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  1. sick sick man.

  2. Harthacanute 29 Oct 2009, 1:04pm

    On the one hand I want to say that I refuse accept mental illness as an excuse for anyone who could do something like this – but on the other hand I find myself thinking that you have to be seriously mentally ill to even think that there in any level on which it is OK to even think about doing something like this, let alone actually doing it.

  3. well, we agree on one thing, xaria and Harth. Scumbag isn’t a strong enough word. On top of his disgusting behaviour, he throws ammunition to those who believe all gays are perverts.

  4. Robert, ex pat Brit 29 Oct 2009, 1:26pm

    Rose, in America, government statistics per capita reveal that paedophilia is overwhelmingly an heterosexual oriented crime. The recent catholic molestation scandal in the U.S. only exacerbated the ignorance on the part of society to infer that gays are mostly all paedophiles and it gets more media attention than when straights are involved. If you may recall,and I’m digressing here, the Vatican issued a directive to weed out potential gay seminarians based on certain criteria that have never been made clear, yet no mention was made of the straight paedophile priests who were involved and are still serving their cult. I’d love to know which criterion they would use to weed out straight molester seminarians.

  5. No doubt the ExGays, Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians will flock to this thread like bees to honey . . . to prove their point that all gays are perverts.

  6. the religious zealots better clean out their own perverted priests before they jump on this story–they have no room to talk.

  7. . . . some of us can remember the old GAY NEWS in the 70’s where regular ads appeared for PIE ( Paedophile Information Exchange ) with links to Gay Liberation and freedom of speech. We got it wrong.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

  8. that link doesn’t work, swarmite.

    Robert, i think the stats are much the same in thed UK. But it doesnt’ matter. Every time one of those bastards turns up in the papers it sets it all off again with people believing gay and paedo are interchangeable and it makes me so angry.

  9. People who attack children this young deserve to be hung drawn and quartered. They should at the very least, never be realised from prison. 13 and 16 years imprisonments are not enough to protect society from them, they will always be a danger.

    I would say to LGBT Youth Scotland, you acting quickly and decisively when the arrest happened and acted in the best interests of the youth they serve and not its employee. Other organisations like churches should follow suit and not protect abusers in any way.

  10. Jean-Paul Bentham 29 Oct 2009, 4:19pm

    Revolting. Makes me nauseous.

    Just last March I held my 8-month old grande-niece in my arms for the first time, and I cried with joy as her mother, my niece, snapped dozens of photos of the two of us in our living room.

    A child, a baby is so vulnerable, so defenseless.

    What kind of monster could be moved to sexually molest a baby, a child???…it’s beyond me.

    Castration comes to mind, and they will most certainly be killed in prison.

  11. Jean-Paul Bentham 29 Oct 2009, 4:23pm

    What about the children? Does anybody know who and where they are now? The children are in serious need of help and support for a long, long time.

  12. .
    Did you notice? They are all gay!

    .

  13. Mumbo Jumbo 29 Oct 2009, 8:38pm

    @Voodoo

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8282764.stm

    Vanessa George, Colin Blanchard, Angela Allen.

    Did you notice? The are all straight!

  14. voodoo, did you notice, your a twat!

  15. voodoo. did you notice. your a 1950s throwback

  16. Jean-Paul Bentham 29 Oct 2009, 10:51pm

    voovoo;

    ve saw you comin’! Put a sock in it!

  17. They are all gay even the married ones and the other case is a gay man having two ladies help him procure children. I’m not saying all gays are the same but the problem is predominently gay men don’t quote me stats the staright men you talk of are gay men pretending to be straight. Straight men like developed women not little undeveloped bodies was it just a coincidence all the men were gay I just don’t believe that. I’m looking forward to all the sick emails from the gays now bye.

  18. Rennie was at the forefront lobbying for laws allowing gay men to adopt now we know why. I’ve already read of a case where two gay men abused their foster children god help the kids oh did I use a bad word there “god”. Bye

  19. 5. JohnK, “No doubt the ExGays, Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians will flock to this thread like bees to honey . . . to prove their point that all gays are perverts.”

    Add to that list the people on this site who fall in line with the anti-gay lobby, swallowing hook, line and sinker the stereotypes maligning gay men as evildoers of the highest order.

  20. Voidal answer this if you ever used a file sharing network and searched others folders 100’s of times where there was gay porn you also saw child porn listed in that folder and all these men involved in this case were gay isn’t there a problem there. No i’m not saying all gays are paedos and would support any of my family who turned out to be gay.

  21. Jaeenyy that sounds disturbing, but I would surmise that the ostricization inflicted upon gay men would lead many to perceive themselves as perverse and indulge in other equally perceived perverse activities.

    The only other explanation is that gay men are naturally more inclined to kiddie fiddling.

  22. Pumpkin Pie 30 Oct 2009, 3:25am

    Jaeenyy:
    don’t quote me stats

    You’re a cretin. …Unless this is satire, in which case I’m the cretin.

  23. The truth hurts I know every word I said is true it does hurt, all the men involved here are gay and I found 100’s and it would have been 1000’s but I stopped looking couldn’t stand it any longer. I reported them to police.

  24. I’m a cretin but the men were all gay and I found 100’s in winmx without even trying I just stumbled upon them when browsing folders for songs inevitably where you found gay porn listed sure as hell you also found child porn you cretin.

  25. Don’t worry my comments will probably be removed soon the truth does hurt

  26. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Oct 2009, 9:10am

    Despite the fact that this story is very well written, I can see why it leads to confusion.

