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  1. A big bash down in London means nothing to gangs of homophobes prowling around in other places. This event needs to be repeated in all major towns and cities throughout the UK so that it gets into the local news.

    But the London gathering was fantastic. 10,000. Congratulations to the organizers. And good on you Sandi Toksvig for being the MC.

  2. The Lizzie 12 31 Oct 2009, 7:26pm

    In the London Borough of Southwark we – the LGBT community – have always been CONSULTED by our local police about issues relating to us, but I am gutted that they recently decided to axe our LGBT Liaison Officer post without consulting us first. That is bad practice and not in keeping with the tradition of partnership and transparency that has made Southwark police and its community work recognised and respected throughout the Met. It is also insulting to all of us who have worked long, hard and voluntarily at the ‘front line’ of our communities to make positive changes. Please do not let this happen in your London Borough.

  3. People had vigils all over the UK last night. Its not just a London event people said no to hate all over. We must now use the public mood and put the measures in place to stop homophobic and transphobic crimes.

    Schools Out have issued this statement on the attacks.

    In the wake of the recent attacks, Schools Out hit out at the government for failing to provide teachers with the skills to educate students about LGBT issues.

    Co-chair Sue Sanders said:

    ‘I’m absolutely sickened to think homophobic murder is being committed by teenagers!

    ‘The DCSF have blood on their hands! They know homophobia and transphobia are rife in our schools, but most teachers have still had little if any training on LGBT issues.

    ‘We call on them to take a strong lead and ensure every education worker has the skills not just to challenge bullying, but to help create the kind of school culture where this hatred could never take root.’

  4. We should look at those within the LGBT peddling hate against other parts of the LGBT.

    I find it hypocritical of Julie Bindel to support this vigil while she has a deeply transphobic article running in standpoint magazine. Published just two weeks after the horrific murder of a trans woman Andrea Waddell in Brighton.

    Maybe its time we started outing our own bigots as well.

  5. Sounds to me like a lot of denial going on there with Bindel.

  6. Mihangel apYrs 1 Nov 2009, 12:38am

    Bindel has a problem with trans people: she can’t see beyond the physical and she’s so tied uo in her mysandry: she does hate men.

    There have been too many cases where boys have been assigned female labels after their bits have beencut off (usually following a botched circumcision) who have later declared themselves male to dicount the ind as intrinsic to sexuality.

    Whs beats a nasty feminist drum where all men are evil…

  7. Mihangel: Blimey. I have tried for years to find out what the male equivalent of misogyny. Now you state it, it’s obvious. (I think it’s spelt misandry though). Men! They’re all the same! ;)

    My new word for today!

  8. I didn’t see this event mentioned on the BBC News channel or on the BBC London news on TV on Friday night. Did anyone see it reported on any of the other channels?

  9. Thanks Abi1975 for saying that similar vigils were held all over the UK on Friday night. Your announcement of this is the only news I have seen of it anywhere, and, as you know, I keep abreast of developments. Very strange.

  10. When something happens in London its always seen at the national level because of size, location and the London media bias. But when its happening at a local level with just a few people its ignored and unreported. However that does not make them any less meaningful or relevant.

  11. I was there and desperately wanted to boo Angela Eagle when she said how much her government was doing to stand against LGBT hate crime. The fact remains that there is still no such thing as a homophobically motivated crime. Someone can be arrested/charged for a religiously motivated crime or a racially motivated crime – but not a homophobic hate crime.

    Politicians aside, I thought the turnout was great – thousands of ordinary LGBT folk who just turned up to show their respects and support. it was so unlike Pride – not a sequin in sight, it reminded me of Pride when Pride first started. But as LGBT people we did things in our own unique way – after all most of us had scented candles which was such a beautiful touch.

    The reference to Jan Moir was not lost on me – as I place the rise in LGBT hate crime firmly at the feet of the press. The Moir article has been highlighted because it was about such a well known gay person – but the truth is that every day all around the country the press continue to negatively affect public opinion about LGBT people. Newspapers can pretty much say whatever they like – unless you have loads of cash to sue them then there is no recourse. The Press Complaints Commission is a joke. Journalists regulating fellow journalists.

    I do think that the police are doing what they can – but at the end of the day they aren’t there to change people’s opinion of LGBT folk – it’s their job to deal with crime once it’s happened or to try and prevent crime from happening with their presence. Nor is it the police’s fault when narrow-minded juries fail to convict people of LGBT hate crime – or even ‘ordinary’ crimes against LGBT people where juries allow their own prejudice to cloud their judgement. I do feel though that the Met Police are shooting themselves in the foot by failing to support and develop the full time LGBT Liaison Officers who do such a good job (not to mention the part time Liaison Officers who do most of their work in their own time).

