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  1. Well if the Tories think it is an “overtly political” club night, then so what? Do many of them some good to chill out a bit.

  2. Well done, Poptastic! Excellent! It’s an all-out battle and you’re absolutely entitled to state what you believe. Those slimy public-school boys are trying hard to pretend they love gays, but there isn’t a cat in hell’s chance! The interviews with Cameron and Boris Johnson on Newsnight last night said it all. Desperate, sneaky, and hell-bent to say and do anything to get into power.

    Let’s have more gay Tory-Shame nights in gay clubs and bars throughout the entire country!

    I wouldn’t trust a Tory no matter how far I managed to toss it!

  3. Simon Murphy 6 Oct 2009, 1:21pm

    The Tory party is the homophobe’s party. So I don’t see what LGBTory’s problem is.

    Cameron’s ‘commitment’ to lgbt equality is nothing more than PR as evidenced by the Tory alliance with the homophobic, facist Law and Justice Party in Poland. And the fact that senior Tory parliamentary candidates including Iain Duncan Smith and Philippa Stroud are members of the Centre for Social Justice which is actively campaigning to reduce the parental rights of non-biological gay parents.

    Having a party called Tory Shame is not an overtly political act. It is a much needed reminder to the LGBT population that if the Tories get elected then we have no guarantee that Tory extremists such as Duncan Smith and Stroud will not start trying to reduce our hard won freedoms.

  4. Simon Murphy 6 Oct 2009, 1:25pm

    Plus of course Poptastic are using a poster of that evil cow Margaret Thatcher to promote this night.

    Even the LGBTory group must realise that, that evil old witch is a huge embarrassment to the Tories given her sustained homophobic, extremism throughout her leadership.

  5. Simon Murphy 6 Oct 2009, 1:52pm

    “Attendees will include …Stonewall chief executive Ben Summerskill”

    So Ben Summerskill – what exactly will YOU being doing there?

    1. Will you be campaigning for gay marriage or are you too scared to ask for this for fear you may lose your fat civil-servant salary once the Tory Homophobes get to power.

    2. Will you be campaigning to protect the LGBT community from harassment (the way in which other minority groups are protected) under Equalities legislation. Or are you too concerned about your fat, civil servant salary

    He probably won’t. He’ll probably waste everyone’s time with a commentary on ‘homophobic’ numberplates.

    I’m not always a fan of Peter Tatchell but he’d be a far more suitable guest at this party seeing as his motivation isn’t to protect his own salary.

  6. I think the Tories can change – they are trying. But they should take criticism and events like this on the chin, with a pinch of salt.

  7. Simon Murphy 6 Oct 2009, 2:44pm

    Roger Helmer needs to be reprimanded for his homophobia, and Iain Duncan Smith and Philippa Stroud must be instructed to leave the homophobic Centre for Social Justice or face expulsion from their party.

    And the Tories must break their links in Europe with the extreme right, homophobic grouping they are part of.

    Otherwise they are not trying hard enough and deserve every condemnation for homophobia and support of bigotry and borderline facism.

  8. All those glory-glory anti Tory comments are just so gay. You’re still fooled by nu labour? Shame on you all for being so naive. Tony is v religious and so were some of his top people, don’t think they ever actually cared. Only for votes!

    Please get over what happened 20+ years ago.

  9. Simon Murphy 6 Oct 2009, 3:50pm

    No 9: Dan: “You’re still fooled by nu labour?”

    No we’re not. Labour have made a mess of the economy. And everyone realises this. But any gay person thinking about voting Tory should be aware of the Tories’ facist allies in Poland and the fact that despite the nice noises David Camerson is making about inclusivity the Tories have done NOTHING to indicate Cameron’s noise is anything but PR.

    I will not vote Labour in the next election. But at the present time I COULDN’T vote Tory. That would be a wasted vote seeing as they are isolating Britain from Europe (which Britain needs far more than we seem to realise) and making deals with all sorts of hideous extremists.

