Why – because the whole thing is a farce. But it is all about power and money and control. Which is exactly what people like hitler, Mao, Stalin, Saddam are about – power, money and control, and to hell with anyone in their way.

The world needs a big big abortion – of the Vatican. Child molesters, hiders of child molesters for decades, the hatred of Jesus own people, the Jews, which hitler used to give us WWII.

the crusades against the Muslims. over 600 years, upwards of 5o million were murdered in the name of Jesus, but really to steal the riches of a vibrant society while europe wallowed in a thousand year dark ages. Where the church burned witches, reformest priests, and Jews at the stake.

Need I say more, except to pray to the God Vesuvius II, that he will re-appear directly under the vatican, and swallow up this monstrosity into the hellfires of the earths core.

And then God will truly have returned. I suspect he hasn’t because Jesus can’t stand the thought of what has been done in His Name by this church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZz_pxZ2lw (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFTj9n40rNo (Part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-q8US0QRs4 (Part 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQRkfZzyfcU (Part 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i391gBoEo58 (Part 5)

Enjoy!

Exactly.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PopeBan/

Not therapy and the Church; therapy for the faithful.

The word “church” is so ambivalent as to have at least 7 different meanings.

Me, and millions of “cradle-Catholics” like me, are the ones who need therapy; and I for one dread to think what shape the world would be in if Freud and Jung and all the other giants whose tremendous discoveries have saved an untold number of lives has never existed.

Of course, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but a person who has been refused the right to think for himself all his life…well, you know the rest, don’t you?

Dysfunctional Groups?
What do you mean by Gay Prejudices?
What do you mean by Gay Hypocrisy?

. . . or our you just shouting you mouth off!!!

PeterB, have you not been following the growing legal protection and rights of children which have been developing over the last 20 years?

Gays are protected by the law and Catholics by God but what about the children? Who will protect them? Not the gays and not the Catholics because they are too busy scoring points.

You’re on your own kids! And so it shall ever be!

As Woody Allen famously said in the film the Sleeper . . . (something like this) – I have not seen my analyst in 200 years, he was a strict Freudian . . . I might have nearly been cured by now . . . lol.

Therapy and the Church . . . ummmmmm

As Woody Allen famous said in the film the Sleepy . . . (something like this) – I have not seen my analyst in 200 years, he was a strict Freudian . . . I might have nearly been cured by now . . . lol.

Therapy and the Church . . . ummmmmm

The Anglo-catholic movement within the Church of England probably dates from around 1876 or slightly earlier with the advent of St Stephens House Oxford, one of the first Anglo-catholic theological training colleges for the ordination of priest within the Church of England. I think it is probably fair to say that the Tractarian movement who founded the college can be seen as standing for the catholic tradition within the Church of England.

Wow! I thought I was the only person in the world to know something about the Oxford Movement. Turns out, I had it all upside down.

Yes, I did think the Oxford Movement was an effort to bring brilliant Englishmen back to the RCC.

You said:

“The Oxford movement was not set up as a reparative overture to Rome; it was set up to restore the Catholic tradition within the Church of England.”

Are you telling me that Newman founded the Anglo-Catholic Church?

How does this church fit in with the CoE then?

I know my stuff when it comes to Catholicism, but I was always too entralled with its theologies to delve into the CoE in any length.

The other day you surprised me too when you spoke briefly of Liberation Theology. So few people I know are aware of LT, and how successful it was in South America, not to mention its possibilities for all minority groups.

Of course, Ratzy condemned it, and set me in a tailspin from which I will never recover. In other words, I have turned my back to the RCC. Ain’t interested no mo’.

One is never too old to learn. Love it!

“The results of a debate on Intelligence Squared may well be impressive, but they are hardly going to prevent the back-room religious politics of the RCC to tighten its grip on the land of the Anglo-Saxons, and the RCC intends to do it by claiming the remains (?) of John Cardinal Newman and constructing a shrine to him where his failed Oxford Movement in the UK would be given a second chance to bring the English intelligentsia onto the path to Rome.”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

In part I agree with what you are saying, but I am more optimistic.

When the ordination of women priest was finally instigated 15 years ago; the Anglo-catholic wing saw the first move of clergy to Rome. . . As I see it the “Oxford Movement” is not in danger, it will continue to flourish since more highly intelligent, creative and liberal women now have increasingly more space to join its ranks; which will ultimately make it a more inclusive movement.

My feeling is that Anglo-Catholicism will continue to live up to the spirit of its founder. The Pope can only dream of incorporating it into Rome. Unfortunately, he will not be able to have this Jewel in his Papal Crown since Newman will continue to reign supreme. . . The Oxford movement was not set up as a reparative overture to Rome; it was set up to restore the Catholic tradition within the Church of England.

At present it had been splendidly restored . . . if not at present undergoing a post-modern restoration in line with the free thinking spirit of Newman.

Thks Bentham.

Replace the word “dot” with a real dot and see if this works.

http://www dot youtube.com/watch?v=TjGkRFFBd0A

http://www dot youtube.com/watch?v=A_E0vfP79yE

http://www dot youtube.com/watch?v=pyXIeB1qI6w

Let me know, OK.

“A good man do not open the back door of his house to his friend’s wife”