Comments on: SNP criticises UK government over gay and lesbian asylum seekers http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/ News, reviews and comment from Europe's largest gay news service Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:16:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: AndyD http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-79525 AndyD Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:11:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-79525 JohnK - you don't seem to get the fact that although there is a seperate Scottish legal system this does not avoid the fact that the UK Government was responsible for creating criminal justice legislation in Scotland until the creation of the Scottish Parliament. So although homosexuality was decriminalised in 1967 the Labour Government between 1974 and 1979 refused to introduce legislation to decriminalise homosexuality in Scotland. It was within Labour's power - they didn't do it. It's ironic that in 1980, under a Thatcher Government, the legislation in Scotland was finally brought into line with England. As for claims by others that the SNPs main vote in catholic, or Muslim I would refer you to Dr James Mitchell's research on the SNP vote and membership - which clearly show that neither group is a main factor in the SNP vote or membership (Catholics account for less than 10% of SNP members) JohnK – you don’t seem to get the fact that although there is a seperate Scottish legal system this does not avoid the fact that the UK Government was responsible for creating criminal justice legislation in Scotland until the creation of the Scottish Parliament.

So although homosexuality was decriminalised in 1967 the Labour Government between 1974 and 1979 refused to introduce legislation to decriminalise homosexuality in Scotland. It was within Labour’s power – they didn’t do it.

It’s ironic that in 1980, under a Thatcher Government, the legislation in Scotland was finally brought into line with England.

As for claims by others that the SNPs main vote in catholic, or Muslim I would refer you to Dr James Mitchell’s research on the SNP vote and membership – which clearly show that neither group is a main factor in the SNP vote or membership (Catholics account for less than 10% of SNP members)

]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78675 RobN Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:56:31 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78675 Andy: "Doesn't seem like you read at all, books are not just for burning, you know." Well I still have to suffer reading your supercilious crap. Andy: “Doesn’t seem like you read at all, books are not just for burning, you know.”

Well I still have to suffer reading your supercilious crap.

]]> By: Anthony Bermon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78525 Anthony Bermon Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:46:39 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78525 It's no secret that the Catholic church leadership in Scotland favour the SNP and they make their feelings known to the Cathloic voters. There is also a significant movement within the Muslim community in Scotland which supports independence. The SNP have been actively trying to court these two groups over the last few years, and it's paying off. Working class Catholics traditionally voted Labour, but in the last couple of generations a lot of these working class Catholics have become more middle class and therefore no longer feel that they have to support Labour. When you add in Labour's relatively pro-gay and pro-abortion choice stance over the last ten years, then Catholics have been turning to the SNP in Scotland, and the SNP have been more than happy to embrace this catholic and Muslim voters although it means being homophobic. Can I state again that I do not suppport any one party, in fact I used to vote SNP but feel let down by them over the last few years. It's as though they've decided that the Catholic and Muslim votes are worth more than the LGBT votes. It’s no secret that the Catholic church leadership in Scotland favour the SNP and they make their feelings known to the Cathloic voters. There is also a significant movement within the Muslim community in Scotland which supports independence. The SNP have been actively trying to court these two groups over the last few years, and it’s paying off. Working class Catholics traditionally voted Labour, but in the last couple of generations a lot of these working class Catholics have become more middle class and therefore no longer feel that they have to support Labour. When you add in Labour’s relatively pro-gay and pro-abortion choice stance over the last ten years, then Catholics have been turning to the SNP in Scotland, and the SNP have been more than happy to embrace this catholic and Muslim voters although it means being homophobic. Can I state again that I do not suppport any one party, in fact I used to vote SNP but feel let down by them over the last few years. It’s as though they’ve decided that the Catholic and Muslim votes are worth more than the LGBT votes.

]]> By: Andy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78506 Andy Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:45:43 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78506 "Your government's f_cked it already" What an intelligent statement Rob. Zero idea what point you are trying to make here, but I'm sure its truly inspiring none the less. I'm sure you and your kind would rather a religious totalitarian dictatorship than a democracy that hold human rights in some esteem, and so I do apologise that the Scottish Government does so from time to time. Don't read much history Rob, do you? Doesn't seem like you read at all, books are not just for burning, you know. “Your government’s f_cked it already”

What an intelligent statement Rob. Zero idea what point you are trying to make here, but I’m sure its truly inspiring none the less. I’m sure you and your kind would rather a religious totalitarian dictatorship than a democracy that hold human rights in some esteem, and so I do apologise that the Scottish Government does so from time to time. Don’t read much history Rob, do you? Doesn’t seem like you read at all, books are not just for burning, you know.

