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Scotland to give lesbians equal IVF rights

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  1. The Scottish Catholic Church has attacked the plans for new rules.

    A spokesman said: “It must be galling for people who are suffering from terrible illnesses, who can’t get the treatment they need, to see a frivolous waste of money on people who have chosen a lifestyle that is incompatible with having children.”

    How, exactly, Mr Spokesman? How does someone’s sexual orientation have anything to do with their ability to have or raise children? How?

    This is one of the many reasons why I’m glad I’m no longer Catholic. I cannot be part of an organisation that discriminates so unapologetically.

    This article, though, is one of the many reasons why I’m proud to be Scottish. :)

  2. John Macdonald 4 Nov 2009, 5:21am

    It is a privilege to have a child, not a right in the gay community. I am pushing to stop gay men donating our sperm to lesbians. It is morally wrong for gay men to be donating our sperm to lesbians. They have no right to have children and the world is so over populated it cannot sustain the population it has got. Us gay men must make and take a stand on this issue.

  3. Pumpkin Pie 4 Nov 2009, 9:38am

    About time!

    No matter what one’s opinion on IVF versus adoption, there is absolutely no coherent argument in the world that supports treating lesbian couples any different from infertile couples on this matter.

  4. @ John MacDonald: Who the hell appointed you to leader of the morality police? Having children is both a privilege and a right. Who the heck do you think you are to tell lesbian (and gay male couples incidentally) that they have no right to have children! My best friend and her partner (who are in a civil partnership and have been together for nearly 10 years now) are hoping to bear a child through IVF treatment here in Scotland. Say your pathetic view to their faces. Your views are as bigoted and stupid as the quote in post no.1 from the Catholic Church’s official view on the matter.

  5. I never know which fence to sit on when this subject comes up. So I am impartial to the idea. But It has to be the best written response I have seen in a long time.

    The Scottish Catholic Church has attacked the plans for new rules.

    A spokesman said: “It must be galling for people who are suffering from terrible illnesses, who can’t get the treatment they need, to see a frivolous waste of money on people who have chosen a lifestyle that is incompatible with having children.”

    The under tone maybe there but factually right.

  6. I’m sure they’ll be pleased.

  7. Tim Hopkins 4 Nov 2009, 1:33pm

    LornaM (#6): The quote you give from the Catholic Church is not factually right, it’s factually nonsense! “who have chosen a lifestyle that is incompatible with having children”

    “chosen”? What are they saying, that lesbian and gay people who want children should “choose” a relationship with someone of the opposite sex? How good would that be for the children? There’s lots of evidence of the huge harm done in the past to families where a lesbian or gay person has been pressured into a mixed-sex relationship.

    “incompatible with having children”? Lots of lesbian couples have children by DIY donor insemination with sperm provided by a friend, without going anywhere near NHS fertility services. Where that doesn’t work, and they need IVF, just like mixed-sex couples where sex doesn’t work and they need IVF, they should get it on the NHS.

  8. Stewart Cowan 4 Nov 2009, 10:24pm

    As usual, nobody thinks of the children. The selfish ‘I want’ attitude wins again.

  9. @ comment no.8: I think you’ll find that all studies conducted have shown gay parents to raise children equally as well as straight-couple children. Your comment about no-one thinking of the children seems to imply that the children of gay couples are somehow suffering or losing out. Thankfully there is a ton of evidence which disputes such myths.

  10. John Macdonald 5 Nov 2009, 5:01am

    If us gay men want to DENY Lesbians/women access to our sperm, we have every right to do so. We, as men have a duty to the world to help maintain the population. I want straight men to also join in the fight to curb the population of the world. And us gay men must not allow ourselves to be used in regards to this issue. We must not contribute to the burden and over population of the world any more. Adoption is where the gay community should go, as there are thousands of children world wide who need a home.

  11. If I were ever to choose to donate sperm to help a couple bear a child, I certainly wouldn’t let myself be “used” to do so. It would be after very careful thought & consideration and if I chose to do so it would be something I’d consider a great honour & privilege to have been asked to do.

    I agree with you John that there are a great many children in desperate need of adoption, and it is sad that there is a shortage of foster parents too, but that’s an entirely seperate issue from IVF, and I don’t buy into the notion that you take this view purely out of concern of global over-population for your stance in the issue of IVF & fertility treatments.

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