What utter audacious BS! Once again the Roman Catholic Church is passing on and trying to obfuscate its sins and hypocrisy in dragnet style by pointing the finger to another scapegoat: our community to justify and vindicate their bigoted and discriminatory doctrines and teachings. The fact is paedophilia is a psychotic, sociopathic condition that seemingly affects 98% of heterosexual men.
No wonder why I am an athiest. Death to religion and all churches!!!!!!
Proof positive that the Catholic Church will continue to refuse to accept any responsibility for the reprehensible actions of their paedophile priests, and the extreme damage they have caused to their victims. They are in extreme denial, but in this case their denial continues to cause pain & suffering to the victims of their crimes.
SORRY STRIKE PART OF THAT LAST SENTENCE : : The sentence should read :The fact is paedophilia is a psychotic, sociopathic condition and it seemingly has been found that the 98% of its perpetrators have been heterosexual males. MY APOLOGIES TO MY HETEROSEXUAL BROTHERS
Of course the majority of their cases are male to male PAEDOPHILIA. Catholics don’t allow women into the priesthood. It’s a skewed sampling. In my opinion paedophilia is not about homosexual or heterosexual tendency (even though the majority of paedophiliacs are “heterosexual”) and to argue semantics deflects from the real issue of dealing with these sick individuals. This is just an effort to say homosexuals are responsible for child abuse, not paedophiles.
Maybe it has more to do with the fact that The Vatican can only attack homosexuality because it is in the Bible whereas paedophilia is not, so therefore paedophilia was, and still is I assume, acceptable in their eyes.
The Vatican, namely Ratzy the Nazi, has his Gobbels mouthpeice attempting to whitewash their crimes against Children by shifting the blame squarely on Gay people. They were bound to blame anyone but themselves because of the lessons learned by Ratzy the Nazi when he was in the Hitler Youth. They mention Jews and Anglican participation too. What Evil, dishonest Bastards residing in the Vatican.
Using the sh!t on the end of their own stick to yet again attempt to downtrod gays.
“It wasn’t us that did it, it was those nasty homo’s”
“Here’s is the proof at how nasty those gays are, they caused all of the luverly priests to interfere with children.”
You couldn’t make this stuff up.
Brian-I couldn`t have put it better if I had tried!!
“most of the offences are being committed by homosexuals.” Yet another attack on us by the RC Church and His Nastyness the Arch Homophobe of Rome! Trying to cover their backsides(!) by blaming us for their dirty, squalid paedophilia is quite despicable as well as possibly constituting a homophobic crime! Its a well known scientific fact that being Gay does not make you a paedophile! It’s a social fact that Gay people are not Paedophiles and on the contrary, most of them are straight married men! Would they dare pick on any other social group and spread this filthy liable? No, because they hate gay people with an obsessive compulsion , trying to convince the world that the RC church is not rotten from within. Well I have news for them, a modern rational society does not believe them for one second!
What can you say to a headline like this… Just show’s once again how out of touch the Vatican has become…
well they can’t single out ‘witches’ or jews any more, so they are just scapegoating gay people. Another reason to give ratzinger a hostile welcome when he visits this country. Time a mass kiss in was organised at the source of all this hate, St Peters Square
Predicatble rhetoric which we have sadly become accustomed to . . . but should never tolerate
Protest now . . .
“A Vatican official has said that the child sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was caused by gay men preying on teenage boys, rather than paedophilia.”
How utterly sickening!
No, Archbish, the sex abuse was NOT caused by “gay men”! Please use the correct terminology! Acknowledge the reality! The sex abuse was caused by ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS!
Say the words, Archbish! “We acknowledge that the sex abuse was caused by ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS!”
A very large number of Roman Catholic priests are in some way psycho-sexually disturbed. For most, that’s why they entered that strange profession, “priesthood”, in the first place.
I agree with comments above – male-on-male ie, ‘homosexual’ abuse is inevitably going to seem to top the figures in almost exclusively male environments. And I suspect that Catholic priests’ abuse of girls is still a huge untold story – Edna O’Brien’s description of her treatment by a priest during her Irish Catholic childhood is pretty grim. It’s hard to believe this sort of thing is/was rare, especially in cultures where it just couldn’t be talked about.
The link given above is incorrect. The No 10 petition to ban the Pope’s visit is at:
or click here to go directly to the petition
It sickens me to the core to hear these vile people try to shift the blame for their inexcusable crimes onto the shoulders of the gay community. These people rape and abuse children, and they have the temerity to say their activities have anything to do with the consensual loving relationships of adult gay men. It is disgusting beyond measure.
This gets to me especially because I myself freely identify as a homosexual ephebophile. I am particularly attracted to the 17-21 age group and make no apologies about that whatsoever – it connects me in no way, shape or form to the sub-human child abusers that the catholic church is protecting. Would a straight man with a penchant for 17-21 year old females receive any kind of opprobrium at all for his predilections? Would anyone insinuate that he were a child abuser? Of course not.
