derbyshire) who mentioned the abortion time limit. My sister is a peadatric nurse and as such, I think the limit should be lowered anyway because she often cares for babies which are of an age that they could have been aborted. I am for abortion but it is currently possible to abort children who are viable to survive on their own and this I cannot agree with!
With you on that Sammy!!
Well done David Cameron! The Stonewall campaign against homophobic bullying in schools is a vital one in our battle against homophobia and I’m glad to see the Leader of the Opposition supporting it.
With regards to a potential Conservative Government and LGBT representation, the Conservatives have already selected dozens of openly LGBT candidates for the next General Election, many in very winnable seats. The Party Vice Chair, Margot James, is openly lesbian & likely to be the next MP for Stourbridge, openly-gay Iain Stewart only needs a 1% swing to become the next MP for Milton Keynes South. And that is just to name two. On top of this there are already THREE openly gay Conservative shadow ministers.
Ben Summerskill of Stonewall has publicly stated his thouughts on this in the past month by commenting that after the next General Election there will be more openly LGBT MPs on the Conservative benches above any other Party. True commitment for the LGBT community and a great sign for the furtherance of LGBT equality under a Conservative Government.
Cameron is ‘Bandwaggoning’ again the silly man!
That Cleggy has his finger on the button!
I wouldn’t call potentially having the biggest number of openly-LGBT MPs after the next election “bandwaggoning”, Brian!
It is fantastic to see David supporting the campaign.
I agree with Harevy above, if people insist on living in the past then how can anything move forward.
The Conservatives have a large number of LGBT candidates in winnable seats at the next election and already have openly gay MP’s in shadow ministerial positions.
Labour can live in the past if they wish. We prefer to look to the future and concentrate on changing peoples lives for the better should we win the next election, no matter what sexuality, race, religion they are.
All that David is doing is playing party politics. The grassroots od the Tory Party have not changed in regard to thier real beliefs in regard to LGBT issues. Having said this his sentiments and actions are to be welcomed.
Harvey, Post (6): Living in the past? The date of the latest vote that contained both implicit and explicit homophobia was 9th Nov 2009 (at 9:30pm, actually!). All conservative members voted to retain a special clause that specifically permits the legitimate denunciation of homosexuality. Now, I am not supporter of this law (in general) – but can you imagine a free speech ammendment being brought in to permit criticism of a certain race??? The law, in this case, is institutionally homophobic in that it subjugates the rights and recognitions of sexuality-based identity as an immutable characteristic. The point is – all conservatives voted for homophobia (I say again, on the 9th Nov 2009 at 9:30pm.)
Matt (post 15) – you wouldn’t call it bandwagoning?? Nor would I – to think about it. I would call it pretty bloody successful bandwagoning – judging by the effects it’s having on the some of the threads above.
Look – there are openly gay members of the conservative party – woophey dee – there always have been! It doesn’t mean that they are not self-loathing and shamed members, either. If I was Alan Duncan, for instance, and was instructed by the whip to vote for a homophobic ammednment to retain in law – I think I would feel shame and denial.
Just an alternative narrative.
And just to be clear openly gay* in the post above represents the relationship between MP’s and the leadership, in times gone by, which is where my argument is situated. As opposed to ‘publicly’. Just to avoid confusion.
Like I said, ‘Bandwaggoning.’ Once they have us in the bag, they will tie the top and throw LGBT to the wolves.
Brian, your naivity really is astonishing!
Why do political opponents seek to create division on issue such as homophobic bullying when, judging by David Cameron’s statement, there is none? More needs to be done in schools – regardless of which political Party is in control of the local education authority or which leader is in Downing Street.
I see we’re getting all the usual nonsense from the lefties. I’ve been a Tory Party member for almost 27 years and have never experienced any homophobia from within the Party. In fact, up until 1997, most gay rights legislation was introduced by Conservative Governments. The left also always, always conveniently forget that the Labour front bench supported Section 28 when it was introduced.
These people are just annoyed that we’re likley to win the General Election and are trying to scare gay voters into not supporting us. Well, from my experience, most gay voters are a bit more intelligent than that and know exactly on which side their bread is buttered on a whole host of issues that affect them.
Maybe soon Labour will stop using the LGBT community for political point scoring purposes.
n response to Suzi – The grassroots of the party do not form a Government and nor do they decide on policy. MPs do both of those things and according to Ben Summerskill the Conservatives will have the largest number of LGBT MPs in the Commons.
Brian – Your comments are not worth responding to, they are so ridiculous .
Surely an issue such as this should get cross party support, instead it is used by Labour to present yet another chapter of their scare mongering book to the LGBT community. I am glad that LGBT people have more common sense than to take notice.
Every conservative member present in the House of Commons voted to retain the Waddington amendment. Cameron, Alan Duncan, and Nick Herbert were not present. Is it the case that these three were likely to be ashamed by the expected homophobic responses of their colleagues? The retaining of this amendment is likely to give comfort to those who wish to encourage homophobia. Only a gay fool could offer support to such a homophobic party. If they get into power the homophobes such as the bigot Duncan Smith will start to exert pressure on Cameron to row back on gay rights.