    If we start at the conclusion, we read:

    “Lothian and Borders Police have been clear that their investigations related to James Rennie personally, and not to his work role, nor the organisation he worked for at the time of his arrest. We had no suspicion whatsoever of the crimes James Rennie was committing outside his working life.

    “That there is no suggestion that James Rennie did, or had the opportunity to, threaten the safety of young people accessing services at his work is due to the culture of child protection within LGBT Youth Scotland, which is backed up by robust policies.”

    Now if we proceed to the beginning, Jessica Geen writes that Rennie assaulted a 3-month-old child, but we are not told whether the child was a boy or a girl. In either case, that would make Rennie a paedophile, wouldn’t it, and not necessarily gay?

    Then we are told that Neil Strachan, a known sex-offender, attempted to rape an 18-month old boy, and touching a 6-year old boy. That would make Strachan a paedophile, wouldn’t it, and not necessarily gay?

    Two other men were found guilty of conspiring to abuse children.
    That would make them paedophiles, wouldn’t it, and not necessarily gay?

    They were part of a paedophile network. That would make them paedophiles, wouldn’t it, and not necessarily gay?

    The other 6 men are said to be paedophiles. That would make them paedophiles, wouldn’t it, and not necessarily gay?

    Rennie was formerly head of the LGBT Youth Scotland. Is he gay, straight or paedophile? Well, Rennie was convicted of assaulting a 3-month old child. What does that make him? Gay??! Not.

    The confusion commences with comment number 2 where Hirtha canote’s (in the future I’ll use the shortened form of the name, Martha…I mean Hirt-yah) histrionics (you might want to take note of that noun because it does “smack” of monkey sht) informs us that she/she/he/hee is undecided whether or not paedophila is a mental illness.

    swarmite’s comment number 7 is entirely facetious but it does lend to the confusion in its own singular way.

    Then moomoo’s number 12 not only proves that moomoo cannot moo properly, but also strongly signifies the scent that is quite possibly an intent to spill the milk at this point. Clever, I suppose.

    Comment number 17 by jyyneea pontificates on PinkNews’ world stage that there is absolutely no difference between paedophilia and homosexuality just like there is no need for the “period” in English composition. How gauche is that? Too big for your jeeaaans?? Care to try on a Papal Frock with optional lace collar and sleeves, a tasel here, a gold lamé cord around your neck?

    In her/its comment number 18, yyneeaj makes a blind leap the likes of which has rarely been seen in literary interpretation since the exaggerated style used in “Gulliver’s Travels”. Emphasizing the possibility that he/she/she/he has totally forgotten to read the conclusion of the story, naeejya proves to be an Élephant in a china shop, non? Si, si.

    The void at comment 19 sets up a target for eeannjy’s comment number 20, again omitting the “period” perhaps to disguise an all too familiar writing style, which takes the thread right off its track but does admit that all gays are not necessarily paedophiles, while ignoring her/his/her/her comment 17 where it was plainly stated that all paedophiles are paedophiles….I mean gay.

    Finally the great void (21) declares that the only possible explanation is not the one written by Pink’s professional journalist, Jessica Geen, but her/his/its/its own tinsel conclusion:

    “The only (..) explanation is that gay men are naturally more inclined to kiddie fiddling.”

    By this time I am not only thoroughly (m-m, that’s a good word, annejyya: make a note of it!) confused, I am viciously livid enough to put on the water for my green tea, and then…..then I will do it…don’t try to stop…I will..I willl peeaal myself a grape, “peariod”.

    Now that I’ve fought my way through a swamp of disruptive confusion (m-m, a swamp of disruptive confusion; you like that, yyeannej?), I can see clearly now.

    The former head of LGBT Youth Scotland, a post in which James Rennie could not possibly have abused children, has been convicted of paedophilia and selling children to “Scotland’s biggest known paedophile network”.

    Frankie…I mean frankly, I don’t see the word “gay” in the entire story…well, perhaps there is the “G” in LGBT.

    We French have such a difficult time reeaading-g-g University level English. John sees Jane. Jane sees John. John opens da door. Da door is closed by Jane while Jack…and Jill..go-o-o…oh, I can’t to it, sacré-bleu!!!! Leave me go or I shall scream! Oh Martha-a; tea-time, dearie.

    Have you seen the canary? Sylveste-e-e-e-r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. I’m a cretin.

    Comment by Jaeenny — October 30, 2009 @ 7:57

  28. homophobes always lie that gays are pedos yet they ignore that it’s statistically loads more likely to be those who claim to be heteros doing it
    MYTH #6: Gay men tend to be pedophiles and molest children.
    The perpetrators of child sexual abuse are overwhelmingly men; very few women are offenders. The abuser is usually a member of the child’s family or someone known by the family. Pedophiles, men who have a sexual preference for children, constitute less than 1% of the adult male population. Pedophiles are quite distinct from adult gay men who prefer adult sexual partners. Studies have shown no correlation between a man’s sexual orientation and a tendency to sexually abuse children

    Homosexual pedophiles are considered a perversion of the normal homosexual man in the same way that heterosexual pedophiles are also a perversion. Heterosexual men are twice as likely to sexually abuse children as homosexual men are. There is solid evidence that over 92% of child abuse cases, including same gender sexual abuse, are perpetrated by heterosexuals.

    The number of reported child abuse cases have increased over the past five years. It is crucial that we address the issue of child sexual abuse objectively and recognize that this abuse is occurring behind to many closed doors in so-called traditional family homes.

  29. Bring back capital punishment, force these vile people to never have a sex drive again and Jaeenny, disturbingly all I’m hearing from your comments are that you yourself is going out of your way to find child porn – Vile!

