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Nick Griffin claims former National Front leader offered him gay sex

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  1. Michael, Liverpool 23 Oct 2009, 4:00pm

    Notice that Nick couldn’t resist the final dig of equating homosexuals with pedophiles. The temptation must have been too hard for him. All gay men convicted for having under-age “illegal” gay sex prior to age of consent changes, have been removed from the sex offenders register. Their convictions have been quashed and their innocence quite rightly reclaimed. Nick Griffin should be ashamed of himself for putting consenting gay men in the same bracket as pedophiles, it’s an absolute disgrace!!! I was also disgusted by the fact that Nick did everything to deny being a racist on Question Time, but quite unashamedly admitted to finding gay kisses “creepy”. Further evidence that even today it is more socially acceptable to be a homophobe than a racist. The outrage from audience members and fellow panelists was mild to say the least, compared to that expressed at his racism!!!

  2. Many straight people find two men kissing “creepy”. That doesn’t make them homophobic. Stop treating everyone that doesn’t follow your views as being anti-gay.

  3. Michael, Liverpool 23 Oct 2009, 4:17pm

    Are you for real??? Check the definition of homophobia: prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality.

    Saying the sight of two gay men kissing is creepy IS, therefore, a homophobic comment. Just as saying the sight of two black people kissing would be racist. Seriously, I’ll ask you again, are you for real???

  4. Simon Murphy 23 Oct 2009, 4:54pm

    Nick Griffin is obviously a sexually dyfunctional weirdo if he thinks like this.

    Baroness Warsi from the Tory Party is also a sexually dysfunctional weirdo for her support of Section 28 and the pathetic attempt she made to dodge the question about Civil partnerships on Question Time last night.

  5. People DO actually find two men people “creepy” – it’s a fact fact of life. We may not like it, but it’s true. Despite your protestations – there’s a HUGE number of straight men that do find it creepy… They can’t help it. It’s the way of the world.

  6. Nick Griffin Says
    “A lot of people find the site of two men kissing in public a bit creepy. I understand that homosexuals don’t understand that, but that is how a lot of us feel. A lot of Christians feel that way.

    “Creepy”
    * Lets unpack his choice of words
    * Lets get to the heart of his euphemistic turns of phrase
    * Lets make explicit what underlies his hatred of LGBT people

    1.Creepy – To move or advance slowly or stealthy, or to move or grow slowly along the ground (Chambers Dictionary)

    What is in his mind? . . . Presumably the stereotype that all gay men want to seduce heterosexual men, and or corrupt children.

    2.Creepy – To have the physical sensation of something creeping over or under the skin: to shudder. (Chambers Dictionary)

    What is in his mind? . . . Presumably repulsion, built on the stereotype of contagion in which LGBT people are seen as polluting diseased or abnormal.

  7. Michael, Liverpool

    . . . RobN – is for real

    But he does have a cuddly . . . Vampire side.

  8. Tim Hopkins 23 Oct 2009, 5:36pm

    Interesting that Griffin appears to be using homophobia to denigrate someone who has presumably in the past been a potential rival for the fascist leaderhsip. Hitler did the same, to Roehm, the commander of the SA (the paramilitary wing of the Nazi party). Although with rather more fatal consequences for Roehm.

    Incidentally the age of consent was 21 in the 70s (in England and Wales) – not 18 as the article says. But that still doesn’t make someone who had sex with someone aged 16 a paedophile.

  9. People DO actually find two men people “creepy”

    Yes. I’ve noticed that. So they need to see it more often until they stop being creeped out. More gays should kisds in places where people kiss.

  10. Actually, what I find creepy is the thought of anyone snogging that pudgy fascist creep. But I guess it takes all sorts…
    Peter Serafinowicz dubbed him “Adolf Brent” on Twitter last night, which I thought was a great moniker for him.

  11. Personally, I do not find a man and a women kissing creepy . . .

    Why is it that some people find – Two men or Two women kissing . . . creepy ???

  12. Vincent Poffley 23 Oct 2009, 6:09pm

    It is true. Many straight people do find gay people kissing “creepy”. It is the way of the world. But it does not HAVE to be the way of the world. There is nothing intrinsically “creepy” about same-sex affection, it is merely learned behaviour propagated by bigoted systems and homophobic cultures. People can be educated, homophobia can be rolled back, the cultural prejudices can be overcome. It is a positive duty that we do this as often as we possibly can. I myself would make a point of displaying my affection in public as often as I could, were I able to find a boyfriend to do it with.

