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Trans writer defends ‘offensive’ Jesus, Queen of Heaven play

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  1. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Nov 2009, 2:34pm

    “The people who angered Jesus were the scribes, Pharisees and hypocrites – the people who were deeply prejudiced, those who passed judgment on people they did not know.

    “Being transsexual, I think an awful lot about where ­prejudice comes from.”

    You’ve got that right, Jo.

    You have more support than you can even suspect.

    Christian are in fact losing their relevance in the 21st Century, and people like you are prepared to save authentic spirituality.

    As for the demonstrations, think of it as free publicity!!

    Don’t stop writing, whatever you do!

  2. Brody Levesque 5 Nov 2009, 2:40pm

    I find it refreshing that there are artists who still rise to the challenge of being creative while under fire from those whose viewpoints would rather have all of us [humanity] enclosed in a glass box in a homogenised existence.
    It becomes tiresome to hear of the onslaught of never ending attacks from the religious fundamentalists of ANY stripe or persuasion. Well done Ms. Clifford, brillant!

  3. theotherone 5 Nov 2009, 3:26pm

    to ambitious is better than writing soap operas.

  4. Congratulations to Jo; I hope it will be coming to London. I look forward to seeing it.

    This is another case of reliiogus bullying by that silly little institute in Newcastle, and other fanatics.

  5. “Christian are in fact losing their relevance in the 21st Century, and people like you are prepared to save authentic spirituality.”

    I’d say that the radical Christians – the ones who are all about emulating Jesus’s radically inclusive acceptance and compassion, courage in standing up against ritual, law and custom wherever it clashed with plain humanity, non-violent resistance against injustice, and support of the oppressed against the tyrant – will never lose their relevance.

    I’m amused by the idea some of these protestors have that they know the mind of God, though it’s dreadfully sad that they’re unable to face their fear and ask for the courage to live “in the Spirit”.

  6. I wonder how many of the critics/protesters have actually seen the play and KNOW what they are objecting to … wouldn’t surprise me at all if the answer is NONE!!!!

  7. Brian Burton 5 Nov 2009, 8:57pm

    Speaking as a Gay Chritian I an very happy that Jo has written and staring in this play. What people do not generally realize is that Jesus is whatever you want Jesus to be. Jesus is all things to all people. And his name is Love, the Love which passes all human understanding, there is something exquisite In this play…Jesus as whatever we want or even imagine we see. Only the fundamentalists take up the high moral tone and when that high moral tone occures it creates trouble. This play is a joyous delve into the imagination which in itself is a manifestation of Love.

  8. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 5 Nov 2009, 10:39pm

    Bah! They’ll be saying Jesus was a JEW next!

  9. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 5 Nov 2009, 10:47pm

    I think those BNP Nazis who dragged themselves up as Christians for that little Nuremberg-style torchlit parade of theirs are actually into the devil anyway – they’d hate everything about Jesus, especially if he turned out to be trans as well as having long hair and beard, being from the middle-east and being Jewish!

  10. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 5 Nov 2009, 11:09pm

    One thing: The Christian Institute is just a front for the BNP.

  11. Brian Burton 6 Nov 2009, 7:30am

    Miriam, You sound as though you Love the BNP and hate everything else!?

  12. Brian Burton 6 Nov 2009, 7:35am

    Tranz Shmiriam nutter!

  13. Brian, go and lubricate your crucifix and insert it, forcefully! By the way, anyone is welcome to bring Jesus around to my place for afternoon tea. Dont bother to bring Mary, because no one at my place is a virgin!

  14. Brian Burton 6 Nov 2009, 5:52pm

    Brenton, Up yours too dear with knobbs on!

  15. Hmm. I sometimes wonder if people write this crap just to stir up a hornet’s nest. (Sound familiar? ;) )

    On one hand, folk go into apoplexy over some ambiguously written article in a daily rag about some has-been gay pop star, and there are calls to the police, yet stuff like this isn’t seen as antagonistic, at best.

    What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander. I really don’t mind either way, but let’s have a level playing field, can we?

  16. gentle lamb 8 Nov 2009, 4:46pm

    Well done… Jesus is God to trans people as well.
    Singapore

  17. The truth 8 Nov 2009, 5:04pm

    Kathy Griffin was right: Jesus *can* suck it.

  18. Brian Burton 8 Nov 2009, 6:01pm

    Truth,
    Not you again you hidious reaching bucket of vomit!

  19. Brian Burton 9 Nov 2009, 4:24pm

    We all go through Transition of some kind or other in our lives. Jesus was no exception, nore would He want to be. If I went to see this play and she looked into my eyes I would say: “What d’ya want to make those eyes at me for, if they don’t mean what they say? They make me glad they make me sad, they make me want a lot of thing that I never had. Your foolin’ around with me now, you love me and then you run away. Well thats alright, I’ll get you alone tonight and Jesus you’ll find your playing with dynamite. What d’ya wanna make those eyes at me for If they don’t mean what they say ahay hay, If they don’t mean… what they say….?

  20. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:22pm

    “If I went to see this play and she looked into my eyes I would say: “What d’ya want to make those eyes at me for, if they don’t mean what they say? They make me glad they make me sad, they make me want a lot of thing that I never had. Your foolin’ around with me now, you love me and then you run away. Well thats alright, I’ll get you alone tonight and Jesus you’ll find your playing with dynamite. What d’ya wanna make those eyes at me for If they don’t mean what they say ahay hay, If they don’t mean… what they say….?”

