From what I’ve read of an interview with kaczynski in 2005, he is against the parade not because it is homosexual, but because it is to do with sex. Sex is not as big a deal in the media in Poland as in the UK (at least it never used to be). It’s still primarily something people do during marriage in the privacy of their own home and do not talk to their friends about. Its a very different culture when it comes to sex (and many other things). Homosexuality isnt much talked about probably because of the family culture. I reckon that many people would not want to come out because they do not want to upset their families. I wonder where homophobic attacks are higher. The UK or Poland. Ive come across homophobic attitudes in the UK even in this day and age. it’s all very well England patting itself on the back for allowing same sex partnerships to be recognised, but it’s only a few years since it happened. It’s not like it wasn’t in the “no” brigade until recently. It’s not like they haven’t persecuted homosexuals here and hounded them greatly in the past. All very well to sit and point now, but what about in the 60s?

He states in the interview “once again I state that I have nothing against homosexuals having equal rights and citizenship. If I am unsure about the parade it is because personal,intimate matters should not be the subject of a demonstration. Sex is insignificant and is not the essense of life.”

if it was a heterosexual parade where the objective were to flaunt sex then he would be equally against it. He gets a bit into a bit of sticky situation trying to explain himself and goes back several times to quoting his stance of “homosexuals have been, are and will be. There is no reason why someone who has been born of such a persuasion should not have the opportunity to realise themselves in life and to have a partnership with someone of the same persuasion in the same way that a man and woman are together.”

So I think what he is trying (as usual rather gauchly) to put across is that he is against the promotion of homosexuality or any sexuality in the public sphere or in an ostentatious way. I’m not sure of the other things he’s said as I’d need to see them in Polish to see the accuracy of the translation.

I wouldn’t vote for this party myself, but they do have very popular policies which is why they are in power. You have to remember Poland is a country just about twenty years out of communist rule. During communism demonstrations were not allowed full stop. However, Poland has never criminalised homosexual sex itself. There have not been laws persecuting homosexuals for having same sex relationships. I reckon that if Poland did not have such a conservative religion, it would probably be very socially liberal country as it has a tradition of a general tolerance and openness which is both at odds with but also a catalyst for some of the strong opinions its citizens are so happy to share. It’s also a country of strong family values and these are in conflict with progressive thinking and change. It is a country of great contradictions. People very much say what they think and it’s not considered rude to speak your mind in Poland. Diplomacy is not a national trait. Unlike the UK and particularly the conservative party….

Give Poland a break, they are still struggling to sort their country and national identity out after Yalta sold them out to the Soviets & roosevelt and churchill stood back and let stalin walk all over them in WWII. Theyd only had twenty years of freedom before hitler marched in. You can’t expect them to catch up straight away. They even had a political party for beer admirers which says it all. However, the party’s agenda to stop vodka drinking in favour of beer appears to have worked.

Comment by Jacek — October 8, 2009

Don’t hold your breath Jacek because these British Tories from what I have been reading in Pink News so far are pretty homophobic and are not about to help anyone because in their own little pea brain mind they believe if they help the GLBT, people will think they are gay. These political morons are in politics because they aren’t intelligent enough to go out and get a real job in the real world, because if they even tried they would be a complete failure. It makes no difference rather you are from Poland, Britain, Kalamazoo or Timbuktu, if you are a politician and you want to stay in politics any gay issues or gay causes you might want to help out in is just a taboo subject because the majority of people have the brains of a duck and the fear of being found out that they might be found out they have gay leanings toward their close friends, otherwise why should the GLBT bother them in the least. Obama knows he is “straight” and so he is willing to come forward and help. Now if these Tories are really so-called-straight what do they have to fear, unless of course they are all gay them selves and fear their secret might get out.

Cameron has made common cause with these parties to get a lever in the EU and to suck up to the right wing and eurosceptic branch of his party, for political popularity.

Can you see a difference?

What do you think now?

No-one likes gay people, we are tolerated and making inroads to equality. Any UK goverment, asides the BNP or one under Sharia Law, will slowly edge us forward, in the name of votes as tolerance improves. Deal with political reality.

No but effectively you are.

You sometimes have to do business with people you don’t like in order to bring about a greater change for the good – hence alliance with Poland – is that clear and simple enough Simon, and if not I guess that makes you the moron?

Since Tony Blair invited Sinn Fein (and by extension the IRA) into talks the Troubles in Northern Ireland have effectively been resolved. Yes there is still tension but since the Good Friday Agreement (which placed obligations on all sides in the Troubles) how many British soldiers have been killed in Northern Ireland? As a result of negotiations the violence ended. Are you seriously claiming that Blair should not have spoken to them and that the murder in Northern Ireland should have continued? If so then you are a moron.

David Cameron is making absolutely no demands on the Polish fascists to reverse their evil attitudes to homosexuality. He simply denies their fascism in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Yes, and it is indeed gratifying to note that some of the most ardent critics of the Conservative party at least have the brains to recognise the walking disaster that is Labour and have clearly stated their intention to look at alternatives.

What is truly depressing is the number of sheep like, moronic gay men in here whose powers of logic only extend as far as thinking “Labour allowed me to sleep with 16 year old boys, they therefore own my vote for ever”.

Notwithstanding the above I would still like someone to explain why Tories forming an alliance with so-called unsavoury Polish politicians is worse than Labour doing it with terrorist supporters?

Ever thought other parties might exist vulpus_rex?

Would someone from the pro-labour, anti Tory group faction here like to explain how this is more acceptable than the current Tory relationship with Polish politicians?

Can’t?

Still going to vote Labour?

Still Criticising Tories?

Giant effing hypocrites – so typical of new labour support.

Holy Public Image, Batman; do Polish gays know how to spray tan?

Ever see a zebra in the snow?