  30. “Don’t worry my comments will probably be removed soon the truth does hurt”

    No, lies hurt, Jaeenny, and you should be a little bit more informed before you hurl “they’re all gay” nonsense. Not all gays are paedophiles, as not all straight people are. There are some paedophiles who seem to prefer same sex and some who prefer the opposite sex. Both are appalling. You are either naive or stupid to suggest its all caused by gay people. Don’t you read the papers? Hell, Gary glitter! But I’m sure you came across these “heterosexual” (if you could even call it that) paedophile films when you were supped to be searching for “songs”, because there is a huge and tragic industry behind this “heterosexual” under-age & paedophile sex.

    If you didn’t see that in your “innocent” searches for “songs”, it goes back to my first point:- your a liar trying to use a bit of “you wont believe what I saw” to further a bigoted and ill-informed agenda.

  31. That would make him a paedophile, wouldn’t it, and not necessarily gay?

  32. exactly Will

  33. lol All the gays are on now lol Rennie is gay Strachan is gay what part of that don’t you cretins understand?????? I never said all gays are paedos talk about making the story fit “Where does it say Rennie is gay” etc what a delusional person you are they arer all gay that’s all I’m saying as far as the one who said I’m looking for child porn I got one guy arrested after I reported him I just wish you could stand face to face with me and accuse me of that.

  34. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Oct 2009, 11:05am

    Will:

    You are so right. The truth doesn’t hurt. These guys are paedophiles. How is that suppose to hurt the gay community?

    It is the lie that hurts and what’s-his-name’s lie is that all paedophiles are gay. That hurts a paedophile just as much as it hurts a gay guy because it’s a lie, not because it’s the truth.

  35. I’m not trying to hurt the gay community I never said all gays are paedos read my posts I’m saying Rennie is gay Strachan is gay all the people arrested in their case were gay please don’t give me the “Where does it say Strachan is gay bit he has a male partner who was arrested with him it’s denial denial denial. They are all gay geez how thick are the ones who say I’m saying all gays are paedos

  36. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Oct 2009, 11:10am

    More wine, madame J.?

  37. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Oct 2009, 11:13am

    Mais non, mais non, madame J; you said all paedophiles are gay, you big silly.

  38. Typical – another one who can dish it but heaven forbid if you dish it back to them!

  39. This is the headline for this very story doesn’t it say Rennies is gay??? http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/29/former-GAY-charity-head-jailed-for-sex-attack-on-baby/ Harvey you obviously don’t want to be caught lol

  40. Jean-Paul Bentham WHERE DOES IT SAY ALL GAYS ARE PAEDOS IN MY POSTS??? LOL DENIAL DENAIL DENIAL OF THE TRUTH LOL

  41. Thank you Jaeenny! As someone who was Seriously sexually abused as a child I thank you for your vile comments!

  42. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Oct 2009, 11:26am

    Read it and weep, madame J.:

    “They are all gay even the married ones and the other case is a gay man having two ladies help him procure children. I’m not saying all gays are the same but the problem is predominently gay men don’t quote me stats the staright men you talk of are gay men pretending to be straight. Straight men like developed women not little undeveloped bodies was it just a coincidence all the men were gay I just don’t believe that. I’m looking forward to all the sick emails from the gays now bye.

    (Report comment to the moderator)

    Comment by Jaeenyy — October 30, 2009 @ 1:28″

    Now think, madame, because that is what minds are for, madame. Nobody has said that you said that all gays are paedophiles, madame.

    What you did say in your post 17 (quoted above) is that all paedophiles are gay, madame. Ce n’est pas du tout la même chose, madame.

    Madame is not well? More wine, then? Perrier? Marron glaçé?

  43. When someone like me sticks up for the kids you all come running to protect the gays involved in this sad case, that stinks I never said all gays are paedos you just want me to say that because it fits your opinion. I wish you would spend just a little of your energy denouncing the gays involved here. The fact you don’t even mebntion them makes me shudder.

  44. Geez you are thick Jean-Paul Bentham I said all the men invoved in this case what part of that don’t you understand, not all gays all the men arrested in Rennies case are gay ????? geez it’s hard to get through to this guy lol

  45. If you read my first comment you’d see Exactly what I think, remember, Capital punishment, seems you like your own words far too much! Too much to keep up with them.

  46. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 11:32am

    What do people think about this:

    Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle

    33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
    There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.

    Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

    Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).

    Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

  47. Harvey what are you talking about I’m just saying for the umpteenth time the men involved in this case are gay I’m sorry you were abused but I’m just telling you the facts if you are denying these men are gay then you are deluded sorry if I hurt your feeling but what else can I say it’s the truth.

  48. Christina Engela 30 Oct 2009, 11:38am

    Some food for thought for these sycophants who claim pedophilia is related to sexual orientation:

    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

    http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm Playing the Pedophillia Card

    Extensive research has been done on the psychology linking child abuse to sexual orientation. Dr. Carole Jenny of the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center did one study. The subjects were 269 sexually abused children seen at the Denver Children’s Hospital in 1994. Statistics show 2% of boys were molested by gay males and 98% were molested by heterosexual males and females. While 0.05% of the girls were molested by lesbians and 99.5% were molested by heterosexual males and females. No credible new data has been published that contradicts the conclusion that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a higher risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male. Further research shows that on average, 90% of child molestation occurs between adult heterosexual males and female children.

    Bon apetit.

  49. Stewart Cowan post 46 I’m shocked if that’s true but let me warn you you’re in for a hard time on here now the Rennie Strachan sympathizers are here waiting for you.

