Comments on: Comment: The way forward for HIV prevention http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:38:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: veejay http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82386 veejay Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:18:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82386 don't want to change the subject to climate change, but evidence the earth is cooling at the moment does not conflict with climate change!!!!!!!! climate change works like this: (climate change for dummies!)if you keep pumping out noxious gases and if you keep reducing earth's green lungs, then without any doubt at all you're gonna screw up the atmosphere ...................... and if you screw up the atmosphere you screw up climate. what i keep noticing is the number of opinionated people with there noses stuck in the air who just aren't up to holding all of the data in their poor little heads at once - nobody can do it perfectly but some people are just soooooooooooo pathetic at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry if you suffer from a disability) don't want to change the subject to climate change, but evidence the earth is cooling at the moment does not conflict with climate change!!!!!!!!

climate change works like this: (climate change for dummies!)if you keep pumping out noxious gases and if you keep reducing earth's green lungs, then without any doubt at all you're gonna screw up the atmosphere …………………. and if you screw up the atmosphere you screw up climate.

what i keep noticing is the number of opinionated people with there noses stuck in the air who just aren't up to holding all of the data in their poor little heads at once – nobody can do it perfectly but some people are just soooooooooooo pathetic at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry if you suffer from a disability)

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]]> By: BSE http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82363 BSE Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:04:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82363 Of course Hodgkinson is going to be defending the film BECAUSE HE IS IN IT! It should be noted that Hodgkinson's denialist articles were published under Andrew Neil, then editor of the times. What does that have to do with it? Neil is the Chairman of Press Holdings, which owns the spectator... The fact that House of Numbness has won awards shows two major points: 1. As one would expect lovies at film festivals are not experts in HIV (and probably any of the subjects they screen films about.) 2. Awards at film festivals count for s*&T. Of course Hodgkinson is going to be defending the film BECAUSE HE IS IN IT! It should be noted that Hodgkinson's denialist articles were published under Andrew Neil, then editor of the times. What does that have to do with it? Neil is the Chairman of Press Holdings, which owns the spectator…

The fact that House of Numbness has won awards shows two major points:

1. As one would expect lovies at film festivals are not experts in HIV (and probably any of the subjects they screen films about.)

2. Awards at film festivals count for s*&T.

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82362 Eddy Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:02:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82362 Rob, "healthy people in the West get diagnosed with HIV"? Nope. No way. If the highly sensitive tests that now exist result in the diagnosis of HIV, then the individual is generally not "healthy" though he or she may APPEAR to be healthy. To be found to have HIV is to have a very serious condition. Only a small number of people called "non-progressors" have been observed to carry HIV and not become subject to seriously compromised immune systems . . . so far. By the way, sorry about my last line in my previous posting. I was writing in haste. I meant to say (with regard to all content available through the internet) that "Any damned twat can upload any foolish drivel they like. BEWARE." Rob, "healthy people in the West get diagnosed with HIV"? Nope. No way. If the highly sensitive tests that now exist result in the diagnosis of HIV, then the individual is generally not "healthy" though he or she may APPEAR to be healthy. To be found to have HIV is to have a very serious condition. Only a small number of people called "non-progressors" have been observed to carry HIV and not become subject to seriously compromised immune systems . . . so far.

By the way, sorry about my last line in my previous posting. I was writing in haste. I meant to say (with regard to all content available through the internet) that "Any damned twat can upload any foolish drivel they like. BEWARE."

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]]> By: Rob http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82360 Rob Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:33:06 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82360 Well, i have been called a climate change denialist for looking on the internet for the truth beyond the BBC six o'clock news and discovering that the earth is actually cooling down, not heating up, so my inquisitive mind needs to look into this a little further to satisfy itself either way. It is important to note that Aids itself is not a physical disease but the effect on the body of a depleted immune system, and I do see how out in Africa with the conditions people live in their wasting could be attributed either to Aids itself or simple malnutrition and other diseases. But that does not explain why healthy people in the West get diagnosed with HIV. Much to investigate! Well, i have been called a climate change denialist for looking on the internet for the truth beyond the BBC six o'clock news and discovering that the earth is actually cooling down, not heating up, so my inquisitive mind needs to look into this a little further to satisfy itself either way. It is important to note that Aids itself is not a physical disease but the effect on the body of a depleted immune system, and I do see how out in Africa with the conditions people live in their wasting could be attributed either to Aids itself or simple malnutrition and other diseases. But that does not explain why healthy people in the West get diagnosed with HIV. Much to investigate!