    As for Nick Griffin, I thoroughly suspect that he is either gay or bisexual. Such rabid homophobia is very often found among self-hating gays under the thrall of vile ideologies (catholic church anyone?). Mind you, the mere idea of being in the same room as the oleaginous creep makes me want to retch. Russel Howard said it best: “he looks like somebody has stretched luncheon meat over a toad”.

  13. poeticlicense 23 Oct 2009, 6:40pm

    Well here is the video, judge for yourselves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJPeH_w_how&feature=related

  14. David Griff 23 Oct 2009, 7:00pm

    It is true that some straight people find the sight of same sex affection creepy…or atleast they say they do, but in reality it’s only really the insecure ones, none of my straight friends care about my displays of affection to my partner. The sentiment Griffin expressed is childish and immature, end of story.

  15. Michael: Yes I am for real.

    However you might feel about your sexuality, it’s something you have personally come to terms with. However, many people have not, particularly ones that don’t live in urban areas that have never witnessed it. Even you cannot deny we are a minority, and that the general norm is men and women kiss, same sexes do not. It is regarded by many as unnatural. I am sure in time many will get used to the idea, but it is a slow transition, and you must allow people the time to change. Spouting accusations of homophobia only pushes people further away. They are not homophobic, just ignorant, and doing what nature often expects.

  16. Michael, Liverpool 23 Oct 2009, 9:55pm

    I’m genuinely saddened by your reluctance to challenge homophobia whenever it occurs. Nick Griffin was on a TV show with an audience of 8 million people, and in front of a live studio audience of many different backgrounds. A man of his age should have known better than to spout such ignorance. He knew full well the attention was clearly focused on him and he had no shame in expressing his contempt of who we are. What upsets me the most is that his comments were not just homophobic, but quite frankly bad mannered! Are you now excusing bad manners aswell? One of his comments was that he didn’t mind what adults do behind closed doors, well let’s turn it back on him…I don’t care what he thinks so long as he keeps it to himself! Is that a fair attitude to take? Or do you suggest we continue letting these so called “politicians”, and people with power, get away with their comments? It’s in our interest to challenge them and defend who we are. Never forget the fact that this bigot has influence in the European Parliament…and has a potential impact over our daily life…what a scary thought!!! We have every right to say exactly how we feel about him. Have you given up or something? I’m interested…

  17. Michael: Nick Griffin was on a live TV show being ripped apart by a bunch of cackling hyenas. This was not ‘QT’, it was a lynch mob.
    I treat the BBC and that show with the contempt it deserves. I am no supporter of the BNP, but everyone deserves to be allowed to speak.
    What happened there was wrong, and having seen the complaints come back after the show, many more supported Griffin than lambasted him. That’s what you get when you try to force peoples hands.

  18. one of them is a liar and the other is a hypocrite!

  19. As someone whose relationship only became ‘legal’ when the male/male AOC was lowered from 21 to 18 in the 1990s, I am also very disappointed that the Pink Paper could make such an elementary error as to claim 18 was the AOC in the 1970s.

    Perhaps we need an LGBT history month in Autumn as well as Spring, just to keep everyone on the ball.

    Also there has never been an AOC specifically for “gays”. The ages of consent between two males, and between a male and a female, have always been applied regardless of each person’s self-perceived sexuality.

  20. Eagle the militant American Indian-Jew 24 Oct 2009, 2:42am

    [quote] “I took a party that said that homosexuality should be outlawed.”

    How do you outlaw something that is nature? That’s like outlawing black people or Chinese or Mexicans. This guy is goofing as all get out, and how he ever was able to get in politics in the first place shows the mind of the people who backed him. With weirdos like that running the country it is no small wonder why Great Britain is so Third World backward in their thinking on gays and lesbians. At least the USA has politicians that stand up to gay rights and states that let them marry, and now a national hate crime bill that makes any crime against gays a double crime, getting a double penalty.Here we are in the year 2009 and of all people to make such a remark as this English idiot made, shows the world that England has a lot of catching up to do with more civilized countries as scientist proved years ago that homosexuality is very normal amongst both humans and animals. But then I suppose people in England don’t read books or go to school past the sixth grade. Oh well.