  50. post 48 The facts are most of the so called heteros in the study are married gay pretending to be straight so your stats are flawed

  51. Bon apetit

  52. I don”t drink by the way Jean hyphen Paul lol

  53. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 11:54am

    Jaeenny,

    Thanks for the advice, but I’ve been here a few times. It’s always an experience! I was hoping to get confirmation, or otherwise, of the figures I copied and pasted, above.

    In the meantime, the 1985 ‘Labour Gay Rights Manifesto’ sets out the real agenda of destroying families:

    ‘’Children grow up under the power of their parents. As children, any behaviour which is obviously sexual in adult terms is repressed… A socialist society would supersede the family household… Gay people and children should have the right to live together… Children and young people should have the right to determine their own sexual lives… Marriage should be disestablished… Women need access to free contraception and abortion facilities; this applies just as much to young women as to ‘adults.’ Children should be able to divorce their parents… It follows from what we have already said that we favour the abolition of the age of consent.’

  54. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Oct 2009, 11:55am

    Perhaps madame J. has misunderstood the headline which reads:

    “Former gay charity head jailed for sex…”

    Madame has understood that the head of the charity is gay instead of understanding that the head of a gay charity was jailed…

    Is it necessary for a man to be gay in order to be the head of a gay charity? Really, madame, enough is enough.

    Be quiet now because madame Christina has entered the room. Hush now, don’t you cry.

  55. stewart relies on a homophobic link that smears many plus admits to an agenda
    jaenny claims to want to protect kids yet obviously don’t care about lesbians, gays and bisexuals who are teens/kids
    don’t you love the family values types?

  56. Chester where does it say I don’t care about all kids wow if it fits your story you lot will say it wow not a word against the men in this sad case just trying to continually smear me and anyone else who mentions the word gay in relation to the case and the men were ALL GAY that’s the truth it’s not just to fit in with my story Chester

  57. .

    Pederasts to a man!

    A Scottish homosexual/paedophile ring of 8 men were indicted at the High Court in Edinburgh with 50 internet child pornography and sexual abuse charges. It was described at Scotland’s biggest paedophile network. The police are investigating another 70 men throughout the UK. James Rennie, 38, £40,000, publicly funded boss of LGBT Scotland was a key adviser on sex education to the Scottish Executive. He was convicted of harrowing sexual abuse over four years of a young boy that started when only a 3-month-old baby. He also attempted to rape an 18-month-old boy Also found guilty were John Murphy, 44, journalist to the Gay Times, Neil Strachan, 41, HIV positive and a convicted child molester, Ross Webber, 27, Colin Slaven, 23, boyfriend to Strachan, Craig Booth, 24, John Milligan, 40, and Neil Campbell, 46, a married man who led a double life with a homosexual partner. He also ran an after-school club for children. The police seized nearly 125,000 indecent images of children. Strachan and Rennie were sentenced to life imprisonment. The others to between two and seventeen years jail, totaling 43 years.

    .

  58. Jean-Paul is Rennie gay I await you answer with interest?

  59. Is there anyone else in the world who thinks Rennis is not gay apart from the delusional Jean Hyphen Paul

  60. oops Rennie

  61. i thought this thread might have been about sympathy for abused children and unequivocal condemnation of the people who abused them, regardless of what their sexual orientation is. Instead, it is hijacked by somebody who wants to insult homosexuals by equating them with paedophiles.

    How do all these anti-gay types FIND this site in the first place? Why don’t they stay away? The Daily Mail has an online version for them to play in.

  62. I’m sickened that a gay website NAMBLA are promoting sex between men and BOYS yuk I suppose they are not gay but paedophiles Jean- Paul

  63. Rose I’ve not seen a word here either of sympathy for the children just defence of the gays who were arrested.

  64. I’m not anti gay all the men involved in this case are gay and I’m against them >???

  65. I don’t read the daily mail.

  66. It’s the denial that Rennie is gay that bugs me most who’s going to believe that straight men don’t have sex with little boys they like women no? Rennie is gay believe me

  67. I’ll say it again men who have sex with boys are gay not hetero

  68. Jaeenny, I have yet to see anyone here deny that James Rennie is gay. He is an openly gay man but he is also a paedophile. The children in this case have been horrifically abused and as a parent myself, I feel nothing but contempt for this man. I cannot imagine what the parents of the young boy must be going through having been so horrendously betrayed by a so-called friend.

    However, you seem to be keen to suggest that just because the men in this case are gay (although not all of them do identify as gay) and because you have happened to “stumble” across child pornography amongst gay pornography some how suggests that gay men are more likely to be paedophiles, which is simply not true. If anything it suggests a hell of a lot more about your sexual preferences.

    It’s also not true that the gender of children abused by paedophiles is linked to their sexual orientation – many heterosexual paedophiles abuse boys not because they are homosexual, but because that is who they have access to. Child abuse is not the same as sexual activity between consenting adults, it is about the abuse of power and trust of children.

    Stewart, your evidence is incredibly flimsy not to mention out of date – NAMBLA was disassociated from the gay rights movement very early on in the 70s as being an extremist group and I doubt they even exist anymore. But I don’t suppose it is worth arguing with a bigot who thinks that an ability to post links to out-of date and largely discredited sources constitutes an argument.

  69. Oh, steward, you’re quite the fool. Do you seriously think anyone with half a brain will accept such ridiculous statistics from a website who’s opening line is “GLSEN targets children for recruitment into the homosexual lifestyle as well as cross-dressing/sex change operations through GLSEN chapters…”

    Is this a joke website or something? I got a good laugh anyway. When you quote this nonsense, you only prove what we always knew:- religious freaks like you can’t think for yourself and will grasp at any straw to further your small minded hate. How humiliating for you to come in here an use that as your case. And how embarrassingly stupid of you, Stewart.