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82358 Eddy Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:15:36 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82358 Rob, do NOT be confused by either of those two poor or absurd reviews! With regard to the couple of paragraphs written by one "Gary Goldstein" in "The Los Angeles Times" firstly note that Goldstein says: 'As documentaries go, Brent Leung's "House of Numbers" is not especially well-organized or focused. It plays as if the producer-director decided . . . it was time for a "state of HIV/AIDS" update . . . and then figured out what his film would really be about. . . [The film's] inconclusiveness is bound to sadden or infuriate anyone who's lost a loved one to AIDS' The rest of Mr. Goldstein's two paragraphs do not assure one that both paragraphs have not simply been dashed off very carelessly and irresponsibly simply just to fill a newspaper column. It would be foolish to attribute any authority to Goldstein's appraisal other than his noted observation that the film is poorly organised. I suspect that this Los Angeles person was considerably seduced by the film's dramatic and glossy "24-style" presentation. As for the other review you say you have been "confused" by, note that it was written by Neville Hodgkinson AND that it was published by a magazine widely accepted as being very right-wing Tory. People have often asked what planet Spectator writers exist on. Anyway, go to your local library and spend an hour perusing past issues of The Spectator. If you like right-wing Tories and their minds, you'll enjoy yourself. As for this particular writer, Neville Hodgkinson, he is widely known as an AIDS denialist, a crackpot Tory journalist. Please take careful note of the following: In 1992–1993, The Sunday Times, where Hodgkinson served as scientific editor, ran a series of articles arguing that the AIDS epidemic in Africa was a myth. These articles stressed argued that antiviral therapy was ineffective, HIV testing unreliable, and that AIDS was not a threat to heterosexuals. The Sunday Times coverage was heavily criticized as slanted, misleading, and potentially dangerous; the scientific journal Nature took the unusual step of printing a 1993 editorial calling the paper's coverage of HIV/AIDS "seriously mistaken, and probably disastrous." Rob, wandering around on the internet is pitted with dangers. It is not a respectable local library full of generally reliable information and texts. In damn twat and upload any foolish drivel they like. BEWARE. Rob, do NOT be confused by either of those two poor or absurd reviews!

With regard to the couple of paragraphs written by one "Gary Goldstein" in "The Los Angeles Times" firstly note that Goldstein says: 'As documentaries go, Brent Leung's "House of Numbers" is not especially well-organized or focused. It plays as if the producer-director decided . . . it was time for a "state of HIV/AIDS" update . . . and then figured out what his film would really be about. . . [The film's] inconclusiveness is bound to sadden or infuriate anyone who's lost a loved one to AIDS'

The rest of Mr. Goldstein's two paragraphs do not assure one that both paragraphs have not simply been dashed off very carelessly and irresponsibly simply just to fill a newspaper column. It would be foolish to attribute any authority to Goldstein's appraisal other than his noted observation that the film is poorly organised. I suspect that this Los Angeles person was considerably seduced by the film's dramatic and glossy "24-style" presentation.

As for the other review you say you have been "confused" by, note that it was written by Neville Hodgkinson AND that it was published by a magazine widely accepted as being very right-wing Tory. People have often asked what planet Spectator writers exist on. Anyway, go to your local library and spend an hour perusing past issues of The Spectator. If you like right-wing Tories and their minds, you'll enjoy yourself.

As for this particular writer, Neville Hodgkinson, he is widely known as an AIDS denialist, a crackpot Tory journalist.

Please take careful note of the following:

In 1992–1993, The Sunday Times, where Hodgkinson served as scientific editor, ran a series of articles arguing that the AIDS epidemic in Africa was a myth. These articles stressed argued that antiviral therapy was ineffective, HIV testing unreliable, and that AIDS was not a threat to heterosexuals. The Sunday Times coverage was heavily criticized as slanted, misleading, and potentially dangerous; the scientific journal Nature took the unusual step of printing a 1993 editorial calling the paper's coverage of HIV/AIDS "seriously mistaken, and probably disastrous."

Rob, wandering around on the internet is pitted with dangers. It is not a respectable local library full of generally reliable information and texts. In damn twat and upload any foolish drivel they like. BEWARE.