  21. Vincent Poffley 24 Oct 2009, 3:29am

    Erm… I think you’ll find that England is actually far in advance of the USA when it comes to gay rights, and so far in advance when it comes to popular culture and perceptions of gay people it’s not funny. Not only do we have civil partnerships and anti-discrimination laws, we’re also much, much less willing to give credance to religious bigotry, because Britain is a far less religious country than the US. I think you misunderstand the nature of the BNP. They’re not a major political party – far from it. They have no MPs. They have perhaps two local town councillors in the entirety of the country, and two MEPs. They are a group of fascistic fringe nutcases entirely comparable to the Klu Klux Klan. To say they’re running the country is rather like saying that Jerry Falwell is the president of the United States…

  22. Vincent: This may be so, but all major partys were once marginals. My suspicion that the BBC and Question Time, through their virulent attack on Griffin, may well have done more harm than good, and I was right:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6417906/One-in-four-would-consider-voting-BNP.html

  23. “Nick Griffin claims former National Front leader offered him gay sex?”

    Wow…was he desperate!

  24. I’m glad I’d had my breakfast well before reading this. It would be hard to keep something down faced with the thought of Webster and Griffin at it. Now there’s creepy!!

  25. This story is really been spun by Griffin and the BNP. The story has been around for ages without a reply until now. Webster even challenged griffin to sue him for liable if the story is not true yet no action has been taken by Griffin in ten years.

    The former BNP leader has got Nick Griffin down to a T and even mentions this in his website.

    The ‘gay’ story

    Well, it is interesting to learn that Nick Griffin these days considers defamation of himself a cause for action against the defamer, for this did not seem to be his attitude back in 1999, when a former high ranking National Front official, Martin Webster, put out a circular alleging a homosexual relationship between himself and Griffin back in the late 1970s. Webster, in doing this, challenged Griffin to take him to court for libel if the allegation was untrue.”

    Read it on this link spearhead.com/0310-jt2.html

    What other party provides you with the info to bring them down.

    Nick Griffin is just looking for something to justify his homophobia on. He knows that the question about homosexuality was where he really let the cat out the bag about his fascist manifesto on question time.

  26. Robert, ex pat Brit 24 Oct 2009, 2:23pm

    RobN…Griffin opposes civil partnerships and doesn’t think we should have any equality and he finds same-sex couples kissing “creepy”? Demeaning, denigrating and dehumanising us by negative comments about us and not supporting any semblance of equality based on those fears is downright homophobia. I suppose in your view, if he called for our annihilation that wouldn’t be homophobic either. Why is it that gays don’t object to hetero couples kissing in public or call for removing their rights to marry? We don’t go on a tirade when we’re confronted with hetero sex scenes display on television and in film, shoving their orientation down our throats. Just because they are in the majority doesn’t make them right or any better. These bigots can’t have it both ways. He doesn’t want any sex education in schools, then he should start a ban on straights kissing in public, a display of their sexual orientation, for starters.

    Now to the paedophile equation. Putting a cynical slant on this, in England, an underage child who has reached the age of 16 can with parental consent, marry. Exclude the marriage and a 16 year old of either gender having sex with an older person would be construed as a victim of paedophilia. Allowing underage children to marry is nothing more than state sanctioned paedophilia and would confirm that the overwhelming perpetrators of paedophilia are straights and their religious cults who are complicit in supporting such marriages.

  27. Robert, ex-Brit: “We don’t go on a tirade when we’re confronted with hetero sex scenes display on television and in film”

    That’s because we are in a minority, you f_ckwit. Nobody is saying “Don’t do it”, but you like so many others demand explicit, rigid tolerance of all things gay, but are not prepared to tolerate even the slightest non-acceptance of anything that might not show LGBT people in a 100% good and equal light. Well, sunshine, I’ve got news for you, we might want to be treated equally, but we will never *BE* equal because there are more of them than us. That fact will never change. As I said in an earlier post, these things take time, and public opinions move and change, and in time, hopefully we will be seen on a par, but until then, stop automatically assuming because some may find us disturbing, it’s not through any malicious reason, but because they don’t know any better. Would you call a child that says “Ugh! Mummy! Look at that man with no arms and legs” cruel or malicious? No. They just need educating.