  10. I live in Manchester and Poptastic on a Tuesday is my favourite night out of the week!
    I fully intend to go to this event tonight to show my support for it, and it is my friend Flangela Lashes who will be dressing as Thatcher!
    Kudos to Mr. Poptastic!

  11. Robert, ex-pat Brit 6 Oct 2009, 4:34pm

    Simon, Sumerskill is not friend of “gay” marriage (marriage equality is better). One of his staffers emailed me several months ago telling me its not on their agenda because civil partnerships are the preferred union for gay couples, as if they are equal to marriage which they’re not, no matter how many apologists try to skew it. Show me a civil partnership certificate stating that they are recognised as marriages and I’ll support them. Meanwhile, British gay couples who actually marry outside the UK are subjected to their legal marriage certificates not being recognised as such upon return to the UK but instead are treated as civil partnerships which they are not. Where is the equality in that?

  12. I heard George Osborne’s speech how he was going to cut cut cut but do nothing to create jobs. Its interesting how people can support the Tories to cut an estimated half a million public sector jobs taking ten billion a year out of the economy by getting rid those peoples wages. And at the same time adding a further cost of 2.5 billion a year onto the benefits bill. So we soon could have a jobless figure of 5.5 million adding those on incapacity going after the 140,000 jobs currently available in this country.

    That’s what the real Tory shame will be, the inability to create jobs.

  13. #9 Dan – No one is fooled by New Labour, people can come to their own conclusions about who is best to govern the UK, based on a range of criteria important to them personally. I would suggest however, based on the past records of both Labour and Conservatives in power, that the Labour party has a proven track record of advancing gay rights. The Tories have a very clear record of promoting inequality and discrimination.

    The facts are:

    Labour’s record since 1997:
    achieved an equal age of consent;
    ended the ban on LGBT people serving in the armed forces;
    ended discrimination against Lesbian & Gay partners for immigration purposes;
    given LGBT the right to adopt children;
    scrapped the homophobic Section 28 (Clause 2a in Scotland);
    become a signatory of the Treaty of Amsterdam, which gave the EU powers to end discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation;
    banned discrimination in the workplace and in vocational training with the introduction of the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations;
    created the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) which gives LGBT people statutory body protection;
    included homophobia in the definition of hate crimes;
    increased sentencing for homophobic hate crimes;
    removed outdated offences such as gross indecency and buggery;
    produced and implemented the Gender Recognition Act, allowing Trans people to have their true gender recognised in law;
    created the Civil Partnerships, allowing LGB people to have their loving relationships recognised by law and have the same benefits as married couples;
    outlawed discrimination in good and services (with no exceptions);
    launched a campaign in the UN for the Decriminalisation of Homosexuality focusing on the nine countries where it is still punishable by death;
    awarded statutory rights for fertility treatment for Lesbians on the NHS.

    Despite Tiny Blair’s religious leanings they didn’t do too badly eh?

    Now let’s move on…

    Conservative record 1979 – 1997:
    Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988 is the most notorious piece of anti-gay legislation to have been enacted in the United Kingdom in modern times. It had its genesis in a Private Member’s Bill introduced in the House of Lords in 1986 by the elderly Earl of Halsbury (CONSERVATIVE), President of the National Council for Christian Standards in Society. This failed, but the Christian lobby kept up the attack, and after the 1987 general election the proposal was reintroduced in the House of Commons by David Wilshire, a newly-elected backbench CONSERVATIVE MP. It was subsequently taken up by the Government and enacted on 24 March 1988, with its famous ungrammatical and gratuitously insulting allusion to “homosexuality as a pretended family relationship”. Two months later the text technically became Section 2A of the Local Government Act 1986.

    The facts speak for themselves and the way they treated us doesn’t get forgotten quickly. So yes, based on the evidence I think a TORY SHAME night is completely in order Dan.

  14. If the Tories can hold an overtly political gay night, I can’t see any possible complaint that they can have about anyone else choosing to do so.

