KEEP THEM OUT OF THE EU.
Andy, I support that and if any current eastern block and baltic member states violate EU rules, boot them out. Imposing sanctions on them while remaining in the union doesn’t work, they find devious ways to circumvent the rules.
A police crackdown on trans people is happening now in Turkey with police fining trans people £35 every time they are seen out in their chosen gender. Six trans people are known to have been murdered in Turkey this year.
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Cause of Death: Stabbed to death.
Ebru was 28 years old.
Unidentified Transgender person
Location: Bursa, Turkey
Cause of Death: Decapitated she had her head and sexual organs had been chopped off and tossed in a dumpster.
Location: Ankara, Turkey
Cause of Death: Was found murdered in her home.
Melek was 25 years old.
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Cause of Death: Stabbed
Location: Ankara, Turkey
Cause of Death: Shot in the back of the head with a 12gauge, shotgun.
Location: Gebze, Turkey
Cause of Death: an unidentified transsexual was shot dead with two bullets through the chest at a roadside in Gebze.
We should be saying no to a brutal bigoted society like this entering the EU.
Because there is no violence against trans or gay people in Britain or France. Last year there were 357 violence attacks against trans people in Britain. Boot them out of the EU!
No to Turkey’s inclusion in the EU. Homophobia is systemic in this state, where its LGBT citizens are routinely persecuted at all levels. The police and judiciary are fully corrupt. This state’s government has a moral duty to get its house in order and eliminate corruption and discrimination against women and LGBT people before any acceptance into the EU family.
“…we can proudly say that we have a pioneering position in this field.”
You can leave the proud bit out. No, really. How about encouraging parents to use family-filter software instead of preying on adults?
Maybe the Turks don’t really want to be in the EU at all, and don’t want to rub shoulders with the likes of permissive and tolerant societies such as Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland.
Turkwy wants to join the EU?
Well freedom of expression is a requirement for membership.
Carry on Turkey. You’ve just declared yourself ineligible for membership.
Why are we surprised? This is a country whose human rights record is appalling all round. Of course vulnerable groups like LGBT are going to suffer there.
Abi, those cases of transgender people murdered in the country are shocking and prove the point exactly.
Thanks for the insight. This puts our problems into perspective, eh. The Trans whom I know are the sweetest of all my friends.
I think Turkey should have been allowed to join the European community long before Eastern Europe. They are a complete and utter disgrace. The Baltic States are a terribly disappointment particularly for the Scandinavian countries who, presumably, fast tracked their entry.
Just my personal opinion.
I as working on stuff for Transgendered Day of Remembrance when I looked at this article. So I had all the information on hand to post this Jean-Paul.
International Transgendered Day of Remembrance is on 20th November 2009
Last year a Trans person was killed every 14 days.
The ban for these two web site is lifted
God forbid that Turkey should be allowed to join the EU. With a population of over 70 million, they would become one of the largest and most powerful member states, bringing with them their backward and bigoted beliefs, along with the likes of Poland. The tolerant and progressive countries in the EU will soon be outnumbered, and that won’t be good news for gay people. France, Germany and Austria oppose their membership, but surprise surprise, the UK supports it.
Turk Gay Club
:) there is another site too .
When will these islamic honour killings start to bring dishonour upon those who perpetrate them instead of their victims? When will the imams and the madrassas start to condemn this crap?
Does every human being deserve to have civil rights or not?
I say “yes”.
Thanks Abi for for spotlighting the tragic plight of trans people in Turkey, I am shocked and appalled, as I’m sure many of the readers here.
We in the Uk are very fortunate we live in a fairly enlightened and tolerant society except from a few moronic knuckledraggers.
turkey shouldn’t be alowed to be part of the E.U. but… for the same standards, italy should be out as well since italians treat gays and lesbians just like turkey does, but italy is part of the E.U.
Turkey could always say: why do you discriminate us if you allow italy to be part of europe, even if they behave in the same way with Lgbtq people?