  28. Robert, ex pat Brit 24 Oct 2009, 6:27pm

    RobN, why do you use foul language when you disagree with someone? You haven’t understood anything I’ve said nor do you understand what homophobia really is if it bit you in the rear end. Seems as if there’s a bit of self-loathing going on in your private world to defend Griffin’s homophobia which it clearly is.

  29. Robert, ex pat Brit 24 Oct 2009, 6:51pm

    Eagle, third world backward thinking? NOT. We’ve had hate crime legislation protecting gay people since May 2008. No we don’t have full marriage equality yet but at least every gay person can move around the country,live in any county and have his or her civil partnership recognised, we don’t have to move to another part of the country to have those rights either.

    We have a national police force openly recruiting gays to join the force as well as a military that welcomes them with open arms, unlike the U.S. Plus, every gay couple has the right to adopt children, unlike the U.S. where there are bans on it and bans in 30 states or more on gay couples marrying or having their marriages recognised if performed elsewhere. American gay married couples don’t even have federal recognition, how absurd and backward is that? Further, we don’t have a lunatic right wing conservative group of religious bigots thwarting legislation and denying people a right to marry after legislation is passed allowing them to do just that. We’re not a perfect, progressive society but a damn sight better in a lot of ways than the U.S. on social issues alone. We never had segregation of black people either or miscegenation laws prohibiting black people from interracial marriage either or the degree of hatred and divisiveness apparent in American society. Want to talk about backward thinking now? I think the shoe is on the other foot my friend.

  30. Mihangel apYrs 24 Oct 2009, 7:56pm

    RobN et al
    a lot of straght men definitely do not find the sight of two women snogging creepy, apart from the creeping feeling in their undies as something expands!

  31. @ RobN (27): ‘That’s because we are in a minority, you f_ckwit.’

    Why are so many of your posts so full of hatred? The fact that you assume anyone who disagrees with you is stupid says a lot about your own capacity for tolerance.

    RobN: ‘Well, sunshine, I’ve got news for you, we might want to be treated equally, but we will never *BE* equal because there are more of them than us.’

    I’m glad homosexuals and their sympathisers didn’t think in such a limited and defeatist fashion back in the 1950s, otherwise homosexuality would probably still be illegal. In 2009, if you add together everyone who isn’t straight and everyone else who thinks that those people should have equal rights with heterosexuals, I’m pretty sure you’d have a statistical majority.

  32. Pumpkin Pie 25 Oct 2009, 12:10am

    RobN is loving every second of this. He wants the BNP to come into power so bad. He wants us to be punished for speaking out of turn, for demanding equality, for responding when we are denigrated, for daring to be mean to the poor widdle BNP. But, most of all, he wants us punished for daring to make him look bad. He’s deeply ashamed that he was born one of us. He takes out his frustrations on us for embarrassing him in front of the straights. He so badly wants to be one of them, to be “normal”. He wants us to be put back in our place, through whatever means, so that he can finally look good again.

    Also, what the hell do you think free speech is, RobN? Griffin was allowed to speak his mind and insult us. Others were allowed to speak their minds and insult him. Free speech isn’t about being protected for saying whatever you want, it’s about having the responsibility to say whatever you want and then deal with the consequences. I thought you hated all this namby-pamby molly-coddling stuff? Free speech is not for cowards, so why does that not make you happy? I thought you didn’t like cowards?

    And the fact that the BNP-supporters were outnumbered, what would you have liked them to do? Make the audience pretend to be sympathetic? Artificially inflate the BNP nhumbers by having a set quota of audience members? Oh, wait! That’s affirmitive action, and you hate that! Grr! Nasty minorities trying to be artificially equal!

    Basically, you don’t really want free speech, do you? You wanted Griffin to be able to lambast us all night long with everybody clapping and cheering, maybe even nestling up by his feet as if he’s telling a bedtime story. You don’t want free speech, you just want special treatment. Not for any old minority, just for you and those who share your opinions on various matters. All you want is revenge on us for daring to embarrass you in front of others.