    Aaahhh…Brian Burton “Nutter”?……or just gone for a “Burton”???

  21. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:25pm

    Btw Brian you don’t sound like a ‘Gay Christian'; more like a Nazi schmuck:)

  22. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:26pm

    Ohh…and I couldn’t care less about YOUR BNP.

  23. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:29pm

    …And btw Jesus actually was a JEW, you anti-semitic fool.

  24. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:33pm

    Oh…and I DON’T “love the BNP” as some of my relatives died in the holocaust and I’ll be reporting you for hate crime, you pathetic fascist schmuck!

  25. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:40pm

    “Well thats alright, I’ll get you alone tonight and Jesus you’ll find your playing with dynamite,”

    Piss off homophobic/transpobic/misogynist rapist!

  26. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 9:41pm

    Boy…this is fun:)

  27. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 10 Nov 2009, 11:34pm

    Btw…well done with play, Jo.

  28. Brian Burton 11 Nov 2009, 8:21am

    Miriam Dearest, Get back into the Bible Where you belong.
    You can only do yourself a Trans-mischief on the Pink threads!

  29. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 11 Nov 2009, 7:47pm

    Brian, I’d like to apologize for some of awful things I wrote about you the other day on this and other threads.

    I was upset about what you wrote about me, and I don’t know why you wrote it because my comments were intended to be a satirical attack on the BNP and far-right religious bigotry. Like most people in this country, I DO NOT love the BNP and DO NOT and WILL NOT vote for them. I feel that either you misinterpreted my comments as anti-semitic support for the far-right – or (and I sincerely hope this isn’t true) you are trying to wind me up because you are a member of the far-right yourself.

    Either way, there is NO EXCUSE for some of the disgusting comments I posted against you afterwards and I’d like to make a request that the Pink News mods delete them, please – as much of my rants are totally nasty, entirely baseless, hurtful and deeply unfair to you. I still believe your assertion that I sympathise with holocaust-denying BNP to be totally unfair, too – but the things you said about me are nowhere near as nasty and disgusting as the things I said to you. There was no excuse for me losing my temper in such a fanatical way. I’d had a very bad day and I was drunk and I lost my self-control – but again, that’s no excuse.

    In short: I’m ashamed of the pathetic way I reacted towards your criticism and consequently the way I behaved towards you. I’ve wronged you and I’m very sorry, Brian.

  30. Brian Burton 11 Nov 2009, 10:16pm

    Miriam, I feel overwhelmed by your words and of course everything is ok. Of course you are forgiven, I am in contact with Transmen and Transwoman. If you look up on these threads the Jewish man with his back to the camera, you will see I’m very pro-Isreal! I don’t know If you want to, but if you click on ‘MY’ in the left-hand top of the page, fill in your details and you will see my photo and profile. My name on there is ‘Burty!’ see you there Miriam…OK?

  31. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 11 Nov 2009, 10:57pm

    Sorry I was such an a**hole, Brian. Re-reading my initial posts nos.8 to 10 I can now see how many people would have found it offensive as it probably is difficult to work out whether I’m having poking fun at the anti-trans right-wing religious extremists (of any religion) or if I’m actually one of them. I wrote some fairly provocative things there – I’m supportive of Jo’s play – I think it’s a great idea and the intention was to poke fun at some of the narrow-minded people who were protesting against the play – but I can see where such an approach can backfire. I’m sorry if I made other people feel upset or uncomfortable, too and I’m particularly sorry for being so obnoxious to you, Brian. I feel really embarassed and ashamed now – thanxxxxx for being much smarter and stronger than I could ever be – you’ve probably got enough to deal with, without idiots like me screaming irrational insults at you over the Internet. I really need to stop behaving the way I do – and be a bit less paranoid and a LOT more mentally balanced for starters. Anyway, take care and look after yourself, honey x

  32. Brian Burton 12 Nov 2009, 8:02am

    Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam,
    Say no more about it and put it behind you. It takes someone of character to apologise as you did so hold that thought. Life is’nt fair to any one of us Miriam, I have just gotten over Bowl-Canser and am lucky to be talking to you now. My Partner and I took Civil Partnership in 2006 although we have been together for thirty nine years. We are still crazy about each other so Love dose endure. Take life one step at a time Miriam if you can my dear. Always think like this: “As good as you are and as bad as I am, I’m as good as you are as bad as I am!” Cherrio and Love to you xx.

  33. Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam 15 Nov 2009, 12:22am

    Thank you so much for your forgiveness and your wise advice, Brian. Plus I can see that your words really come from the heart. I’m so sorry that you were ill and I hope that you are well on the way to recovery now. I feel so bad about what I wrote. You’re so kind when you say that I’m a person of character, but I’m afraid that for much of the time I don’t live up to being a decent person and when I wake up and see this I live to regret it. I say things and regret saying them afterwards because I realize that I become exactly as bad as the things (like the BNP) that I denounce. In contrast, I doubt I could ever be so strong and such a great teacher as you – you must have been through so much. God bless you and your partner and thank you xxx for your wisdom.

  34. Brian Burton 15 Nov 2009, 7:04pm

    Miriam, the tranz Schmiriam,
    Love is fed by the imagination, by which we become wiser than we know, better than we feel, nicer than we are: by which we can see Life as a whole…Only what is good can feed… Love. But anything can feed hate.

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