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Iain Dale condemns Daily Mail for ‘homophobic attack’

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  1. Surely the average Conservative voter is a Daily Mail reader and they’ll agree with this “journalist”? Proof that the Conservatives and us gays don’t go together? Yes, in my opinion. Maybe Iain Dale should stand for another party, one that doesn’t actively hate gays.

  2. Anthony – my thoughts exactly. The kind of homophobia Dale has experienced from the Daily Mail is only a shadow of the homophobia he can expect from the Tory party itself.

  3. The give-away word is ‘overtly’. Nasty distasteful things are ‘overt’, rather than ‘open’. The Daily Mail is not homophobic, and bears take plastic bags and shovels into the woods.

  4. boo hoo serves him right lets hope he sees sense

  5. Do the Mail report that Christian candidates ask churches to back them No. So why do they do it for a gay candidate unless they have an anti gay agenda!

  6. Is there anywhere we can make a proper complaint??

  7. I think I’ve missed a point somewhere in this article… where was the homophobia? Apparently the Daily Mail said he was overtly gay… but he is, isn’t he? So am I. I can’t see a problem with that. Riondo (3) says that nasty things are “overt”, but I never thought so. Maybe “covert” has a negative connotation, as does “secretly”. If “overtly” carries some nuance further than openness… perhaps it’s “promotion”. It sounds accurate, given the rest of the article. Anyway, I’m overtly gay, proudly gay and glad to be gay… I can’t see a problem. (^_^)

    So the next bit… “Isn’t it charming how homosexuals rally like-minded chaps to their cause?”. That was said in response to a special invitation to Pink News readers. It sounds like fair comment to me. He’s not pitching to Pink-News readers in spite of our sexuality, is he? How about if a Jewish candidate were to pitch for support in a Jewish newspaper, or a black candidate appeal for support in an African-English forum? It’s the same, isn’t it? There’s a point of view that says “Hey, you’re the MP for all of us” and a point of view that says “This audience has a particular reason to vote for me because I’m going to make their views heard”.

    But from what I’ve read here, I’d be less likely to support the guy, just because I think the sort of person who cries ‘homophobia!’ for fair comment is a person who does our cause much more harm than good. He’d be representing views I don’t hold as if he were representing me. No thanks.

  8. overtly gay? is that like being overtly straight? Or Overtly black? overtly Jewish? The Daily Mail is OVERTLY HOMOPHOBIC!

  9. Of course the Daily Hate is being homophobic here.

    Dale should ignore it though. If he is elected a Tory MP he will face far worse bigotry from within his own party. The Tories are the homophobic party after all – and anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is obviously lying considering the alliance between the Tories and and the facist Law and Justice Party in the European parliament. Plus of course there are the senior Tories bigots- Iain Duncan Smith and Philippa Stroud – who are campaigning to reduce the rights of non-biological gay parents through their sinister connection to the Centre for Social Justice.

    Does anyone know if that Tory bigot who claimed that homophobia no longer exists even received a slap on the wrist for his stupidity. Probably not. David Cameron makes all the right noises while refusing to take action against the homophobic bigots who run rampant through his party.

  10. The last thing I want to do is defend the Daily Hate, but Mr Dale appears to have lost his marbles if he actually thinks there is anything homophobic about them referring to him as overtly homophobic .. and given some of the hateful bigoted drivel that Dale is known for publishing in his blog, they could have said a lot worse and still not strayed from the truth.

    Besides, the imbecile is a Conservative, so there is a certain amount of rather delicious poetic justice that one organ of Tory hate should have turned on another.

  11. I think that Iain is being a dit daft complaining about the Daily Mail – it’s going to get a lot nastier when the Tories have power again.

  12. A Freudian slip there and I obviously meant “overtly gay” .. even though I do sometimes wonder about Iawn Dale, who seems to be one of the most self-loathing homos I have ever come across.

  13. Stephen Glenn 1 Oct 2009, 4:01pm

    There are a couple of points here, as others pointed out the first is the word overtly. I’m not of the same party as Iain Dale but have met and discussed things with him over the past four years. He is not ‘overtly’ gay in that anyone who were to met him.

    Secondly despite Iain not saying ‘come and vote for me’ but merely come along to the meeting if your live in Bracknell and help decide your Conservative candidate, McKay said ‘Isn’t it charming how homosexuals rally like-minded chaps to their cause?’. That is a sneering, smarmy, inaccurate and condescending way to finish off a piece which started with the words ‘overtly gay’. Taken as a hole I consider that it is homophobic. If we are not allowed to state facts, which is all Iain did, without our sexuality being thrown into the mix how can any of us carry out a job of work, especially one in the public eye.