Neville, there was no homophobia in Westminster this week–or, at least, certainly not in the vote on the Waddington amendment. What was at stake there was not LGBT equality but freedom of speech and expression. Lesbian and gay Britons are already equal under the law. We must stop whinging to the government like a three year old to his mum every single time we feel like we’ve been bullied. The laws to adequately protect LGBT people are already on the books. Laws can only do so much, and the last thing we need is to incur resentment and wrath from those on the fence who may believe laws like this are a step too far. (Which, by the way, they are.) Indeed, the Waddington Amendment mirrors a protection given to people speaking out against religion, an amendment many on this board undoubtedly are grateful for, as I routinely see LGBT people being extremely nasty toward orthodox Christians and Muslims and their deeply held beliefs. What needs to happen now is *enforcement*, and the LGBT community must stop playing victim and start actively changing the hearts and minds we’ve yet to win.
Saying that the vote on the Waddington amendment is Tory homophobia diminishes the tragedy of true homophobia, like the beating of James Parkes or the murder of Michael Causer. Some gran in Norwich calling us sodomites is ignorant and bigoted, but it really ought to be the least of our concerns right now.
Harvey said it best when he said that we have to stop living in the past. This isn’t 1988. Parties and people change, and what was socially acceptable 21 years ago isn’t socially acceptable today. We’ve come a long way, and so have the Tories. Are they perfect? No. Neither is Labour or the LibDems. But when looking at the broader scope–who can best protect all Britons, including LGBT Britons, from crime; who can provide more jobs and reinvigorate the economy; who will improve the schools our children and LGBT youths attend, both in terms of eliminating bullying and improving the overall education; and who will best foster a sense of community and national pride–it becomes clear that a vote for the Tories is a vote for the LGBT community and, indeed, Britain as a whole.
Read your blog article abour Lillian Ladele. I doubt the Conservative Party would take your position – why not put the question to David Cameron to find out? He certainly won’t answer and you might eventually conclude that the party is homophobic after all.
Skylar (post 27) – whilst your sentiments are lovely, your position is extremely naive. Do you not see the connection between implicit cultural homophobia and it’s explosive and symptomatic manifestations? You give your trust to the conservatives – fine. You have made your bed…….
I wish I was naive, I do not know how old you are, but I have been around the block quit a few times, In fact since Harold MacMillan told the nation, ‘You’ve Never Had It So Good.’ and IDS is not my idea of a LGBT family man!
Skylar has hit it right on the head and thank you too! We are protected like everyone else but also even gay Lords say this amendment would create homophobia. Are we now as gay people saying we want to be not equal but more protected than anyone else? have more rights than anyone else? If this is the case it will back-fire. We Will create homophobia in others. Most of you hear live in the past. You can’t move on to pastures green. You can’t even try something new. How can we expect others to do the same? Now matter how bad we get under Labour you still support it just because of 1 thing that they may support gay issues. Don’t forget people on here get upset because some story about Peter Mandelson critising a paper over a letter to a dead soldiers’ mother as not worthy new for the Pink P. What makes you think gay news is worthy of most of the population which I doubt even give it a thought? Have we come a long way just to now stay stuck and not able to move ahead and try new things?
Gavin F:You really shouldn’t get cocky about a Tory win. Like a lot of people I would have vote Tory just to get Labour out. A bit like when Labour got in to get rid of the Tories. It had nothing to do with policy but just the fact people are sick of the current lot. However like a lot of others I won’t be voting Tory due to Dude Dave sell out on the referendum. I will be voting but for None of the 3 main parties! The next election will be the lowest turn-out of voters on record because there’s not much to vote for. However I feel if you don’t vote for someone you can’t whinge about things.
I’m not so sure the Tories are going to win the next election. They have a habit of alienating vast sways of the voting public. For example they have aliened 13.5 million women employed in the UK, by demanding that it would be to expensive for the country to equalize the pay gap. Also they have alienated 3.5 million of the gay community and more recently the Ministry of Defense’s 90,000 employs. Also they are alienating the Gray vote by promising to cut the heating allowance and the free bus pass.
In order for the Tories to “win outright” the next election they need a big swing (as big as the Labour Swing in 1997) and I can’t see that happening at the moment.
@ Gavin F: I frankly couldn’t care less if your fellow tory members aren’t homophobic to your face. What I do care about is the fact that they vote against any legislation that is designed to help gay people have equal rights in our country. Try to deny us our rights, but then say “they were nice to me at last night’s dinner party though”. No wonder no-one believes their hypocritical lies. When the Tory MPs start voting en-masse in favour of legislation that helps us, then I might consider voting for them, not before.
P.S: We LGBT people are NOT equal under the law. Not being allowed to marry (just as straight people are not allowed Civil Partnerships) and lack of burial rights to name but two examples.
P.P.S: Burial rights in the US I meant to say, but they are of course LGBT people as well. Oh, and rights in regard to IVF treatment here in the UK.
Well I’m convinced Cameron will be given the ‘Last Rights’ at the next election!
@ Richard (post 28)
I definitely see the connection between cultural homophobia and hate crimes, but I don’t think further laws are the solutions. I think education on the part of the LGBT community–with the help of schools, churches, etc–is important. You can’t legislate away hatred. Those people may not articulate their homophobia, but it will still fester in their hearts. And if they don’t articulate it–for fear of prosecution or whatever reason–how can we as a society seek to enlighten them? We may never know until it’s too late.
The fact is Labour–and those in the LGBT community who support it–are so convinced that government and legislation is always the answer. It isn’t. In this case, I honestly think Stonewall’s anti-bullying campaign will have more of a direct impact on curbing homophobia than would some law which tells religious people they can’t call us abominations.