    “I’ll say it again men who have sex with boys are gay not hetero”

    Say it again if you like, it doesn’t make it true, does it my dear? Of course not. It makes you rather foolish, doesn’t it. So, logically, all men who have sex with 4 year old girls are, what exactly? Normal heterosexual? Is that a reflection on all hetrosexuals, you think? I’m sure you’re on “straight sites” commenting on the same with straight people? When not “looking for songs” that leads to porn, I’m guessing?

    But you’re right of course, just like Voodoo said, we should use one example to judge heterosexuality…. I suppose we should be worried about all straight heterosexual parents then, after all, Fred West and his wonderful wife were straight…. clearly all straight parents are a risk to children! Oh dear.

    Paedophilia is only tied into sexuality in the rather sordid minds of the dumb like yours, Jaeenny, people who like to watch this offensive material, apparently while “looking for songs” and draw rather foolish conclusions about all gay people. And looking for songs??? Yes, quite. Looking for songs, I always end up looking at paedophile porn…. not. Freak. I’d suggest you read a book, it might enlighten your small mind, and open it up beyond a load of religious back rubbish like that reptile Mr. Cowen, who gets most of his inspiration from the bottom of a bottle of gin.

  70. Andrew you are ignorant by suggesting that my sexual preference is gay or padephile see how I stumbled upon them, I was browsing folders for Songs by Eric Clapton etc. I am going to try and stop my wife lol as the tears are streaming down her face with the giggles now that you have accused me of being a closet gay I thought it a wheeze too lol believe me Andrew I’m not gay at all the bigger the breasts the better with me long legs nice butt all female is how I like them. Oh you wouldn’t understand likely lol

  71. This is like playing tennis with people while smoking a havanna cigar too easy because you are all avoiding the fact like the plague that all the men in this case are gay lol

  72. I got a man arrested after I saw titles which contained child porn among gay porn titles i reported it to OPeration Ore and now you criticise me for it what are YOU trying to hide ANDREW?

  73. Andrew the truth is too close tut tut accusing Mr Cowan of being an alchooholic maybe I should use your own reasoning now to discredit that notion all drinkers are alchoholics all people name d Cowan lol >???

  74. “lol believe me Andrew I’m not gay at all the bigger the breasts the better with me long legs nice butt all female is how I like them”

    What the f….???? Oh, I’m sorry, I though for one moment I was dealing with an adult! Silly me. When you said “with me long legs nice butt all female” peppered liberally with “lol’s”, I can see now why you’re writing such stupid things, you’re obviously retarded. I am so sorry.

    Folks, lets back off, this one has learning difficulties.

    Jaeenny, you’d tell us if you were a head trauma victim or hard a stroke, now, wouldn’t you?

  75. sorry for any typing errors I’m multi tasking while doing this too I work with one of the biggest angling magazines in Britain

  76. “accusing Mr Cowan of being an alchooholic”

    Mr. Cowan IS an alcoholic, you poor retarded little man. He told us so. Hence the wisdom we so love that comes from him.

    By the way, I’m Will. Not Andrew. Keep missing the shot on the intelligence bit, don’t you? Never mind, not all of us can be smart, you poor thing.

  77. I’m definitely getting to WILL lol lol it’s too easy this I’m a bit bored took a while but Will did it for me lol

  78. Jaenny, don’t try to get me involved in your nonsense. I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to the adults who regularly contribute to this website. Hit and run troublemakers like you can just shut up.

  79. “while doing this too I work with one of the biggest angling magazines in Britain”

    If I may drop to your level for a moment? “LOL”!

    What a load of nonsense! But I know its wrong to laugh at you Jaeenny, as in the same way its wrong to laugh at mentally impaired people. You couldn’t write for the “School News”…. LOL again.

  80. So you used the fact that he is an Alchoholic against wow says a lot about you Will add that to the fact you are a spokesman to the likes of RENNIE don’t think I want to know you. It’s likely that you will threaten me next I better go. Bye

  81. You would be suprised bye

  82. “I’m a bit bored took a while but Will did it for me lol”

    Ha! Don’t flatter yourself, I’m not upset by you, I’m appalled that they let special needs people like you access to the internet.

    Let me add more “lol”‘s…. lol, lol, lol. Like that, did you, Rainman?

    What a laugh you are….

  83. What a delightful little retard that Jaeenny was. Bless. I will be quite sad to see it go.

  84. Nice guy that WILL used the fact the guy had an illness against him bet he’s sorry he said that now fell into a trap. bye again lol

  85. I came among you and WILL fell right in LOLOLOLOLOL

  86. Now he’s insulting all the little kids with special needs there are 1000’s in this country and he’s using words like retard to describe people with learning difficulties I’m shocked and need to go where decent people (meaning you WILL not gays)won’t stoop to his level bye again.

  87. “Nice guy that WILL used the fact the guy had an illness against him bet he’s sorry he said that now fell into a trap”

    Er, what? Not very good at the old language are we? “Oh, I write for an angling magazine”. How amusing. Yeah, you really caught me out there….

    Anyway, I though you were gone? wow lol wow lol wow lol.

  88. Puff of Havannah Cigar smoke lol

  89. I think we have identified that our dear mentally deficient friend Jaeenny here is not capable of an argument, and we can safely say that what they have said previously was a load of dumb nonsense. When not quite the surprise revelation, but hey.

    Its always so easy showing these bigots up, isn’t it? Too easy in fact. Although I lake it when they deluded, it does make me laugh, like the “angling magazine” line… classic, truly classic! Oh, I feel into that “trap” didn’t I ;) I’d like a bigot that’s a challenge sometime, not illiterate dopes like this one, or even Mr “I’ll have 5 Bombay Sapphires please” Cowen.