  14. Who is that other Julian? Call yourself something else man.

    Iain Dale is top class and won’t let some twot columnist get under his skin. Get Amanda Platell to get her claws in, Iain!

    I don’t know where some of you get this “Daily Mail = Tory = fascist” equation, which you always seem to bang on about. This tribal muck throwing is childish in the extreme.

    So if you vote tory you are not a real gay? And before you complain too much about the insult of a word such a “overt”, in what context do you all use the word tory, as opposed to Conservatives, a term of endearment?

    People in glass houses should stop throwing dogsh*t

  15. Stephen (13) said “If we are not allowed to state facts, which is all Iain did, without our sexuality being thrown into the mix how can any of us carry out a job of work, especially one in the public eye.

    To make that argument hold, there’d need to be a convincing case that his invitation “I hope any PinkNews readers who live in Bracknell will come to the open primary” had nothing to do with he and lots of PinkNews readers being gay. Because if he threw his sexuality into the mix himself, it has to be fair for anybody else to continue the theme.

  16. Sister Mary Clarence 1 Oct 2009, 6:23pm

    I think some people are working on the basis that the Conservative primary is only open to party member – is it not an open primary, where anyone can come along whatever party they support?

    They certainly are round here.

  17. To make that argument hold, there’d need to be a convincing case that his invitation “I hope any PinkNews readers who live in Bracknell will come to the open primary” had nothing to do with he and lots of PinkNews readers being gay. Because if he threw his sexuality into the mix himself, it has to be fair for anybody else to continue the theme.

    Exactly. He wants to set the rules about when his sexuality can and can’t be used. Not only does the world not work like that, but it is also crass hypocrisy.

    The last time he stood for Parliament, he single-handedly – and against the national trend – managed to turn a slender Liberal Democrat lead of less than 500, into a landslide Liberal Democrat win of over 10,000; so I have little doubt that even the Conservative voters of Bracknell will have more sense than to select the nasty little man.

    And yes, it is an open primary in the American style, so any registered voter can take part in the selection process.

  18. An overtly interesting blogger.

  19. The Daily Mail is making out that it’s seedy for a gay candidate to try and garner support from gay people. It’s no different from a christian candidate asking his fellow church goers to vote for him, or an asian candidate trying to gain support amongst asian voters.

  20. Joe Johnston 1 Oct 2009, 10:20pm

    What a load of rubbish you all talk! I too am ‘overtly gay’ – so what? What is Ian Dale’s problem with being told he is so – he is gay and he is out, ergo, he is overtly gay. Some gay people, including apparently the thin-skinned Mr Dale, will not be satisfied till being gay is COMPULSORY while to mention it will be TABOO

  21. Overtly gay is a euphemistic term

    Underlying this senitment is some thing more unpleasant and offensive . . .
    * How dare you be open about being gay
    * How dare you use your sexuality to gain votes
    * How dare you exist

  22. He should join the Labour Party and stop messing with the – others

  23. If everyone is so troubled by this they should go to the open primary and get involved with politics. These things along with the US style recall powers which Gordon Brown announced as being considered are great for giving people real power and engagement with their MP (my God, I’ve said something nice about Gordon Brown – I need to sit down).

    The real tragedy here is that if Iain is selected and elected he will have to stop doing his blog. How will we cope? And how is that diet going Iain? Put down that cake!!

  24. have you ever seen any of the journalists from the British tabloids?? they are a bunch of fat, ugly, unhealthy straight men. I think we should expose them, make similar stories about these disgusting MEN!

  25. @ martin

    Tell the world that they are overtly heterosexual? I somehow don’t think they will take issue with that.

  26. Jean-Paul Bentham 3 Oct 2009, 9:11am

    Aviad:

    Cut that out, wiil you MONKEYCHOPS !

    Who do you think you’re fooling?

    We all know that you are an ex-gay, alcoholic scizophrenic cyberspace sahpeshifter who has nothing better to do with “its” time than to disrupt the threads of PinkNews.

    Never mind making a pass at Martin. What does Iain Dale “seem to be doing” here anyway? If you’re too cught up looking into the spotlight, just exit right…nobody will notice, MONKEYCHOPS, MONKEYCHOPS, MONKEYCHOPS, More More, Bravo!!

  27. I don’t have a lot of sympathy with Iain Dale normally, but given the snide inuendo of the Daily Mail’s article, I think he is right to feel aggrieved.

    There’s nothing sinister about suggesting that gay people in the Bracknell area might want to support him. – I hope and expect that the response from most will be “no thanks mate.”JOHNSON samsun

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