    Oh, and maybe a metre-high soap box contained in a protective perspex cube, a megaphone, an elite cadre of bodyguards with attack dogs, and gagging orders for anyone who so much as looks at you funny. Go on! Might as well treat yourself!

  33. Hardly a surprise when the deepest-rooted homophobes are often discovered to have homosexual tendencies themselves!

  34. Robert, ex pat Brit 25 Oct 2009, 2:24pm

    I also find it hypocritical of the government when it bans Geert Wilders, Michael Savage, Fred Phelps and others from entering the UK and yet we allow our home-grown anti-gay demagogues a free pass. Its beyond the double-standard. I don’t support incendiary speech when it implies discrimination, violence towards an entire group of people and in some cases killing them. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of the system. Words most certainly do have consequences.

    RobN, the fact that many straight men are turned on by two women getting it on is a classic example of hetero hypocrisy and bigotry at its worst. Straights need to grow up and get over it, we’re here and we’re not going back in the closet, get used to it. We pay our taxes, fight in their dirty wars and even are killed in the process, we’re every bit as good as they are and in many cases, a whole lot better! We don’t form hate groups to discriminate against straights now do we, let alone take away or tamper with their rights no matter how we may disagree with them just because they’re the majority, it doesn’t make them right. Just because we’re the minority doesn’t wash any more and I for one refuse to be lulled into a false sense of inferiority because I’m gay and less than they are, nor will I act as their apologist, a trait of self-loathing.

  35. Vincent Poffley 25 Oct 2009, 3:03pm

    Yes, hear hear. Of course they should have discussed all the other issues. Business as normal, that’s the ticket. The industrial action of the Bundespost is an important issue. The irregularities with the expense claims of the members of the Reichstag deserve to take centre stage. The continuing struggles in Deutsch-Ostafrika must be given their share of the time. How dare they devote all this attention to showing the people’s dislike of Mr. Hitler and his nasty little party?

  36. Where there’s smoke there’s usually … jism … particularly when over-the-top raging homophobes are involved. They probably mated like crazed weasels for YEARS; they just don’t have the ‘nads to admit it.

  37. LOL ok really

  38. Nick Griffin offered gay sex….he wishes!!!

  39. Has anyone yet commented on how creepy (actually nausiating) it is to think of Nick Griffin having sex of any kind! YUK!!!) ;-)

  40. andrew williams 26 Oct 2009, 12:13pm

    The comment nick griffin of the BNP made suggesting gay people kissing was creepy must understand that the majority of gay and lesbian people think that a man and a woman kissing is creepy and what some straight people do in bed disgusting.

  41. Vomment 42- The comment nick griffin of the BNP made suggesting gay people kissing was creepy must understand that the majority of gay and lesbian people think that a man and a woman kissing is creepy and what some straight people do in bed disgusting’

    I asm sure they don’t. I mean, why would anyone think that the act that gave them life, and gave life to themselvesch thirds, their friends and lovers, disgusting?
    If that stops, there would be noone left !

  42. Barry, Northampton 26 Oct 2009, 8:13pm

    The site of two men kissing in public normally gives me a tingling feeling all over, caused I think by a sense of pride and happiness that there are people brave enough to show their feelings in public. Creepy, I think not!
    As for the gay affair/offer of sex, maybe Mr Griffin should experience it before judging.

  43. I can relate in a way, the thought of seeing old people kissing is gross to me, so i can understand how seeing two men kiss can be creepy to some people
    Still, it’s not illegal and i shouldn’t be a second class citizen for it

    And watching question time was a waste of time
    Nick Griffin was a victim there and i felt appalled at the way he was treated, he is still an MEP and should have been asked about more of his policies
    Labour even got an easy ride by only having to look good in comparison rather than answer for all the stupid things they do
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the BNP get more votes from Griffin’s treatment

  44. “At least the USA has politicians that stand up to gay rights and states that let them marry, and now a national hate crime bill”

    You are a jackass Eagle
    We are far in advance of America for treatment of gays and lesbians in the UK
    We can get married here, and you can’t unless you go to one of about 8 states
    We can adopt, we don’t have DADT in the army and we have gay politicians
    We have had these for years while America is still challenging gay rights in court
    Exactly what i’d expect from an American so far up his own arse he can’t see what other countries are doing

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