  15. Oops – forgot to say that they are now allied with some seriously dodgy far right parties in eastern Europe, so they haven’t changed their ways very much have they. and no, I didn’t mean Tiny Blair, I meant Tony, but can’t type too well!

  16. They expect the whole gay village to stop being gay for the night Graham!

    Maybe they wanted to be knows a the only gays in the village? :D :D : D

  17. Sister Mary Clarence 6 Oct 2009, 5:44pm

    Dan, of course the answer is YES!

    Mostly too stupid to care about anything other then their own self interest (ironically an argument that some of them throw back at the Tories)

    Totally ignorant of the effects of European law on the changes in equality legislation in this country.

    Not to single Nick out as any more stupid than the rest but ….

    “ended the ban on LGBT people serving in the armed forces”

    Just sums it up really. What he should have said is “ended the ban on LGBT people serving in the armed forces after being forced to the European Court of Human Rights, after staunchly defending their right to retain the ban.”

    Better things to do at the moment than pick holes in the rest of it, but it appears that most of these numpties are too stupid to realise that the Tories are running most of this gay-friendly eutopia of a country anyway at the moment.

    Laughable, absolutely laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic

  18. Pumpkin Pie 6 Oct 2009, 5:51pm

    Totally ignorant of the effects of European law on the changes in equality legislation in this country.

    I dunno… Did you really think that statement through? The Tories want to distance themselves from the EU, don’t they? And that means that the European Court of Human Rights may not be able to protect us for much longer.

    I’m no Labour fan, but whatever way you slice it Labour definitely trumps the Tories on gay rights issues – either directly or indirectly (i.e. by capitulating to the demands of the far more progressive ECoHR).

  19. I am neither Labour or a Tory.

    BUT, the Tories do have a proven negative track record on gay rights, opposing them at every opportunity, even relatively recently, and including Cameron himself.

    Sure, question Labour’s commitment, but don’t let the Tories off the hook just because they might seem like the only available other option. They aren’t. And in my opinion, they aren’t a good option for us all judging by the history (both recent and more distant)

  20. Simon Murphy 6 Oct 2009, 6:04pm

    RobN: “Well Murphy’s in his element here: Slagging off the Tories. five, count ‘em FIVE postings”

    Are you stalking me?

  21. The Halcyon 6 Oct 2009, 6:19pm

    I think that rather than complain about “Tory Shame”, the Conservative Party should thrash out why they have such a negative image amongst many LGB & T people in the UK (i.e. see comment #14) and what they can do to change people’s minds. In purely theoretical terms, the Conservatives should be the party for LGB & T people if one thinks about it – lower fiscal responsibility, lower taxes which can only benefit LGB & T people. In practice of course, this doesn’t happen because of the more (small c) conservative types who are less liberal in their thinking and more reactionary.

  22. It is great that Poptastic are doing this we must not forget that it was the Tories that led the gay witch hunt in the 50′s and 60′s that led to the prosecution of Alan Turing and 1000′s of other gay men that were imprisoned each year! We are still suffering from the effects of section 28.

    They are not to be trusted! The Wolf in sheep’s clothing!

    This bitchin just serves to show how shallow LGBTory are, they would much prefer that we were back in closet

  23. Ben Summerskill’s pulled out according to C4 news

  24. John (Derbyshire) 6 Oct 2009, 7:26pm

    The toties have got a cheek-after all their abuses of gay people. This is “tongue in cheek”-their hatred knew no bounds-they hounded us-and some of us to death! They should hang their heads in shame-not pretend that suddenly they are our friends. Its like the Nazis suddenly becoming “Jew friendly” at the end of the war. They are just fascist bigots-and they will NEVER change. Their dishonesty and hypocriticalness knows no bounds!

  25. Tory = Homophobia.

  26. Stephen Glenn 6 Oct 2009, 7:53pm

    Here is the link to the Channel 4 story confirming Ben Summerskill’s withdrawl.