  90. Now he’s criticizing spelling and typing errors by gum you are going to be busy it’s just shorthand everyone is going to be afraid to miss out anything or shorten things lol I have higher English and Maths and I am quite wealthy not too wealthy but enough not to need to work it’s just part time. Don’t take the typing errors seriously lol

  91. “you lake it” WILL puff of cigar smoke lol

  92. Will, you’re right, there’s something wrong with this one…. seriously damaged goods. And you wondered how he got to see porn while searching for “songs”? I think now we know now why….

  93. Gone tooooo easy lol

  94. Rennie is GAY as are all the others in the case and ROSE shut it bye

  95. Tony Lambert 30 Oct 2009, 3:17pm

    How many lol’s can one moron use in each comment????

    LOL.

  96. Does this Jaeenny cretin actually think he’s got one up on us? I’m confused. Where has he? And why would he think that? I’m mean, he’s beneath stupid. The cigar smoke must be damaging brain cells.

  97. Its still here, alas, regaling us with its mental prowess.

    Itsn’t it always the same with these religious freaks. They all lie (“angling magazine” comes to mind, what a load of dung). And they’re usually not very bright. Granted this one is a particularly acute specimen of stupidity, but in general they all seem to have these two traits. Curious.

  98. Oh, everyone,l look at me! I actually write for The New Yorker. lol, wow, lol. I have loads adn loads of money and I’m married to a woman coz I love big ones and stuff, ypou’re all so jealous. lol. wow. lol. lol. lol. puff cigar. I am so clever I can catch you all out with my witty repartee and you are all silly, so shut it, okay? lol. lol. lol. lol. lol. lol. wow. wow. All gays are bad, like lol. Lol. wow. lol. I win. lol. wow. lol. lol. lol.

    Look at me, I’m just like Jaeenny lol.

  99. LOL @ Will #98!

    Sorry, no more lol…

  100. 21stCenturySpirituality 30 Oct 2009, 3:46pm

    Stewart Cohan, re comment 46, I am absolutely dumbfounded that you have the temerity to post such insidious, hate inciting prejudice on this site. Incitement to hatred is the clear intention of your remarks in comment 46. I am absolutely disgusted, your comments are offensive in the extreme. I have never ever heard any of those chants on a gay pride march. I think that you should be banned from this site permanently for comment 46. And if that is what happens as a result of your being reported to the moderator, or if your comment is just deleted, I want everyone to know the reason why so here is comment 46:

    “What do people think about this:

    Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle

    33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
    There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.

    Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

    Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).

    Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.”

  101. 21stCenturySpirituality 30 Oct 2009, 3:56pm

    I mean Stewart Cowan, not Cohan.

  102. jaenny – you keep smearing all gays and bi men so don’t get het up when you are shown to be stupid and wrong

  103. 21st century Sp: It’s best to accuse Cowan of being wrong, which is far more important than whether it is hate inciting or not, which it probably is….. that word appeared nowhere in your message to him!

  104. 21stCenturySpirituality 30 Oct 2009, 4:22pm

    Oh Ive got a much better plan than that Adrian.

    So, Stewart Cowan, do you say that MY motive for undertaking training as Unitarian Lay Pastor next year is to gain access to children to abuse and exploit them?

    Rick George
    Publicity Co-ordinator & Library Superviser
    Edmund Kell Unitarian Church
    Bellevue Road, Southampton

  105. So my prediction in post 5 comes to fruition!

    “No doubt the ExGays, Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians will flock to this thread like bees to honey . . . to prove their point that all gays are perverts.”

    I am no prophet . . . but all one can see is that the evangelical crackpots of nothing but persistent in their incitement of homophobic hatred.

  106. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 5:28pm

    Andrew #68,

    I posted these statistics to find out what people thought about them. The clue was in the very first sentence I wrote:

    “What do people think about this:”

    Will #69,

    You’re playing the man, not the ball. Not impressed.

    Will #77

    “Mr. Cowan IS an alcoholic, you poor retarded little man. He told us so. Hence the wisdom we so love that comes from him.”

    I second his comment #80: “So you used the fact that he is an Alcoholic against wow says a lot about you.

  107. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 5:31pm

    21stCenturySpirituality #100,

    I refer you to my reply to Andrew, above.

    “Incitement to hatred is the clear intention of your remarks in comment 46”

    Such a silly remark proves why Lord Waddington’s free speech amendment is so badly needed.

    What do you want to talk about under an article about a gang of homosexuals who have abused children? Perhaps you want the reporting of such things banned as well.

  108. Actually, its fairly obvious you’re a twisted individual with a personal vendetta against a section of the gay community that does you no harm. I see the alcoholism “brought you to jesus”. Good for you. But it seems to have also brought you the right to be judgemental on others, by using unsubstantiated an agenda driven made up statistic to be abusive on this site.

    So the alcoholism is relevant… you’re hardly a success story to judge me or my life, and I don’t take “morality” advice some one like you any more then I would a drunk on the street lying in a doorway, which is where you spent most of your life according to your blog.

    People like you disgust me, how dare you presume to cast judgement on others with lies and false data, when that time would be better spend addressing your many, many shortcomings.

  109. Oh, and Stewart, and what about the ex-gay nonsense, hmmmm…? If you can’t even be honest to yourself, why on earth would we see you other than a spineless self hating bigot that you are? You can protest on that hack blog of yours until you’re blue in the face, no one believes in the possibility of ex-gays, not medical science, not rational people, and not even the former head of Exodus himself! Like you, Cowen, it’s a sham and a lie.