]]> By: JohnK http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78502 JohnK Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:45:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78502 . . . taking into a account that Scotland has always had its own legal system based on "Scots law" . . . Not English Law . . . one is left to wonder were the blame really does lie with regards the later decriminalisation of homosexuality in Scotland compared with England ? . . . taking into a account that Scotland has always had its own legal system based on “Scots law” . . . Not English Law

. . . one is left to wonder were the blame really does lie with regards the later decriminalisation of homosexuality in Scotland compared with England ?

]]> By: emma http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78494 emma Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:52:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78494 The claim was that the SNP's 'main voters' are catholic and muslims which is a load of pish as any Scot would be able to tell you. Perhaps if the SNP are 'actively courting' them it's because it's because they can't count on many of them for their support at present. Just a thought. There seems to be a suggestion upthread that it's down to the SNP that homosexuality was not de-criminalised until 1980 in Scotland. The SNP never held power prior to 2007 so the blame lies elsewhere. The claim was that the SNP’s ‘main voters’ are catholic and muslims which is a load of pish as any Scot would be able to tell you.

Perhaps if the SNP are ‘actively courting’ them it’s because it’s because they can’t count on many of them for their support at present. Just a thought.

There seems to be a suggestion upthread that it’s down to the SNP that homosexuality was not de-criminalised until 1980 in Scotland. The SNP never held power prior to 2007 so the blame lies elsewhere.

]]> By: JohnK http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78465 JohnK Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:15:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78465 If it is garbage . . . Why is Alex Salmond courting the Catholic vote by suggesting that he would try and find an alternative resolution to the question of gay adoption with the Catholic adoption societies; rather than seeing some of them close. If it is garbage . . . Why is Alex Salmond courting the Catholic vote by suggesting that he would try and find an alternative resolution to the question of gay adoption with the Catholic adoption societies; rather than seeing some of them close.

]]> By: emma http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78463 emma Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:06:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78463 "The SNP's main voters are the Catholic and Muslim voters" This is total garbage. Labour has traditionally been the party of the Scottish Catholic voter and little has changed in that regard. Many Catholic Scots will jokingly tell you that SNP stands for 'Scotland Needs Protestants'. “The SNP’s main voters are the Catholic and Muslim voters”

This is total garbage. Labour has traditionally been the party of the Scottish Catholic voter and little has changed in that regard. Many Catholic Scots will jokingly tell you that SNP stands for
‘Scotland Needs Protestants’.

]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78418 RobN Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:54:26 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78418 Andy, I'm not 90, but I was rejected by the Nazi party for being too radical and giving them a bad reputation. ;) Right on mate, just let them walk in how they want, I mean, they wouldn't LIE, God forbid. Your government's f_cked it already, so there's not a lot to salvage anyway, and they seem to have the monopoly on telling porkies. Andy, I’m not 90, but I was rejected by the Nazi party for being too radical and giving them a bad reputation. ;)

Right on mate, just let them walk in how they want, I mean, they wouldn’t LIE, God forbid. Your government’s f_cked it already, so there’s not a lot to salvage anyway, and they seem to have the monopoly on telling porkies.

]]> By: Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78396 Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:15:56 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78396 Neville - The SNP are actively trying to court the Catholic and Muslim voters, which inevitably means being homophobic. After all, it's their right to hate us gays due to their religious beliefs, isn't it? And as the religous voters outnumber the gay voters (by best guess) the SNP have just chucked us to the side. Why bother doing the right thing when it won't get enough votes to win an election? Bear in mind that the SNP just scraped a win, and if there weren't so many spoiled votes then the outcome may have been different. As I said above, I used to vote for the SNP and that's why this bothers me so much. I now don't believe in Scotland becoming independent if this is any indication of what it would be like for LGBT people. Neville – The SNP are actively trying to court the Catholic and Muslim voters, which inevitably means being homophobic. After all, it’s their right to hate us gays due to their religious beliefs, isn’t it? And as the religous voters outnumber the gay voters (by best guess) the SNP have just chucked us to the side. Why bother doing the right thing when it won’t get enough votes to win an election? Bear in mind that the SNP just scraped a win, and if there weren’t so many spoiled votes then the outcome may have been different. As I said above, I used to vote for the SNP and that’s why this bothers me so much. I now don’t believe in Scotland becoming independent if this is any indication of what it would be like for LGBT people.