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]]> By: Rob http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82308 Rob Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:48:13 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82308 Eek, it has also won a number of fringe film festival awards across the US. I don't categorise leaders in the field of creative arts as crackpot conspiracists! Maybe worth checking out if it hits UK... Eek, it has also won a number of fringe film festival awards across the US. I don't categorise leaders in the field of creative arts as crackpot conspiracists! Maybe worth checking out if it hits UK…

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]]> By: Rob http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-2/#comment-82307 Rob Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:42:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82307 Very confused here. I like to think I have an open mind but the hypothesis presented by this film - that Aids is not caused by HIV and that it is all just one big scam - is just too outrageous and horrific to contemplate. I would like to think such theories belong to crackpot conspiracists, but then I see respectable and thought-provoking reviews of House of Cards have appeared in mainstream periodicals like the LA Times and The Spectator of all places. What is going on here? http://www.houseofnumbers.com/reviews/82-los-angeles-times-gary-goldstein http://www.houseofnumbers.com/reviews/101-spectator-neville-hodgkinson Very confused here. I like to think I have an open mind but the hypothesis presented by this film – that Aids is not caused by HIV and that it is all just one big scam – is just too outrageous and horrific to contemplate. I would like to think such theories belong to crackpot conspiracists, but then I see respectable and thought-provoking reviews of House of Cards have appeared in mainstream periodicals like the LA Times and The Spectator of all places. What is going on here?

http://www.houseofnumbers.com/reviews/82-los-angeles-times-gary-goldstein
http://www.houseofnumbers.com/reviews/101-spectator-neville-hodgkinson

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-82178 Eddy Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:33:29 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82178 Well, said, BSE! Here's another link that exposes this glamorous piece of irresponsible film-making: http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/ Note, in the above article: "18 doctors and scientists interviewed for the film have issued a statement saying that the director was “deceptive” in his interactions with them, that it perpetuates pseudoscience and myths, and that they were selectively quoted to make it seem as if they are in disagreement and disarray" Well, said, BSE!

Here's another link that exposes this glamorous piece of irresponsible film-making:
http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/

Note, in the above article: "18 doctors and scientists interviewed for the film have issued a statement saying that the director was “deceptive” in his interactions with them, that it perpetuates pseudoscience and myths, and that they were selectively quoted to make it seem as if they are in disagreement and disarray"

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]]> By: BSE http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-82176 BSE Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:15:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82176 House of Numbers is nothing more than a denialist pile of s**t... for further reading about its lies please read: Real Answers to the Fake Questions in "House of Numbers" http://www.aidstruth.org/features/2009/real-answers-fake-questions-%E2%80%9Chouse-numbers%E2%80%9D Pernicious film of Aids denialist propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/26/ben-goldacre-bad-science-aids obmode is a serial spammer who posts the same comments on any forum that discusses HIV & AIDS in an attempt to recruit people to the death-cult of HIV denial. House of Numbers is nothing more than a denialist pile of s**t… for further reading about its lies please read:

Real Answers to the Fake Questions in "House of Numbers"
http://www.aidstruth.org/features/2009/real-answers-fake-questions-%E2%80%9Chouse-numbers%E2%80%9D

Pernicious film of Aids denialist propaganda
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/26/ben-goldacre-bad-science-aids

obmode is a serial spammer who posts the same comments on any forum that discusses HIV & AIDS in an attempt to recruit people to the death-cult of HIV denial.

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-82154 Eddy Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:46:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82154 Obmode, this suggestion is utterly foolish. If you are a member of the public don't waste your money on paying for a ticket to watch this rubbishy piece of film. Instead, just consider the following: Millions have died by being infected by a virus, the HIV virus. Antibodies to that virus are detectable in those who have been infected by it. ARVs largely disable the virus and have enabled millions of infected people to live, albeit with side-effects and the relentless effects of the small but powerful amounts of HIV which remain present in very small concentrations in certain parts of the body. This whole "House of Numbers" lark is nonsense, and totally irresponsible misinformation. And please consider this: by spreading news of this rubbishy sensationalist film you WILL cause some people to avoid ARVs and thus die. Obmode, this suggestion is utterly foolish. If you are a member of the public don't waste your money on paying for a ticket to watch this rubbishy piece of film.

Instead, just consider the following:

Millions have died by being infected by a virus, the HIV virus.

Antibodies to that virus are detectable in those who have been infected by it.

ARVs largely disable the virus and have enabled millions of infected people to live, albeit with side-effects and the relentless effects of the small but powerful amounts of HIV which remain present in very small concentrations in certain parts of the body.

This whole "House of Numbers" lark is nonsense, and totally irresponsible misinformation.