The church has its psychological terminology wrong here too, and has deliberately tried to muddy the waters so as to incriminate people like myself in their sordid crimes. Ephebophilia, in actual fact, refers to an attraction to recently POST-pubescent males, usually around the age of 18-20, which is what the term ‘ephebe’ meant in the original Athenian Greek (ephebic service was the obligatory two-year military training as citizen soldiers, undergone by all free-born Athenian men when they had reached the age of 18). The term for sexual attraction to males undergoing puberty is hebephilia, while the term for attraction to pre-pubescent children is paedophilia. To lump the entire 11-17 age bracket together is entirely to ignore these important distinctions, as well as the most important distinction of all – the legal age of consent.
The statement above also completely ignores the fact that very many of the victims of catholic child abuse crimes were female – especially in Ireland.
(cf. Blanchard, R., Lykins, A. D., Wherrett, D., Kuban, M. E., Cantor, J. M., Blak, T., Dickey, R., & Klassen, P. E. (2008). Pedophilia, hebephilia, and the DSM–V. Archives of Sexual Behavior. DOI 10.1007/s10508-008-9399-9.)
Next time I see a catholic priest I am going to make a point of spitting in his face. I am utterly incandescent.
I hope somebody in the gay community takes legal action against this slander.
I hope somebody puts a bullet in the old Nazi’s head when he visits Northern Ireland. I am sure words like this will provoke many attacks and killings by the Catholic sheep.
I attend a Catholic church with at least two gay couples among the regular congregation, who play a full part in the church community. This is a slap in their face. I am disgusted.
The captcha code for this post is “22 burks”. It seems almost appropriate, except there are more than 22 of them in the Vatican.
There is no sickness like religion!
So what about the girls who were molested by straight priests, why isn’t this moron addressing that which brings me to another point.
To digress, now that would-be seminarians have to undergo psychological testing to discern if they have a same-sex attraction, a means to weed out suspect gays, thereby banning them from the priesthood, which criteria does the Vatican use to discern the straight seminarians whose predilection is for girls, they do exist don’t they? Tell us Gruppenfuehrer Ratzinger, how do you discern that?
Well, any gay man out there who is still catholic, lapsed or otherwise, send them a clear message about their church and its corrupt members:- “defect” formally.
And if you think whats the point, keep in mind you’re on their books as a catholic, whether you like it or not, and they use your name to lend weight to this kind of nonsense.
A site has been set up in Ireland to address this. Click my name to see how easy it is….
Ratzi the Nazi advised bishops to protect paedophiles when he was the head of the inquisition (it still exists you know – just called something else).
Isn’t that a crime?
I’m wondering would it be possible to report his crime and request that as soon as he sets foot on British soil he is arrested.
That evil bastard is NOT welcome here.
However seeing as nothing will be done about this genocidal maniac’s visit then gay people should stage kiss-ins EVERYWHERE he goes. When he does mass, gay people should get communion from him and spit it back in his evil, Nazi face.
kinda makes sense though if you allow yourself to look through . . . ??!!
He added that “available research” showed that only 1.5 to five per cent of Catholic clergy had been implicated in cases of child sex abuse.
Am I the only one who finds it shocking that even the church would estimate that as many as one in twenty clergy have been involved in fiddling kids? Talk about confessing to institutional child abuse on an industrial scale.
With more than 275,000 Roman Catholic churches in the world – most of which will have had a fair few priests in their time – that means that the church could currently be protecting tens of thousands of un-convicted kiddy fiddlers .. and that the historical numbers could easily be in six figures.
No wonder they are so desperate to shift the blame.
What the bishop says is true in the sense that the child sex abusers were probably ephebophiles instead of paedophiles. But ALL were catholic priests. His attempts to link homoexuality with ephebophilia instead of the more accurate link between catholic priesthood and ephebophilia is plain disgusting.
I fully intend to go to one of the pope’s masses with my boyfriend and intend getting as close as I can to Ratzi the Nazi and start kissing. Even better I can try to get communion from the Nazi (I’m not catholic but who cares); then spitting it in his face and then snogging my boyfriend.
Even better – doing a citizens arrest on the evil monster like Peter Tatchell did with Mugabe.
As i believe Father Ted said it best:
“Even if 5 percent of priests were paedophiles…thats still only about 10 million paedophiles”
….Makes NO ‘sense’ at all! Haven’t you read the above comments??
Ephebophilia is a sexual preference for mid-to-late teens (15-19, but people age differently, so you have to use the term flexibly). It is also extremely prevalent and normal, especially among men. Youth has always been considered attractive.