  27. Sister Mary Clarence 6 Oct 2009, 9:15pm

    Makes you wonder who actually posts on here, when the polls show that the Tories are going to get the largest part of the gay vote at the next election

  28. Sister Mary Clarence 6 Oct 2009, 9:18pm

    Its at times like these when the Labour trolls are at their most vile that I like to turn to Peter Tatchell for inspiration.

    To quote his views on Labour’s record on equality:

    Labour has a dirty secret. On 13 separate occasions since winning power in May 1997, it has blocked queer equality and endorsed homophobic discrimination. Once would be bad enough. But 13 times!

    Even on the age of consent, which Millbank and Downing Street keep touting as proof of their commitment to equality, the government has not willingly bought forward legislation. It was forced to do so by the adverse ruling in the European Court of Human Rights, and it still refuses to officially endorse equality at 16.

    Tony Blair’s policy is that equalising the consent laws is an issue of individual conscience. Labour MPs are free to vote for or against equality, according to their own whims and fancies. In contrast, Labour never leaves black and women’s equality to a free vote. It insists that all Labour MPs vote against discrimination. Why the double-standards?

    Prior to the 1997 election, Labour made three specific pledges on lesbian and gay human rights:

    HATE CRIMES – At a Stonewall-sponsored meeting in the House of Commons in February 1997, Jack Straw promised swift action against homophobic hate crimes. In 1998, however, he vetoed an amendment to the Crime & Disorder Bill that would have extended the tough new penalties for racist attacks to all hate crimes, including those motivated by homophobia. Gay Labour MP Stephen Twigg spoke against this amendment in committee. Labour’s opposition to action against homophobic hate crimes came just a few months before the Soho bomb, making Minister’s subsequent messages of condolence to the gay victims ring hollow and hypocritical.

    SECTION 28 – At the same Stonewall meeting, Straw pledged that Labour would promptly repeal Section 28. But for two and a half years after coming to power, the government refused to say when or how. It was only following the Scottish parliament’s announcement of plans to repeal Section 28 that Tony Blair was bounced into following suit. But even then, the repeal Bill was introduced in the Lords, which means that the Lord’s vote against abolition cannot be over-ruled by MPs – effectively ending all hope of repeal before the general election.

    MILITARY BAN – Before the 1997 election, Labour declared its intention to lift the ban on lesbians and gays in the military. However, within 10 days of winning office, Labour ditched that pledge. For over two years, it fought tooth-and-nail in the European Court of Human Rights to maintain homophobic discrimination in the armed forces. In the European Court of Justice in 1998, the government fought successfully to uphold the right of the military to deny queers equal treatment. The ban was eventually lifted only because the European Court of Human Rights ruled it illegal, forcing Labour to accept homosexuals into the army, navy and air force.

    On every key gay rights issue, Labour’s record in office has been characterised by the same yawning gap between rhetoric and reality.

    Soon after wining the 1997 election, Tony Blair sent a message to that year’s Lesbian & Gay Pride Festival pledging that his government would “build a new Britain free from discrimination”. This promise is directly contradicted by Labour’s repeated refusal over the last three years to support any legislation for queer equality:

    PROTECTION AGAINST DISCRIMINATION – In 1998, Labour vetoed an amendment to the Human Rights Bill, which sought to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and HIV status. None of the out lesbian and gay MPs voted for this amendment.

    EQUALITY AT WORK – Labour has three times scuppered legislation to stop discrimination against queers in the workplace. It blocked the Sexual Orientation Discrimination Bill in 1997, and in April and July 1999 it thwarted similar amendments to the Employment Relations Bill. The government is now offering a purely voluntary code of practice that employers will be free to accept or ignore.

    SEXUAL OFFENCES – During the passage of the 1998 Crime & Disorder Bill, Labour manoeuvred to prevent attempts by backbench MPs to scrap three sexual offence laws that apply only to gay sex: the gross indecency statute outlawing many forms of consensual gay relations; the criminalisation of gay sex involving the presence of more than two people; and the homophobic bias of the Sex Offenders Act, which results in men convicted of consenting homosexual relationships with 16 and 17 year olds being branded as child sex abusers, while men involved in heterosexual relations with girls of the same age are not penalised at all.