]]> By: Neville http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78390 Neville Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:02:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78390 Anthony, thanks for that. I have looked at the article and can only conclude that it is another example of the evils of the Roman Catholic Church and of the individual evil of both Alex Salmond and his minion Hyslop. The SORs should be amended to remove the possibility of misinterpretation and thus discrimination. Anthony, thanks for that. I have looked at the article and can only conclude that it is another example of the evils of the Roman Catholic Church and of the individual evil of both Alex Salmond and his minion Hyslop. The SORs should be amended to remove the possibility of misinterpretation and thus discrimination.

]]> By: Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78386 Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:25:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78386 Neville - This link to an earlier article in Pink News tells you a bit more about the SNP and St. Margaret's Society. The story originally featured in the Sunday Herald, I think, and only came out (no pun intended!) due to a Freedom of Information request. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12678.html/ Neville – This link to an earlier article in Pink News tells you a bit more about the SNP and St. Margaret’s Society. The story originally featured in the Sunday Herald, I think, and only came out (no pun intended!) due to a Freedom of Information request.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12678.html/

]]> By: Neville http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78384 Neville Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:19:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78384 I know that St Margaret's Adoption Society are able to discriminate against gay couples, and I understand that this is a result of a reference to sexual orientation in the equality regulations - something which they were able to define as heterosexual as opposed to homosexual. Can someone explain exactly how this society is able to discriminate? Is it as a result of the drafting of the original regulations? In what ways did Salmond and Hyslop help to achieve this discrimination. I do know that a Roman Catholic adoption society in Sheffield is going to the High Court in March to argue for the right to discriminate on religious grounds against potential gay adopters. The Scottish situation backed by the SNP ministers is a worrying trend. I know that St Margaret’s Adoption Society are able to discriminate against gay couples, and I understand that this is a result of a reference to sexual orientation in the equality regulations – something which they were able to define as heterosexual as opposed to homosexual. Can someone explain exactly how this society is able to discriminate? Is it as a result of the drafting of the original regulations? In what ways did Salmond and Hyslop help to achieve this discrimination. I do know that a Roman Catholic adoption society in Sheffield is going to the High Court in March to argue for the right to discriminate on religious grounds against potential gay adopters. The Scottish situation backed by the SNP ministers is a worrying trend.

]]> By: JohnK http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78335 JohnK Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:42:20 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78335 "JohnK – the fact that homosexuality wasn't decriminalised in Scotland till 1980 tells us nothing about the SNP but a great deal about the Labour Government of 1974-79 who refused to bring the law into line with the rest of the UK." . . . Scotland has always had its own independent Legal system. Scots law is not the same as English Law. . . which is why if you want to train as a lawyer and practice in Scotland you need to take a Scotish law degree . . . you are obviously not Scottish “JohnK – the fact that homosexuality wasn’t decriminalised in Scotland till 1980 tells us nothing about the SNP but a great deal about the Labour Government of 1974-79 who refused to bring the law into line with the rest of the UK.”

. . . Scotland has always had its own independent Legal system. Scots law is not the same as English Law. . . which is why if you want to train as a lawyer and practice in Scotland you need to take a Scotish law degree . . . you are obviously not Scottish

]]> By: Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78334 Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:36:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78334 I can't tell anyone who they should vote for or which party they should be a member of. I am so annoyed about this as I actually used to vote for the SNP, not because I support another party, but I don't vote SNP anymore as I feel that their instances of homophobia are just too many to be excused as lone voices within the party. Why did they specifically help St. Maragaret's to get around the adoption law for example? They can legally refuse to help gay couples while every other adoption agency has to abide by the law. Surely this is discrimination? What about Brian Souter's donation, would the SNP accept money from a known racist or anti-semite? I doubt it. Why was Rosanna Cunnigham rewarded with a ministerial job if her views are so out of step with party policy? Are the LGBT SNP supporters, voters and members honestly ok with all the examples of homophobia that are not merely lone voices but endorsed by the party leadership? Do you honestly think it's ok for an adoption agency to discriminate against gay couples because it's against their "beliefs"? I for one can't vote for a party that discriminates against me so blatently. I can’t tell anyone who they should vote for or which party they should be a member of. I am so annoyed about this as I actually used to vote for the SNP, not because I support another party, but I don’t vote SNP anymore as I feel that their instances of homophobia are just too many to be excused as lone voices within the party. Why did they specifically help St. Maragaret’s to get around the adoption law for example? They can legally refuse to help gay couples while every other adoption agency has to abide by the law. Surely this is discrimination? What about Brian Souter’s donation, would the SNP accept money from a known racist or anti-semite? I doubt it. Why was Rosanna Cunnigham rewarded with a ministerial job if her views are so out of step with party policy? Are the LGBT SNP supporters, voters and members honestly ok with all the examples of homophobia that are not merely lone voices but endorsed by the party leadership? Do you honestly think it’s ok for an adoption agency to discriminate against gay couples because it’s against their “beliefs”? I for one can’t vote for a party that discriminates against me so blatently.