Let me show you the map:
turkey = italy = greece = homophobia
The EU is being pressurised by the USA to admit Turkey, which is its client. Turkey’s human rights record re the Kurds, Armenians, lgbt, is horrific. There is also the little detail that the vast majority of Turkish territory is in Asia. Ludicrous. Keep them out.
I think most comments are being too hard on Turkey. For many countries in the EU the only decent laws they have ARE European laws. Give me muslim Turkey over catholic Poland anyday.
All the best.
I’ve been a resident in one Of Turkey’s major cities for over five years and I haven’t come across any homophobia what so ever,in fact quite the opposite!!
It’s like with any culture,if you flaunt your sexuality regardless of what your gender or sexual orientation is,then people become insecure and feel threatened……it’s the same in the UK!!
Please don’t pass judgement from what liitle you know of the country regardless of what the newspapers say.This is a very tolernt society,but everyone limits.
I’ve added the map to “My favorites”. Please keep us posted.
Dare I say this ? If the tories win the next election will Iain Duncan Smith -the “minister for families” decide that certain “pornographic websites” should be blocked? Will he block Gayday? Will he block PinkNews? Is this really beyond the realms of possibility?
Germany has always been dead against Turkey joining the EU as they are the first port of call for economic migrants moving in from the Middle East. Also, it demonstrates the creeping insidious march of Islam into Europe via the back door. Since when were most of these countries ‘Europe’ anyway? Next we will have Iraq wanting to join.
A Turkish “creeping insidious march of Islam” is preferably to the terrible Pakistani equivalent we have in UK.
Homosexuality is not illegal in Turkey for a start and never has been. What does that say about Britain’s disgusting record on the subject.
As for Germany, I think they are still hung up on on the German blood thing, for example, you cannot have a German passport unless you have German blood in you. All that sort of Nazi crap from the past.
The sad thing is that Turkey will easily become part of the EU
It cares more now about enlarging itself than strengthening itself
Which country passed a law to prevent advertising being gay recently?
The EU doesn’t care anymore, they just want to be big enough to rival America
I think it’s important to also look at the issue of censorship on the internet and net neutrality when we consider issues like this. This kind of power over internet content is obviously going to be abused based on people’s personal beliefs/opinions. In many regions, laws of this kind are quite vague and vulnerable to subjective outcomes. For example, many child-porn internet rules in the US have been used to shut down legal gay sites. If laws like this should exist at all, they must be crystal clear in their definitions and oversight must be included in order to prevent their abuse.
To comment on Eagle Ashcroft’s statement: While I agree that there are those in Turkey (as in every other country) who are intolerant, it is ignorant to judge an entire nation as such. In addition, judging people based on their religion is prejudiced and calling them ‘towel-heads’ is utterly racist. If you wish to engage in debates/discussion, calling people racial slurs and insulting their beliefs is not the way to go. Tolerance and acceptance should exist for not just sexual diversity, but for all other aspects as well (religion, gender, race etc).
i live in turkey. turks DON’T want to be any part of turkey. right left or center. they really only want to use the EU to get back at the Greeks Russians and Armenians, and collect the freebies greece has been collecting for the last half century. in turkey, both lefties and righties like to shout “Damn Human Rights!” the government banned books and magazines on darwin this year as “provacative.” It’s Europe as much as any other part of Europe but without Swiss plumbing, French academics, Italian or Spanish style, German discipline or Dutch tolerance. It does have british football fanaticism, and the local equivalents of russian austrian romanian racial intolerance and bigotry.
clarification, i meant to say they aren’t europe wannabees. but they also wouldn’t stay a nanosecond if they could escape. you might call it the BO curtain.
I hope this shows why a (dot)gay web address is such a bad idea. (dot)gay undoubtedly make it even more easy to do this sort of censorship.