    Finally, to support what Schools Out have said – it’s amazing that all over the world young people simply accept being LGBT as an ordinary fact of life. They don’t have special clubs or youth groups because it’s just completely ordinary. Here in the UK that’s an entirely different story. Homophobia in schools is rampant. It’s such an issue that most organisations are simply too frightened to tackle it. Time and time again young people are responsible for the worst imaginable hate crimes against LGBT people and the government has done absolutely nothing to tackle this.

  12. I’m from Liverpool and I’m following very closely news and reaction following the tragedy of Ian Bayhnam and the attack on James Parkes. I can tell you that there was no vigil/march on Friday night in Liverpool nor last night but there is a vigil being held tonight (Sunday, 8pm, Stanley Street). Also, it’s very encouraging to see that James was actually released from hospital on Friday and hopefully he can make a full recovery. There is a very strong opinion here that the individuals who are on bail for the attack on James, should be charged with attempted murder which would be in line with the ferocity of the attack. Having spoken to someone who caught and held one of the attackers until the police arrived, it’s of some comfort to know at least the police have one of them. Will be interesting to see what happens.

  13. This is really good – My heart, mind and prayers go out to the victims and their families of hate crimes.

  14. I have worked in partnership with my local force for many years, but not any more. I’ve worked on Murder investigations (helping the Police catch offenders) and I’ve worked with the Association of Chief police officers after the 7/7 London Bombings, the less said about that the better.

    I have found a severe lack of give and take from the police in general. They will take – take – take and take some more, but “NOT” give anything back. In order for a relationship to work there must be Give and Take! They really must start to give something back, so that a relationship can be built upon.

    A lot of forces need to change their procedures; they have a bizarre way of dealing with hate crimes. Most people think that when a hate crime is committed the victim is automatically given a specially trained LGBT Liaison officer to investigate their case. This is “not true” they have a queuing system of coppers that takes the next investigation whether it’s a hate crime or not. It’s luck if you get a LGBT Liaison officer to investigate their case. The forces need to have a LGBT Liaison crime unit of specially trained LGBT Liaison officers that take over an investigation once it’s known or suspected as such.

    My constabulary changed from LGBT Liaison officers to Hate Crime officers and it’s been a huge public relations disaster with the LGBT community. At one time they had a single job to do, now they have “all” of the minorities jobs to do.

  15. Ferthermore,

    If you are a victim of a hate crime and you are going to report it to the Police, “demand” that the police officers are specially trained LGBT/Hate Crime Liaison officers and if they refuse, tell them that you wont report it. Don’t worry they will give you a LGBT/Hate Crime Liaison officer at the end of the day, but they mite fight you a bit before they do.

  16. (Cleggy)

    The police say that they give give give and you take take take without giving back.

    Too many cooks and not enough chefs.
    Funny thing is you should know Stonewall is a charity with limited resources
    the only help they will give you is advising you. Sometimes the advice is totally wrong.
    galop is also a charity with limited resources. They mainly collect data and not much else
    they usually take details for questionnaires and statistics and then pass you over to Stonewall.

    99% of the time you would be far better relying on the police or taking legal action yourself.

    Do you remember the early days the 1980s 85 and the London apprentice Old Street
    I used to give out leaflets then I was a very young doorman of the London apprentice working for Max pollard and his partner Philip Glover. I think the age of the Internet as lefties organisations in the past they are outdated.

    I often wonder whether these organisations serve any purpose nowadays.
    We used to say when we needed to campaign that gay people were too interested in their dicks
    to get involved in anything that used up their time.

    It used to be a big thing to buy a Gay magazine and get involved with the “movement”
    I think the crazy radicals may be running the shop to the ground.

    Nobody gets involved in a more really. Not even me.

  17. Mihangel apYrs 2 Nov 2009, 8:40am

    If you note the time it was written, I’m surprised ANYTHING was spelt even close to English!!

  18. Well done everyone who participated and Thank You – I would have loved to have been there. Afterall, doing something is far better than doing nothing.

  19. Eddy, it wasn’t just a big bash in London at the expense of other regions. London is not a safe and liberal place compared to other places; the fact is that Ian Baynham was murdered in Trafalgar Square, one of London’s busiest areas.


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