Hebephilia is a sexual preference for younger pubescent children. The vast majority of so-called paedophiles are in fact hebephiles. I’m assuming that the so-called ephebophiles in this story are actually hebephiles.
Paedophilia is a sexual preference for pre-pubescent children. It is much, much rarer than your average tabloid would have you believe.
Also, none of these philias are “homosexual”, “heterosexual” or “bisexual”. Making such a claim is about as ludicrous as saying that only gay guys are into BDSM and bondage.
Whether they are paedophiles; ephebophiles or hebephiles is not really the point. The main point is that who he is talking about are ALL catholic priests. And the catholic church has protected them for DECADES.
Isn’t harbouring criminals also illegal. If so couldn’t Ratzinger get arrested if he comes to Britain
I’m hoping the Roman Catholic Church dies the ignoble but public death that it so deserves for the pain & suffering that it has promoted across the centuries.
It’s bad logic is nauseating.
Gee, the Nazi Head of the vatican, who spent his youth as a member of the nazi youth party blames jews for absuing children too?? Imagine that!! I wonder what Anne Frank would say.
gays need to let go of god…
Ah, the stench of religious ignorance. I swear, I do not know why it is that any gay man would join the Catholic church given how well we are received by them. We are lucky that we are not embraced by the church because we will not be infected with the Jesus virus and we are much better without it, IMHO.
From the day Pope Paul II admited seven Catholic sinfull mountain, the Catholic never change to better but get deeper into the sins. I see the higher rank of Catholic leaders the more sins they are against 10 commendmants and more stupidity. They must open their minds to see Catholic child sex abuse cause by the worthless religious theory of Catholic not homosexualitys or paedophiles.
“I swear, I do not know why it is that any gay man would join the Catholic church given how well we are received by them”
Well, not many Catholics had a choice unfortunately… baptism at 6 months old doesn’t really offer much leeway for the child to say no. But if you’re unfortunate enough to be gay and baptised, there is a way to amend that mistake.
Pumpkin, ephebophilia of course is gender neutral. It can be a man or woman molesting the opposite sex. However, during the U.S. molestation scandal it was scarcely mentioned but the roman cult made sure that it produced its own devout cultist psychiatrists to issue a statement equating “homosexuality” with paedophilia, strictly so. Gays were the target of the witch hunts in the seminaries, not the straight offenders who were part of the scandal. The gay candidates for the priesthood were and are to be “weeded out”, but it mentioned nothing about their straight counterparts and their predilection to molest the opposite sex. I wonder what the criteria would be to “weed” them out I wonder? The latter were conveniently ignored, swept under the mat.
I wish the RC church would take a look at a parallel situation to the one they have created for themselves. A male prison. A male environment in which the inmates do not have heterosexual sex. In a prison there is a significant amount of sex between inmates, much of it non consensual and little of it involving people who identify themselves as homosexual. It is about the drive to have sex and to exert power. Sexually driven dominant males prey on weaker males to fulfil their need for dominance and sexual relief. It is not too much of a stretch to postulate that if there were males in the 14 to 18 age group in an adult male prison,then they would form the main target group being percieved as the weakest of the closed group.
Another similarity is that it is covered up which allows it to flourish more as there are no consequences.
Is sexual abuse in prison any more the fault of gays than abuse within the RC church? I think not.
Truely beyond belief. I wonder if they have factored in that many of the Catholic clergy have far easier access to boys than girls no doubt they would be buggering schoolgirls more often if they could get their twisted little hands on them (or 5% of them would at least!)
Such dismal-dreaming rancorous vitupertaion here!
Such frothy-mouthed childish drivel!
Such withered hell-hated vile nut-hooks!
Archbishop Silvano Tomasi has got it manifestly wrong.
The condition of ephebophilia is entirely unrecognised by medical science.
It has not ben endorsed by the American Psychiatric Association or any other such body worldwide.
American courts have rejected the label on three occasions so far.
The fact is that far too many gays are indeed paedophiles.
Me thinks they protest too much!
So the roman catholic church has been ‘getting it’s house in order’ then. Perhaps that would explain why the Canadian bishop Raymond Lahey has gone on the run, after being caught with kiddy porn on his computer.
Then again, perhaps it was put there by those dreadful homosexuals, who will do anything to darken the name of Pope Adolf the first ;-)
VOODOO..Are you a Las Vegas Reject?
I think what you MEANT to say Voodoo is that too many catholic priests have been involved in child sex abuse, with the full knowledge and support of their hierarchy for decades. Now that their sick, evil, twisted behaviour has been found out they are looking for an easy scapegoat.
It won’t work. That pack of kiddie-fiddlers are reaping now what they have sowed. Empty churches and universal disgust.