I live in Athens and I don’t understand why someone who worries about the situation of lgbt people in Turkey would not want it to join the EU. Out of the EU there is absolutely no obligation to protect lgbt rights, not to mention that funding is zero for lgbt organizations (unlike in the EU). Discrimination will continue and it will get worse. But if Turkey joins, they will be forced to change, like it or not. The same way that Greece has changed and that eastern Europe will change. Greece may not look very good on the wikipedia map, but we had a change in government on October 4th. Before the elections they had promised a registered partnership law equal to marriage except for adoption and they had promised to fight discrimination in healthcare, education and employment and to do their best to educate the public and eradicate violenece. With a very comfortable majority in the parliament they will have no problem passing the proper legislation. Had it not been for the EU, Greece would still be as homophobic as Turkey in politics and in society. When conservative countries join the EU, it is the beginning of the end for homophobia in these countries and not the beginning of the end for human rights in the EU. The sooner we realise this, the better it is for lgbt rights around the world.
If Turkey were in the EU, they could be forced to change their laws to be more in line with liberal democracies.
Just as with all the Eastern European countries.
I think the EU is a great benefit to those countries unfamiliar to democracy and human rights.
Hence Britain should leave the EU and let them get on with helping the continent grow up. Free trade yes, political/social/military/industrial union no!
My two cents.
Anybody else smell monkey-sh*t?
“In many regions, laws of this kind are quite vague and vulnerable to subjective outcomes.”
What do you really know about the laws in many regions, emcee?
“If you wish to engage in debates/discussion, calling people racial slurs and insulting their beliefs is not the way to go.”
But it’s perfectly OK for you to call someone “ignorant” though, isn’t it?
Are you off your medications again, MC, or been drinking heavily? Must be so much fun sitting on a cloud with access to the knowledge in everyone’s minds so that you can make your stupid and sweeping generalisations.
Why don’t you talk to us about Climate Change and killer bees and H1N1 while your pontificating about the rules of debate, you transparent bunch of face masks.
Who do you think you’re foolin’?
Been to controversy school again, I see.
No to Turkey joining EU. The EU philosophy is about equality and tolerance, Turkey does not meet the prerequisites.
(quote)To comment on Eagle Ashcroft’s statement: While I agree that there are those in Turkey (as in every other country) who are intolerant, it is ignorant to judge an entire nation as such. In addition, judging people based on their religion is prejudiced and calling them ‘towel-heads’ is utterly racist. If you wish to engage in debates/discussion, calling people racial slurs and insulting their beliefs is not the way to go. Tolerance and acceptance should exist for not just sexual diversity, but for all other aspects as well (religion, gender, race etc).
Comment by Jalex — October 12, 2009 @ 15:46
Prejudice means to prejudge and I do not prejudge Muslims since I have been around them up close and personal and they are a direct threat to every person’s freedom who are not Muslim.
Jalex you sound like a terrorist lover. These towel headed Muslims hate anyone who is not a Muslim and they just as soon as chop your head off as anyone else. These bastards are the same ones that flew airplanes into the Twin Towers as the Muslims aim is to kill all “infidels” and take over the world. If you would take your head out of your a-s and keep up with the times you would already know this, unless of course you are just another crazy Muslim yourself. Mohammed the Madman molested little girls and abused women. He was no saint, but a devil. He is the Great Satan that the Muslims are always spouting off about. By defending these A-holes you are defending terrorism and if you live in America Homeland Security will put you on their sh-t list I guarantee you as they watch people like you and if they suspect you are supporting terrorism they follow you around like flies to sh-t as I once worked for Homeland Security and have also been in law enforcement most of my life, still working part time in the government and I would not be surprised now were you already on their sh-t list as a potential terrorist. All Muslims in this country are scrutinized on a daily bases. Their phone messages are recorded both coming in and going out. The post office lists mail coming into them and going out. Every move they make is watched. Anyone showing support or friendliness toward them is also watched and this is how the authorities are able to fret out terrorist attacks before they happen so easily. If you are one of them or fit into this category you are already being watched. The over all plan is to eventually round up every Muslim and their supporters or friends and placed in internment camps throughout the USA where they can be no threat to anyone. Its called Operation Clean Sweep. The best thing you can do now is to close your trap and quietly fade away and never post anything on the internet in favor of Muslims as it can get you in trouble because the government pays people to watch the internet and sites like this. PS: I have been warned of your many aliases such as Monkeychops amongst others as your MO is the same on every post, so using a different name each time will not help you as your IP can be traced back to you and hiding your IP will do no good as the government is far ahead of that scheme.