And please consider this: by spreading news of this rubbishy sensationalist film you WILL cause some people to avoid ARVs and thus die.

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]]> By: Joseph http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-82127 Joseph Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:50:29 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82127 Watching the film clip I hope in the longer version there is coverage of those of us ARV's have worked for diagnosed in '85 it has not been an easy journey but I'm alive because of the pills. Watching the film clip I hope in the longer version there is coverage of those of us ARV's have worked for diagnosed in '85 it has not been an easy journey but I'm alive because of the pills.

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]]> By: obmode http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-82116 obmode Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:46:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-82116 A world without AIDS is closer than we think www.houseofnumbers.com and www.twitter.com/hivquestions A world without AIDS is closer than we think http://www.houseofnumbers.com and http://www.twitter.com/hivquestions

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]]> By: Jay http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81952 Jay Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:29:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81952 if you ask me this GAry Leigh guy has really got a point. thanks Gary for blowing the whistle¬! if you ask me this GAry Leigh guy has really got a point. thanks Gary for blowing the whistle¬!

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]]> By: MLondon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81850 MLondon Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:55:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81850 why is this gary idiot still being given a platform? are PinkNews that desperate for 'news' ? why is this gary idiot still being given a platform? are PinkNews that desperate for 'news' ?

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]]> By: Earl http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81698 Earl Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:58:23 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81698 I so clearly remembr that HIV page that appeared in all the mags showing two real horny young guys naked in some woods or something and about to f*** one standing close behind the other in the f***ing position. It was a whole page ad and in colour and it was real horney. Yes there was words somewhere along the bottom or the top saying to do it with a condom but the image was like so horny and encouraging you to have sex with strangers. Anyway there were lots of ads like that ----- and they sort of made it fashionable to get into that sort of scene ----- and now I'm HIV positive. That's my story and I bet I'm not the only one. I so clearly remembr that HIV page that appeared in all the mags showing two real horny young guys naked in some woods or something and about to f*** one standing close behind the other in the f***ing position. It was a whole page ad and in colour and it was real horney. Yes there was words somewhere along the bottom or the top saying to do it with a condom but the image was like so horny and encouraging you to have sex with strangers. Anyway there were lots of ads like that —– and they sort of made it fashionable to get into that sort of scene —– and now I'm HIV positive. That's my story and I bet I'm not the only one.

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]]> By: Nathan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81602 Nathan Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:34:50 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81602 I agree that there is a real sense that the likes of Ford Hickson, Matthew Hodson, Will Nutland, Mark Thompson et al have betrayed our trust and the "gay community" as a whole for whatever purpose, malign, nafarious or otherwise. There is simple no sense or rhyme or reason to their policies or the politically correct rhetoric and ideologies that drive them. Whatever happened to good old common sense? Was it really Mark Thompson, press spokesperson for the Terry Higgins Trust, who recently on this very site declared - "I don't think there is any evidence that the rise in barebacking is a direct result of the rise in bareback porn. With some people its a case of 'monkey-see-monkey-do' but most don't [take away that message]". With ridiculously daft, opinionated statements like these churned out on a regular basis in the clear ploy that they become accepted fact, the only monkeys I see here are the ones named above who have ambushed HIV prevention and, in true 1984 fashion, turned its cause upside down and inside out to become the opposite of what it claims to be. Consign them to history and let's have some new blood who don't come programmed with a belief system that runs counter to preserving our community's health and well being. Thank you, Gary Leigh, for putting your money where your mouth is and exploding their world of distortionsm, delusions and fallacies, and for letting some truth to shine again on our world. I agree that there is a real sense that the likes of Ford Hickson, Matthew Hodson, Will Nutland, Mark Thompson et al have betrayed our trust and the "gay community" as a whole for whatever purpose, malign, nafarious or otherwise. There is simple no sense or rhyme or reason to their policies or the politically correct rhetoric and ideologies that drive them. Whatever happened to good old common sense? Was it really Mark Thompson, press spokesperson for the Terry Higgins Trust, who recently on this very site declared – "I don't think there is any evidence that the rise in barebacking is a direct result of the rise in bareback porn. With some people its a case of 'monkey-see-monkey-do' but most don't [take away that message]".