]]> By: AndyD http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78322 AndyD Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:35:11 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78322 A few thoughts on the posts here: Harthacanute - I actually know Angus McNeil and your comment about him being the most homophobic MP in Westminster is absolute nonsense without any foundation. JohnK - the fact that homosexuality wasn't decriminalised in Scotland till 1980 tells us nothing about the SNP but a great deal about the Labour Government of 1974-79 who refused to bring the law into line with the rest of the UK. Anthony Bermon - the SNP policy on LGBT Rights adopted in 1990 was: Repeal of Clause 28 (SNP MSPs voted to repeal it) No discrimination in goods and services No discrimination in fostering and Adoption (Roseanna Cuningham was a lone voice of opposition) Recognition of sexual orientation in Asylum and Immigration cases (This is what the SNP Conference reaffirmed) Creation of Hate Crimes legislation to protect the LGBT Community (The SNP supported Patrick Harvie's Bill to do just this) No LGBT group can claim it's party is 100% pure on our issues but it does no good when people refuse to acknowledge that the SNP's LGBT membership has sought, with some success, to deliver on the policy they got the party to adopt. A few thoughts on the posts here:

Harthacanute – I actually know Angus McNeil and your comment about him being the most homophobic MP in Westminster is absolute nonsense without any foundation.

JohnK – the fact that homosexuality wasn’t decriminalised in Scotland till 1980 tells us nothing about the SNP but a great deal about the Labour Government of 1974-79 who refused to bring the law into line with the rest of the UK.

Anthony Bermon – the SNP policy on LGBT Rights adopted in 1990 was:

Repeal of Clause 28 (SNP MSPs voted to repeal it)
No discrimination in goods and services
No discrimination in fostering and Adoption (Roseanna Cuningham was a lone voice of opposition)
Recognition of sexual orientation in Asylum and Immigration cases (This is what the SNP Conference reaffirmed)
Creation of Hate Crimes legislation to protect the LGBT Community (The SNP supported Patrick Harvie’s Bill to do just this)

No LGBT group can claim it’s party is 100% pure on our issues but it does no good when people refuse to acknowledge that the SNP’s LGBT membership has sought, with some success, to deliver on the policy they got the party to adopt.

]]> By: Andy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78311 Andy Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:49:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78311 "liberal namby-pambys" Are you serious with this kind of language?!? What are you, 90 year old nazi veteran or something? Is this means I'm not like you and your goose-stepping pals, then I'll take it as a complement, thanks. "If these people actively KNOW they are being persecuted, they should bring sufficient evidence to prove it" Oh, quite right. What would you like? A photo of the noose just before they're hanged? Or perhaps a video on a phone just as they're about to be beaten to death? Perhaps a medical certificate form the doctor who castrates them. So much proof is available, you're right, how DARE they come into Britain with out it? I'm so sorry, I gave you way more credit than you deserve. Your are a COMPLETE fool. “liberal namby-pambys”

Are you serious with this kind of language?!? What are you, 90 year old nazi veteran or something? Is this means I’m not like you and your goose-stepping pals, then I’ll take it as a complement, thanks.

“If these people actively KNOW they are being persecuted, they should bring sufficient evidence to prove it”

Oh, quite right. What would you like? A photo of the noose just before they’re hanged? Or perhaps a video on a phone just as they’re about to be beaten to death? Perhaps a medical certificate form the doctor who castrates them. So much proof is available, you’re right, how DARE they come into Britain with out it?

I’m so sorry, I gave you way more credit than you deserve. Your are a COMPLETE fool.