“For example, many child-porn internet rules in the US have been used to shut down legal gay sites.”
Could you be a wee bit more specific, lad?
Which child-porn internet rules ?
Which legal gay sites were shut down?
How do you expect us to take anything you say seriously when you make stupid and unfounded generalisations like this?
Do you think we don’t recognize an insult to our intelligence when we see one, you sh*t-disturber?
Oh, and if your purpose here is anywhere as noble as to help us grow as human being by bringing controversy onto the threads of PinkNews, then please show us your credentials, Dr. Jalex of Snake Oil Retailers.
I have checked out the website that you let slip in your post 28: thinkcontroversial dot wordpress dot com
It appears to me that we have just stumbled upon a big piece of the puzzle that is Sugar Plum Fairy, eh emcee?
Eureka! An ex-gay, homophobic, schizophrenic, alcoholic, cyberspace shapeshifter who has a direct link to PinkNews from his Home Base at thinkcontroversial dot wordpress dot com.
Critical thinking is one thing, my lad, that we can teach you, and you know it.
You have never thought critically in your life; you just enjoy tormenting the LGBT commubity by cutting and pasting, eh sweetie.
Personally I think it would be premature for Turkey to join the EU, though to be honest, condidtions for gay people and other minorities seem to be just as bad in much of Eastern Europe.
I hope Abi1975 doesn’t mind if I use her scholarship to demonstrate an excellent example of thekind of proof I can irrefutable:
“A police crackdown on trans people is happening now in Turkey with police fining trans people £35 every time they are seen out in their chosen gender. Six trans people are known to have been murdered in Turkey this year.
We should be saying no to a brutal bigoted society like this entering the EU.
Comment by Abi1975 — October 9, 2009 @ 16:47″
“No to Turkey joining EU. The EU philosophy is about equality and tolerance”
HAHAHA pull the other one!
The EU is all about the Franco-German Empire leading to a superstate! If they happen to throw the odd bone to gays that’s by-the-by. Thank god for the President of the Czeck Republic sticking one digit to the Krauts and Froggies.
When Thanksgiving rolls around let us just kill the two legged Turkeys without feather (the ones behind all of this savagery in Turkey) and save the feathered ones.
On what charge? Being a fully practicing Moslem?
What do we really think of censorship, eh.
Jihad Watch Fitzgerald:
Why is Turkey in NATO?
Quaere: Why is Turkey in NATO?
Is Turkish membership of any value, or is it a danger to the effectiveness of NATO as that organization must necessarily turn its attention away from Russia to the threat from Islam worldwide, and especially to the threat, foreign and domestic, that Muslims who take Islam seriously pose to the West and to the West’s most important military alliance, NATO?
Of what conceivable good, of what possible benefit, is Turkish membership in NATO to the other members of NATO? And why should Turkey be a member, and not instead a country that is of far greater value militarily and morally to that very West that NATO was originally established to protect — that is, Israel?
Some still choose to describe Turkey, quite backdatedly (it’s not the 1950s or the 1960s anymore) as “our NATO ally Turkey.” Turkey is indeed a member of NATO. But the main reason for NATO’s existence in the past was the military threat posed by the Soviet Union, and Turkey, which was happy to collaborate in efforts to contain its ancient enemy Russia, was a good ally. The Soviet Union was for the Turks their hereditary enemy, Russia, under a slightly different guise, and Turkey could and did offer troops (for the Korean War), and listening posts and airbases.