With ridiculously daft, opinionated statements like these churned out on a regular basis in the clear ploy that they become accepted fact, the only monkeys I see here are the ones named above who have ambushed HIV prevention and, in true 1984 fashion, turned its cause upside down and inside out to become the opposite of what it claims to be. Consign them to history and let's have some new blood who don't come programmed with a belief system that runs counter to preserving our community's health and well being. Thank you, Gary Leigh, for putting your money where your mouth is and exploding their world of distortionsm, delusions and fallacies, and for letting some truth to shine again on our world.

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]]> By: Sam http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81563 Sam Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:59:04 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81563 Dr Hickson have you no shame? How date you try your tricks on a discussion board commenting on the discreditation of you and your HIV sector henchmen? How dare you output the idea that protected sex us unsate sex on the basis that one in several hundred condoms break or whatever. This is the safest form if penetrative sex as well u know, but you twisted CHAPies are pushing condomless withdrawal methods as equally valid options. THAT is why your days are numbered. I have already written to my MP and have bern assureef that moved are afoot to consign your insane and dangerous logic to the dustbin of history. As Dot says, clear off traitor!!!!!!! Dr Hickson have you no shame? How date you try your tricks on a discussion board commenting on the discreditation of you and your HIV sector henchmen? How dare you output the idea that protected sex us unsate sex on the basis that one in several hundred condoms break or whatever. This is the safest form if penetrative sex as well u know, but you twisted CHAPies are pushing condomless withdrawal methods as equally valid options. THAT is why your days are numbered. I have already written to my MP and have bern assureef that moved are afoot to consign your insane and dangerous logic to the dustbin of history. As Dot says, clear off traitor!!!!!!!

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]]> By: Ford Hickson http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81557 Ford Hickson Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:13:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81557 Why are people on this board urging men to take HIV risks with getting f**ked by casual partners with condoms, an act which threatens a persons life? Why are people on this board urging men to take HIV risks with getting f**ked by casual partners with condoms, an act which threatens a persons life?

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]]> By: Dot http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81547 Dot Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:26:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81547 Mr Hickson, as representative of the Sigma group the community has not been well served by your endless statistic spouting. Where has it got us after all? As a member of the CHAPs line-up you are a member of the consortium of groups that has sought to feed us meaningless statistics and empty rhetoric for many years, so why believe anything you say now? Haven't you been reading people's responses closely enough on here are sensing the communities anger since some rather more meaningful statistics emerged as the basis of this Pink News story? I for one will not fall for your spin anymore, or the way you impartially comment on the results of your own collusive surveys (hardly independent, eh?). We want effective action to bring down the hiv rates to 1999 levels, not more of the same old same old from your likes. In light of recent, more meaningful statistics being reoprted, your head along with others within the sector should be bowed in shame or on the block. You have betrayed us, so stop your smoke & mirrors act and JUST GO AWAY!!! Thank you. Mr Hickson, as representative of the Sigma group the community has not been well served by your endless statistic spouting. Where has it got us after all? As a member of the CHAPs line-up you are a member of the consortium of groups that has sought to feed us meaningless statistics and empty rhetoric for many years, so why believe anything you say now? Haven't you been reading people's responses closely enough on here are sensing the communities anger since some rather more meaningful statistics emerged as the basis of this Pink News story? I for one will not fall for your spin anymore, or the way you impartially comment on the results of your own collusive surveys (hardly independent, eh?). We want effective action to bring down the hiv rates to 1999 levels, not more of the same old same old from your likes. In light of recent, more meaningful statistics being reoprted, your head along with others within the sector should be bowed in shame or on the block. You have betrayed us, so stop your smoke & mirrors act and JUST GO AWAY!!! Thank you.

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]]> By: Ford Hickson http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-81541 Ford Hickson Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:12:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/02/comment-the-way-forward-for-hiv-prevention/#comment-81541 Anal intercourse with condoms is risk reduction, not risk elimination. Anal intercourse WITH a condom is an HIV risk. In Sydney, Australia. 1-in-300 gay men who "use condoms at ALL times" get HIV each year (Jin, 2008). In Seattle, USA, 1.5% of HIV negative gay men who "use condoms at ALL times" test positive for HIV each year (Golden, 2008). Why are people on this board urging men to take HIV risks? Anal intercourse with condoms is risk reduction, not risk elimination. Anal intercourse WITH a condom is an HIV risk.

In Sydney, Australia. 1-in-300 gay men who "use condoms at ALL times" get HIV each year (Jin, 2008). In Seattle, USA, 1.5% of HIV negative gay men who "use condoms at ALL times" test positive for HIV each year (Golden, 2008). Why are people on this board urging men to take HIV risks?

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