    Seriously, I hope the religious hogwash makes you feel one bit better about your failed life, but don’t assume I or anyone else here is as weak as you as to swallow your made up statistical nonsense. I find you beneath contempt, as I would all weak minded sanctimonious liars. When you make a rational argument, then I’ll address it in kind. So far, its been lies.

    Does that clear up any misunderstanding, hmmm?

  110. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 6:27pm

    Oh, Will.

    “Actually, its fairly obvious you’re a twisted individual with a personal vendetta against a section of the gay community…”

    Since we’re talking about twisted individuals who sexually abused babies, you appear to be overreacting.

    “you’re hardly a success story to judge me or my life”

    It depends what you call successful. And judgmental. I live in a nice house and run my own business. Most people would call that success, but I don’t. Why? Because I can’t take it with me. Success for me can only be measured in heavenly treasures.

  111. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 6:29pm

    I don’t judge, I warn: as a man warns his friend that he’s about to fall over the edge of a cliff. I’m not being judgmental about his poor directional skills, I’m trying to save his life.

  112. Hello there,

    Data which claims that gays are more likely to abuse children is used almost exclusively on the religious websites. Here are claims made by professional institutions:

    “Screened 175, 15- to 64-year-old males convicted of sexual assault against children with reference to their adult sexual orientation and the sex of their victims. The subjects divided fairly evenly into two groups based on whether they were sexually fixated exclusively on children or had regressed from peer relationships. Female children were victimized nearly twice as often as male children. All regressed offenders, whether their victims were male or female children, were heterosexual in their adult orientation. There were no examples of regression to child victims among peer-oriented, homosexual males. The possibility emerges that homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia may be mutually exclusive and that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male.”

    Source: http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpstgenerally.html

    “Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals or bisexuals molest children at a higher rate than heterosexuals.”

    Source: http://www.apahelpcenter.org/articles/article.php?id=31

    “The children in the group studied were unlikely to have been molested by identifiably gay or lesbian people.”

    Source: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/1/41

    So, therefore, religious extremists have distorted the data.

    Listen, I live in a country where homophobia is strong and religious extremists influential. Currently government wants to pass the adoption law, but right wingers and church are in huge panic. Catholic media is distorting the facts all the time. When I sent the letter last week with actual facts to Catholic paper, they didn’t want to publish it. Why oh why? ;-)

    Liza (from Slovenia)

    PS. And I’m a str8 woman.

  113. This is highly irritating. My story was the most commented on this week till Stewart Cowan came here and sprayed this site with holy graffiti! :-)

  114. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 6:34pm

    Hi Adrian,

    Sorry about that. I think Jaeenny has to take his share of the blame.

    ;-)

  115. “Success for me can only be measured in heavenly treasures.”

    Its not my yardstick, Stewart, so please don’t comapre everyone to your religious extremism viewpoint, its offensive to the intelligent among us. Besides, I doubt many people who lie like you do to themselves an others actually make it to heaven.

  116. 21stCenturySpirituality 30 Oct 2009, 7:33pm

    Stewart Cowan, the fact remains that you posted material here that is clearly designed to incite hatred and prejudice towards gay and lesbian people. My response illustrates quite clearly what I think of it. The material implys that gay people who want to take on the role of spiritual leadership within a religious organisation are motivated by a desire to abuse children. I find that statement insidious, spiteful, offensive, cruel and without merit. I take it personally because I am going to train as a Unitarian Minister and I am disgusted that you would even suggest that as a motivating factor in my decision. How dare you post such a disgusting and scurrelous attack on my faith.

  117. I wouldn’t be too worried about the likes of Stewart Cowen, 21stCenturySpirituality, his own blog shows sympathies for BNP policies, Jan Moir, the death penalty, and that foolish notion of creationism. Just another right wing nut who can’t think outside hate, discrimination, and dogma.

    And have a look at this:

    “That’s because the mainstream parties are controlled by global elites who want an end of national sovereignty to create a global government.”

    This is the fantastical realm of the paranoid delusional, and is exactly what that other low life Hank spouts regularly.

    The man is neither educated or representative of normal people(thankfully!). His only real achievement to his existence is a third rate blog of religious nonsense and insipid self gratification, and his belief in this “new world order” is nothing short of paranoid schizophrenia. No doubt he has a tin foil hat too!

    You, 21stCenturySpirituality, as a Unitarian have more Christianity in your little finger than this bottom feeder could ever achieve in his lifetime. And what’s worse, and very tragic, is he doesn’t even realise it. So let him wallow in his own thinly disguised delusions of fear and paranoia, you’ll be a fine addition to your church and a better advocate for religion than a badly written blog could ever be. Best of luck with your studies!

  118. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 8:44pm

    I object – where have I lied, Will? I submitted statistics and encouraged debate, which few people seem to be interested in doing. I understand how much easier it is just to call me names and bring up my past.

  119. You have obviously submitted material distorted by religious groups – that website was religious. I have submitted material made by experts. (30 oct, 18:28)

  120. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 9:07pm

    You really are the giddy limit, Will. Stop being so shifty.

    “his own blog shows sympathies for BNP policies”

    What I actually wrote was this:

    “What annoys me the most is that the self-righteous jump on the anti-BNP bandwagon to cover up their own evils. Yes, the BNP is racist and I won’t be voting for them for that reason”

    As for Jan Moir, I defended her right to free speech.

    As for the death penalty, I said it should be reinstated for traitors only.

    “and that foolish notion of creationism”

    You want to ban people from having certain thoughts and beliefs, I realise that. That’s because you’re selfish. N’est pas? As Jean-Paul might say.