But who could imagine Recep Tayyip Erdogan offering bases today, or any kind of military aid, that would be part of an Infidel coalition against what would be understood to be representatives of Islam? Turkey today is in the control of a regime that is intent on undoing Kemalism and determined to make Turkey firmly part of the Muslim world — even if, at the same time, the regime of Erdogan is outraged by any attempts by Europeans to keep Turkey out of the E.U.
How good an ally can Turkey be, with Islam in the ascendant and Kemalism under constant siege, if the main purpose of NATO is now or soon will be to protect Western Europe and preserve the Western alliance from those who, within Europe, are either Muslims or collaborators with Muslims? It makes no sense for the members of NATO to commit themselves to treating an attack on Turkey as an attack on themselves, when the Cold War is over, and a re-islamizing Turkey makes friends with Iran and Syria. Do the other members of NATO think that the Turkish military would come to their aid if any Infidel nation-state in NATO were attacked, from within or without, by Muslim forces? But NATO members are already under attack by the Muslims in their midst, who now constitute a grave national security risk, one at least as great as that posed by domestic sympathizers with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. And they are under attack by Muslim forces, too, in Afghanistan.
Turkey is part of the very Camp of Islam that is the most dangerous threat to the West today, and to what is the Western military alliance, NATO. It makes no sense to keep this Turkey in NATO. It is no longer the Turkey that once was a fit member of NATO under different circumstances, with a different enemy.
It is especially maddening that Turkey, but not Israel, is a member of NATO. Israel is not merely an unshakable part of the West, but the Western world is, as all educated people used to know, not conceivable without the inheritance from Israel as from Greece and Rome. And now that Israel was re-established, after nearly 2000 years, in the ancient Jewish homeland, its disappearance would whet Arab and Muslim appetites, and would a deal a great blow — understood by so few — to the morale and to the continued existence of the advanced West, which is the world’s best hope for a semi-decent model of existence.
As long as Erdogan and his associates, and those who effectively support them — including Fethulen Gulen, spreading Islam through his “educational” efforts around the globe from the safety of suburban Virginia — are intent on removing the constraints on Islam that Ataturk (intent on saving Turkey from Islam and the effects of Islam) so carefully and systematically placed on it, there is no point in thinking of Turkey as more than part, a non-Arab part, a partly-secularised part, but still a part, of the Camp of Islam. It should be treated most warily.
Comment by Jean-Paul Bentham — October 18, 2009 @ 2:21
Answer: For being in an organization (Muslim religion) that teaches to kill non-Muslims. Any religious sponsored country that promotes terrorism, bigotry and anti-civil-rights under the War Act is in fact a terrorist nation and its supporters are fair game (take any action to cripple or take out said enemy)and therefore Turkey as we all know is a Muslim nation, although there are other religions in their country, their own laws are based on the Quran and the Quran teaches to kill all infidels (non-Muslims.) However the GLBT in their country that denounced this uncivilized practice should be not classified as either terrorists or a threat to the security of free nations.
Generally,most of comments smell like islamphobia, west european christian nationalism and ignorance.I think you forgot your past and present. A few months ago, a gay has been murdered in france. he has been burnt with his car. Last year, Gay prides have been atacked by fascists, in hungary and poland. What about Lithuania’s prohibition to gay content? Campains against gays in bulgaria, Vatican’s homophobic,hate speeches, portuguese conservatism.. etc.. Turkey is just another homophobic country as almost rest of the world. turkey belongs to EU or not..it’s another topic. At least you can not decide only with LGBT peoples’ problem. beacuse EU is not heaven for LGBT people neither.
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This is ridiculous, its like the UK restricting access to all LGBT websites – they need to get a grip!