]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78298 RobN Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:03:22 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78298 Andy Birch: Pray tell me how in God's name you expect to work out genuine homosexual asylum seekers in fear of their lives from layabout migrant spongers that just want to be here? Chances are, you can't, and neither can the Border Agency, so rather than chuck the baby out with the bathwater, they allow every lowlife that says they are gay to walk straight in. Well, I am of the reverse opinion. If these people actively KNOW they are being persecuted, they should bring sufficient evidence to prove it, as they know we will scrutinise them. If they don't have the proof, they don't come in. Simple as that. I'm sick and tired of you liberal namby-pambys kowtowing to the common denominator, rather than biting the bullet and making some decent, but probably unpopular decisions. Anyone can claim to be gay, as they know we can't easily prove otherwise, so they all do it. It reminds me of 'Life of Brian' - "I'm Brian! And so's my wife!" Andy Birch: Pray tell me how in God’s name you expect to work out genuine homosexual asylum seekers in fear of their lives from layabout migrant spongers that just want to be here? Chances are, you can’t, and neither can the Border Agency, so rather than chuck the baby out with the bathwater, they allow every lowlife that says they are gay to walk straight in.

Well, I am of the reverse opinion. If these people actively KNOW they are being persecuted, they should bring sufficient evidence to prove it, as they know we will scrutinise them. If they don’t have the proof, they don’t come in. Simple as that. I’m sick and tired of you liberal namby-pambys kowtowing to the common denominator, rather than biting the bullet and making some decent, but probably unpopular decisions.

Anyone can claim to be gay, as they know we can’t easily prove otherwise, so they all do it. It reminds me of ‘Life of Brian’ – “I’m Brian! And so’s my wife!”

]]> By: Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78294 Anthony Bermon from Ayrshire Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:47:27 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78294 Is this is joke? The SNP are actively homophobic: 1) Alex Salmond and Fiona Hyslop (Education Minister) advised and helped St. Margaret's Children and Family Care Society to change their rules to refuse to allow gay couples to adopt even after the gay adoption law came into force last month. 2) Rosanna Cunningham tried to pass a law banning gay couples from adopting at all. She was later given a Ministerial job (Enviornment Secretary). 3) Fergus Ewing supported the firemen who refused to go to Gay Pride. He was, and remains, a Minister in the Scottish Government. 4) Alex Salmond accepted half a million pounds from Brian Souter of Stagecoach buses, a major homophobe. Just after this donation, the SNP changed their policy on bus regulation (or something) in favour of Brian Souter. The SNP Government also installed electronic ticket machines on all buses in Scotland and Souter has a stake in the company that makes the machines. 4) The SNP's main voters are the Catholic and Muslim voters. 5) Their candidate in the Glasgow North East by-election is in Opus Dei. 6) Check out this link: www.scottishmediamonitor.com/features2.cfm?ID=40 Is this is joke? The SNP are actively homophobic:

1) Alex Salmond and Fiona Hyslop (Education Minister) advised and helped St. Margaret’s Children and Family Care Society to change their rules to refuse to allow gay couples to adopt even after the gay adoption law came into force last month.
2) Rosanna Cunningham tried to pass a law banning gay couples from adopting at all. She was later given a Ministerial job (Enviornment Secretary).
3) Fergus Ewing supported the firemen who refused to go to Gay Pride. He was, and remains, a Minister in the Scottish Government.
4) Alex Salmond accepted half a million pounds from Brian Souter of Stagecoach buses, a major homophobe. Just after this donation, the SNP changed their policy on bus regulation (or something) in favour of Brian Souter. The SNP Government also installed electronic ticket machines on all buses in Scotland and Souter has a stake in the company that makes the machines.
4) The SNP’s main voters are the Catholic and Muslim voters.
5) Their candidate in the Glasgow North East by-election is in Opus Dei.
6) Check out this link:

http://www.scottishmediamonitor.com/features2.cfm?ID=40

]]> By: Andy Birch http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78291 Andy Birch Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:29:04 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/10/19/snp-criticises-uk-government-over-gay-and-lesbian-asylum-seekers/#comment-78291 "What does this really tell us about the SNP?" Nothing in the slightest. It tells us loads about society, though. You got a point to make there Brian? And, Brian, if you perhaps partake less of the ad hominem attacks, perhaps you can string an argument of logic together yourself, and join the rest of the adults here? “What does this really tell us about the SNP?”

Nothing in the slightest. It tells us loads about society, though. You got a point to make there Brian?

And, Brian, if you perhaps partake less of the ad hominem attacks, perhaps you can string an argument of logic together yourself, and join the rest of the adults here?

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