    NO MORATORIUM ON PROSECUTIONS – After the House of Lords overturned the vote for an equal age of consent in July 1998, Jack Straw refused to use his discretionary powers to initiate a moratorium on the prosecution of 16 and 17 year old gay men and their partners, insisting that prosecutions must continue because it is “the law of the land”. And prosecutions did continue, with a 19 year old man being jailed for consensual sex with his 16 year old boyfriend.

    EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES – In May 1999, the government blocked attempts to strengthen
    the equal opportunities powers of the new Greater London Authority (GLA), including powers to promote gay equality and tackle homophobic discrimination. Only after months of pressure did Labour grudgingly agree to give the GLA some limited powers to pursue equal ops.

    PENSION RIGHTS – Labour used its voting muscle to reject a proposal in October 1999 by Lady Turner of Camden to allow lesbians and gays to inherit pensions on the death of their partner, leaving hundreds of thousands of same-sex couples without legal rights.

    These are 13 specific instances when Labour had a chance to overturn turn homophobia, and instead opted to maintain discrimination. Labour talks equality, but rarely delivers. When it comes to the crunch, the government is more interested in appeasing Middle England and the Daily Mail than in enacting equal rights for queers.

  29. Post 18
    “I think we should do a counter-gig, and call it BUNCH OF USELESS LEFTIE C_NTS”

    RobN . . . Wash your mouth out

  30. I don’t know how many times we have to tell people the Labour party did their utmost to RETAIN the military ban from 1997 – 99. It was thanks to the determination of the likes of Craig Jones MBE and Duncan Lustig Prean, among others that it was overturned in the European Court. No doubt people like ‘Nick’ above were still in their nappies at the time.

    Still look at the speech – headline news on the Christian Institute’s website – given by the obnoxious Baroness Warsi, about religious “rights” in public life. It’s a code for making room for bigots like Lilian Ladele.

    There is more than a grain of truth in Simon Murphy’s screeds above, I’m afraid, Sister Mary. High time the Conservative Humanists, launched with so much fuss last year, got off their backsides and made themselves heard.

  31. In fact, while we’re about it, let’s have less of the Sister Mary and more of the Sisters of Mercy :-)

  32. Justin Hinchcliffe 6 Oct 2009, 11:25pm

    What a bunch of sour old queens on here today. GET A LIFE!

  33. Jonny Roland 6 Oct 2009, 11:44pm

    Can I point out to John Hamilton that the Conservatives aren’t a leopard, they’re a political party, and as such are able to change their views and ideas. Just like Labour used to campaign for complete nationalisation, we can now campaign for gay rights.

    And Spirit was one of the only places big enough.

  34. Pumpkin Pie 6 Oct 2009, 11:45pm

    These are 13 specific instances when Labour had a chance to overturn turn homophobia, and instead opted to maintain discrimination. Labour talks equality, but rarely delivers. When it comes to the crunch, the government is more interested in appeasing Middle England and the Daily Mail than in enacting equal rights for queers.

    Once again, this is better than what the Tories would have done. The Tories not only failed to overturn homophobic laws, they also made new ones. On top of that, they seek to distance themselves from the EU, the very power that gave us all these rights in the first place.

  35. Tories = Homophobes.

  36. Simon Murphy: “Are you stalking me?”
    Stalking you? When it comes to any topic about Tories, I can’t f_cking avoid you.

  37. JohnK: “RobN . . . Wash your mouth out”
    Oh, I’m sorry. I meant to say a ‘COLLECTION OF INEFFECTIVE SOCIALIST C_NTS’

  38. Yes, yes, tories are wonderful, and we’re all morons (or C_NTS) for daring to challenge Sinister Mary or Mr dodgy capital.

    You don’t have to be left, socialist, or even liberal to totally distrust David Cameron. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see a totally two-faced Janus who is distrusted even by the tories themselves.

