Comments on: Polish MEP Michal Kaminski says he will attend gay Tory event next year

By: Steve in MD

Steve in MD — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:42:45 +0000

I’m american, so I cannot judge – is he learning and changing his attitude, for which he is to be commended. (remember the old story about how you catch more flies with honey rather then vinegar)

Or is this some BS game to get get support, and take it away from the Labour party?

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:02:02 +0000

Poor pumkin, the product of a nanny state – ‘greater freedom, more choice and personal responsibility’ – doesn’t even recognise what these are.

Of course I don’t. All sorts of politicians – from savage tyrants to noble saviours – have used similar terms. I want specifics! This is obviously not just a Tory thing: all politicians are slippery with their words. But when a party says it’s “changed” I want to know how. What exactly will they do that’s different? Something tells me they wouldn’t answer that question with anything other than purple prose.

By: Dave

Dave — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:52:40 +0000

I don’t think so somehow, Sister, a hundred and one seats just to gain a one seat majority is a mountain to climb. And, of course, we have the expenses scandal in the mix which will definitely have an affect on the outcome.

Many people work in the public sector nowadays, many more get tax credits, all of whom would be worse off with the Tories. I for one would hate to see the fox hunting ban overturned, or the re-emergence of Bill Cash and his Eurosceptic cronies.

We are looking into the abyss.

All the best.

By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:04:21 +0000

“No-one from the LGBT community has anything to fear with a Conservative Government.”

Yes, I agree, because there won’t be one.

Dave, you need to get out more. There is going to be one, and its going to win by a landslide

By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:02:52 +0000

Poor pumkin, the product of a nanny state – ‘greater freedom, more choice and personal responsibility’ – doesn’t even recognise what these are.

Things are dire!!!

By: Dave

Dave — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:00:42 +0000

“No-one from the LGBT community has anything to fear with a Conservative Government.”

Yes, I agree, because there won’t be one.

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:53:05 +0000

No-one from the LGBT community has anything to fear with a Conservative Government. In fact, everyone will be a damn site better off with greater freedom, more choice and personal responsibility.

How? What exactly are they going to do for us?

By: Cllr Stephen Ellis

Cllr Stephen Ellis — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:45:56 +0000

Well, I look forward to welcoming him to next year’s Conference Pride. This year’s event was a huge success and he missed out on a great night!

Our Spring Forum is being held in Brighton in February 2010 – so I’m hoping we can organise another Spring Conference Pride event.

A lot of the hype is being twisted by the media. While we don’t share some views, we’ll continue to promote equality across Europe and here in the UK.

No-one from the LGBT community has anything to fear with a Conservative Government. In fact, everyone will be a damn site better off with greater freedom, more choice and personal responsibility.

Steve Ellis
Deputy Chairman, LGBTory

By: JohnK

JohnK — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:03:02 +0000

. . . and their heterosexism, heteronormativity and heterosexual-narcissm – shine through for all to see.

Persoanlly if every one is forced to wear their “Het-suit” . . . what a dull world it will be.

By: Charlie

Charlie — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:17:52 +0000

@vulpus_rex (9): When I read the interview, it seemed to me that Kaminski has been well briefed on how to cushion his homophobia in more diplomatic language. Even then, the truth slips through. What do you think he means by this line: ‘Ordinary citizens have no reason to be afraid of my friends and the group.’ Presumably the rest of us have plenty of reason to be afraid, then.

(He also uses the classic bigot excuses: ‘It was different in those days’ – ie, nine years ago – and ‘some of my best friends are homosexual’.)

In response to your other point, I would say that, regardless of their sexual orientation, anyone who wants to ban lesbians and gay men from adopting is homophobic. Dale says he thinks children should be raised by ‘a man and a woman’, so he is evidently homophobic. Like most of the gay Tories I’ve spoken to, he has an investment in upholding heteronormativity.

By the way, you use the word ‘hate’ a lot, which I find quite interesting. I don’t hate Kaminski and I don’t think Dale is self-hating.

By: JohnK

JohnK — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:28:16 +0000

Personally is this not really about who Cameron made friends with whilst at Oxford . . . and as I remember did the Bollinger Club not elect one of these Polish politiicians.

. . . Remember the “Bollinger Club” – The one that Cameron belonged to – the one which involved going on destructive ramages at expensive resturants as part of the membership . . .

By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:24:51 +0000

Not only is the Law and Justice Party accused of homophobia. There’s still all the unanswered questions about their apparent racism and anti-semitism.

The Tories have picked a rotten dog as their partner.

Typical Tories.

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:34:59 +0000

Wait, so this guy says he’s opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption and then claims he’s not a homophobe? That is a very strange thing to say. Reminds me of the way that the Catholic church always says it hates the sin not the sinner, so it can’t possibly be homophobic. Makes about as much sense, too.

By: JohnK

JohnK — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:34:49 +0000

There is a difference between appearing to be tolerant and actually embracing tolerance

. . . I think the former is the point in question in this case

By: Bob

Bob — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:22:30 +0000

Internalised homophobia stills plagues our community. You can sense it in some of the posts here. And make no mistake, gay haters and homophobes are using this weakness to infiltrate our community with their pawns and dogs. David Camelion will do nothing towards full sexual orientation equality. He may even bend to bigoted demands and reverse some, if not most of our arduously gained human rights.

By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:00:27 +0000

So, just to clarify then, it aseems the tories association with the Law and Justice Party appears to have made then become more tolerant and not, as all the Labour trolls would have us believe, made the Tories less tolerant.

Might they all now STFU?

By: JohnK

JohnK — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:44:50 +0000

Justin wrote

“I suspect Abi doesn’t work. Lots of time on his/her hands…”

Justin since most of your posts have appeared before 2.00pm . . . one could rightly assume that you do not work either.

By: Jacek

Jacek — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:50:04 +0000

“I used a word that is un-transferable into English, which homosexual people feel is offensive. So I said that I would never use it again, but it was in common usage at the time” buahhaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What?! it can be translate to english. it means faggots! it’s NOT “common usage at the time”.

By: Jacek

Jacek — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:44:11 +0000

don’t belive him. hi is religious fanatic, dangerous and hypocrite. he is totally homophobic. i live in poland and i know who he is.

By: Abi1975

Abi1975 — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:06:27 +0000

His party brought the biggest gay club in the Polish capital so they could close it down. That’s how much they oppose gay people Simon!