  121. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 9:13pm

    N’est-ce pas, even.

  122. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 9:20pm

    Oh, Will. To understand more about the plans for a world government, just look at what’s happened in Europe ALREADY. They are talking about the EU collecting income tax, and indeed there looks likely to be GLOBAL taxes.

    Who could arrange global taxes, but some sort of global government?

    I’m not interested in spending my Friday night, or any night, swapping insults with you.

    And your thinly-veiled attempt at gaining the high ground is truly lamentable.

  123. “I submitted statistics”

    No, you submitted hate filled lies, Stewart. And then referenced a site that is pure bigoted rubbish, its laughable. Ergo, you’re a liar. The only “debate” is if you’re just a liar or you are truly stupid and believe his nonsense.

    New world order…. paranoid schizophrenia. Occam’s razor. I don’t discuss delusions with the mentally ill, sorry, there’s nothing else to it. Only tin foil hat wearing nutters dream up this stuff. An EU wide tax does not exist. The EU is not global. There is no global tax, nor is anyone talking about it.

    What’s actually “lamentable” here is that alcoholism and being an ex-gay are really the least of your worries, you need medical help.

  124. Stewart Cowan 30 Oct 2009, 9:33pm

    You’re just showing yourself up, Will.

  125. Yeah, sure I am…. I REALLY trust the opinion of some right wing nut who believes in delusional persecutions. Don’t forget the tin foil hat, or the “LGBT community backed by the NWO barbarian movement” will steal your thoughts.

  126. They only have one message
    They only have one story
    They only have one entrenched position

    Hate Hate Hate

    This is all they know
    This is all they want to propogate
    This is all they want to insipire

    Do not feed the Fundamentalist Christian Crackpots . . . Trolls

  127. “You’re just showing yourself up, Will.”

    I don’t believe he is, Stewart. He seems to have gathered the measure of you quite well. You produce a website with some very ridiculous claims, and you think that constitutes the start of a debate? Its offensive enough that you produced that nonsense on a gay site, but its more offensive to think that we would accept this as some kind of “fact” to begin a debate. Why on earth would we debate against lies? Liza has already shown you where you have erred in this respect. And I have seen you previous postings on this site, which are nothing short of, well, lies to be honest. Will has put it quite right, I’m afraid, you are quite delusional if you think any of us will accept your so called evidence in lieu of rational discourse. I’m sure more true Christians find you equally repulsive to human decency.

  128. @Tomas . . .

    Cowen high jacks religion for his own perverse aims, there is nothing “Godly” or “Christian” about him.

    He masquerades his hatred as a serious of biblical truths so that he can justify the violence he feels towards LGBT people.

    Any reasonable person can see the crackpot nature of his assertions, Mr Cowen cannot because he is consumed by his hatred which forces him to live in rather confined and self-referential delusion.

  129. 21stCenturySpirituality 30 Oct 2009, 11:39pm

    Stewart Cowan I’ll give you a debate…on national television in front of a live audience. Who’s with me?

  130. He’s not worth the effort.

  131. 21stCenturySpirituality 31 Oct 2009, 9:55am

    Oh but Rose, we’d wipe the floor with him wouldnt we. Now what are Richard Dawkins, Peter Owen Jones, & John Shelby Spongs e-mail addresses? Oh and Sam Harris, Terry Sanderson, hmmmm who else could we invite?

  132. Rose is spot on, as always. You can’t win against his kind. Too programmed. Too full of hate to be rational.

  133. National Television?! There’s enough religion on the TV as it is!

  134. Jean-Paul Bentham 31 Oct 2009, 11:41am

    To repaet…I mean repeat my post 11:

    “What about the children? Does anybody know who and where they are now? The children are in serious need of help and support for a long, long time.

    (Report comment to the moderator)

    Comment by Jean-Paul Bentham — October 29, 2009 @ 16:23″

    And I am quite serious about it. These children have been identified, right? Well, I am curious to know what kind of family services are offered by the Scottish Government and by the UK in general to ttempt to evaluate how the child has been affected and how to help chidren who have lost their innocence much too early in life.

  135. Redbone619 1 Nov 2009, 12:07am

    These Ur Peens and Canucks and suchlike continue to mystify and enrage me with their pathetic sentences for the vilest of crimes, from serial killers up north getting nothing but 25-year stretches WITH parole to some French killer rapist with 7 victims to its discredit that got even less time than that to this preposterous nonsense about 13/16 years for repulsive sex crimes against children. I had my way, these cretins would first get their tiny-toon adventures equipment axed off, and while they’re screaming about that a nice red-hot iron poker goes slowly up their twitching rectums to complete the picture. The most twisted among us deserve the most exquisite agony for their fate to make de Sade jealous, not no feather-light sentences that are a disgrace to humanity and a gross injustice to their victims/survivors. But with anything approaching luck, their fellows behind bars will make things “particularly uncomfortable” for them – Deathly So would be nice.

  136. Jean-Paul Bentham 3 Nov 2009, 4:59am

    I don’t stats, but it’s not uncommonto hear that a child-molester was found hanging somewhere in prison, and I don’t mean in isolation.

    Redbone619’s phrase: ‘their fellows behind bars will make things “particularly uncomfortable” for them’ is plain common sense to me.

    It’s the children who need to face the future and to become valuable citizens.

  137. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Nov 2009, 1:31am

    Jaeeny:

    Go pound sand up your ass…now!

    Stewart Cowan:

    The nexttime I want sh*t out of you, I’ll squeeze your head.

    Leave us alone; go play in the traffic. Allez sur’l’diable! Now!!

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