  39. The Tories are homophobic – they don’t like gays – it is a simple fact – their history has proved that time and time again and a leopard does not change its spots – ever.

  40. So poptastic want to hold an anti-tory gay night on the same night as a pro-tory gay night?

    Excuse me while I check my dictionary for words like ‘Democracy’. And then cross-reference it with the one the Torys are using.

  41. Sister Mary Clarence 7 Oct 2009, 1:25pm

    Ok pumpkin, lets look at the equalities legislation that was knocking around the world last time the Tories we in power.

    Being slghtly older than some of the people on here, I still remember the UK being far more liberal that a lot of other countries.

    To start comparing the UK now to 15 years ago on equality issues is purile. Globally the position has changed and that had sweet F all to do with Labour – they followed, they did not lead. When they did not follow willingly, they were forced to.

    When the Conservatives come to power they will be bound by the same legislation that bound Labour

  42. “The Labour party has a proven track record of advancing gay rights. The Tories have a very clear record of promoting inequality and discrimination.

    The facts are:

    Labour’s record since 1997:
    achieved an equal age of consent;
    ended the ban on LGBT people serving in the armed forces;
    ended discrimination against Lesbian & Gay partners for immigration purposes;
    given LGBT the right to adopt children;
    scrapped the homophobic Section 28 (Clause 2a in Scotland);
    become a signatory of the Treaty of Amsterdam, which gave the EU powers to end discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation;
    banned discrimination in the workplace and in vocational training with the introduction of the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations;
    created the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) which gives LGBT people statutory body protection;
    included homophobia in the definition of hate crimes;
    increased sentencing for homophobic hate crimes;
    removed outdated offences such as gross indecency and buggery;
    produced and implemented the Gender Recognition Act, allowing Trans people to have their true gender recognised in law;
    created the Civil Partnerships, allowing LGB people to have their loving relationships recognised by law and have the same benefits as married couples;
    outlawed discrimination in good and services (with no exceptions);
    launched a campaign in the UN for the Decriminalisation of Homosexuality focusing on the nine countries where it is still punishable by death;
    awarded statutory rights for fertility treatment for Lesbians on the NHS.

    Despite Tiny Blair’s religious leanings they didn’t do too badly eh?

    Now let’s move on…

    Conservative record 1979 – 1997:
    Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988 is the most notorious piece of anti-gay legislation to have been enacted in the United Kingdom in modern times. It had its genesis in a Private Member’s Bill introduced in the House of Lords in 1986 by the elderly Earl of Halsbury (CONSERVATIVE), President of the National Council for Christian Standards in Society. This failed, but the Christian lobby kept up the attack, and after the 1987 general election the proposal was reintroduced in the House of Commons by David Wilshire, a newly-elected backbench CONSERVATIVE MP. It was subsequently taken up by the Government and enacted on 24 March 1988, with its famous ungrammatical and gratuitously insulting allusion to “homosexuality as a pretended family relationship”. Two months later the text technically became Section 2A of the Local Government Act 1986.”

    Nick, brilliant and inarguable contribution, thank you!

  43. Eddy: “outlawed discrimination in good and services (with no exceptions)”

    Crap. They have allowed people to opt out on religious grounds, so if “I don’t want fags in my hotel, I just have to say “God told me.”"

    If that isn’t a cop-out of the grandest order, I don’t know what is. As Siter Mary says, you can’t compare 15 years ago with now, as the world has moved on. This has nothing to do with Labour, and simply social acceptance on a global basis.

  44. Sister Mary Clarence 7 Oct 2009, 7:32pm

    Well done Eddy, so you have managed to dredge up one piece of anti gay legislation on the Tories – well done.

    Going back just a little bit further in history however, who first introduced a bill to legalise homosexuality? Ooh bugger me, it was Humphry Berkeley. Which party was he from? Ooh bugger me, the Conservatives?

  45. Who wants to “Downgrade” LGBT parenting rights?

    “Ian Duncan Smith”

    Which party does he belong to

    O dear . . . the Conservative Party

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