Father Brendan Smyth was the first Roman Catholic priest in the Irish Republic to be revealed as an abuser.Smyth abused boys and girls equally.Catholic priests,like the trio who have been sentenced today (1stOctober) for abusing little tots,do it because they could get away with it.They did it because they know that the likes of Ratzinger would cover it up if it came to light.Complaining children and parents were threatened to shut them up.The Roman Catholic church in Rome is rotten to the core – the fact that they elected Ratzinger – a nasty man with a very dubious family history a propos the nazi era in Germany – as Pope in preference to the liberal and enlightened Belgian Cardinal DeNeels clearly shows this.The Hierarchy of the catholic church wants to put people in fear of itself.You do that by picking out and victimising a vulnerable group.This chorus in the UN and in all the catholic countries is despicable but typical of what this type of bully will do.
Think – homophobia is being actively encouraged amongst children in catholic schools in Great Britain today,how many councillors in your area are catholics? – more than you might think but it is seen as a route to power – and how many police officers in the Force that is supposed to serve you are catholics as well.
The Roman Catholic church’s campaign to vilify homosexuals is nothing more than vicious sectarian warfare.
All Rowan Williams,the Archbishop of Canterbury, does is to kiss the Pope’s ring
yet another vile attempt by church to protect its outdated power. This accusation follows the churches policy – if its bad, blame homosexuals. Reality is religion knows full well a breath of enlightenment has began globally and people want a better world to live in. Religion has sat comfortable with bad politics and extreme corporate greed – all of which need the masses to prop them up. They all need exposure for their disgusting existance. This accustion is fully transparent and shows their fear.
Most paedophiles are living as heterosexual men and are married get your facts right Voodoo.
This article ought to put to rest, once and for all, the question of why the Catholic Church is the Church of Irony and Bogus Banter. First they take responsibility for their sins, and now they shift the responsibility to gay people and others. Good grief, Popesy, have you no shame?! Yikes! no wonder the church has lost solid footing in the last 40 years.
I thought it well known that Catholic priests mostly abused boys because they were the ones who they had access to mostly because girls were not allowed to be altar servers. In cases of abuse in schools, the percentage of children abused is almost certainly less biassed.
They should be sued for such offensive remarks!
No 45: Gendy: you say: “how many councillors in your area are catholics? – more than you might think but it is seen as a route to power – and how many police officers in the Force that is supposed to serve you are catholics as well.”
That’s hardly fair now is it? We all know how corrupt and hateful the catholic hierarchy is and how they protected the child abusers within the clergy. But it is wrong to paint all catholics with that brush. By and large most ordinary catholics are as disgusted by the priests’ behaviour as you or I.
I used to be an altar boy when I was 12 (the glamour – I wore a red dress with a white overall – very chic). Looking back on it, it’s interesting to see that each time I served my mum would wait to collect me every single time. This was a couple of years before the Brendan Smyth story broke. But she’s no fool. I reckon she had heard the whispers about priestly behaviour – unsurprising seeing as how it had been ongoing for decades.
I quit god when I was about 16 however.
Protentally homophobic statements like this could exspload into
Violence if the church is not carfull!
a look at this violence after Prop8
“I’m wondering would it be possible to report his crime and request that as soon as he sets foot on British soil he is arrested.”
But, aren’t you afraid that such talk will provoke Ratzy the Nazi to summon his international troups of octogenarian Khights of Columbus wearing multi-coloured ostrich feathers in their chapeaux and swinging chrome swords wearing their tuxedos while their satin-lines capes sway theatrically from their broad shoulders? Well, at least they are covered by their life insurance company…I mean religion…I mean comapny…oh never mind.
Gawd forbid you should make the world’s Catholic Women’s League angry: they are liable to start throwing egg-salad sandwiches at the gay community, even if so many of us are their children.
Worst of all, can you imagine if all the statues in all the catholic churches started to cry simultaneously, and apparitions started to point to the actual grave of John Cardinal Newman forever in the embrace o his life-long loving companion Ambrose St. John. Holy Condom, Batman; Let’s take a shower!!
St. Oscar Wilde, pray for us!
But, as a gay cradle-catholic about to take Will’s advice, I ain’t bitter.
This revolting multi billion dollar indoctrination industry should be held to account and shown up for the evil self serving bar stewards that they are.
Unfortunately, their centuries of lies, deceipt and self serviance has worked up to this point with billions fooled
into said business.
This is the dirtiest tactic I have ever seen in my short 43 years
Blame a Vatican hated minority for their own paedophilic shortcomings.
Job done. Church absolved. It was the gays that done it.
Sick, Sick, Sick.
here’s an interesting site ….. enjoy! It says it all really
Simon Murphy, I absolutely agree with your comments – couldn’t have put it better myself
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
LEAVE IT TO THEM.
HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS SEX BETWEEN TWO MALES, BOTH ADULT.
PAEDOPHILE BEHAVIOR IS WHEN AN ADULT (MALE OR FEMALE) HAS SEX WITH A MINOR (UNDER 18, AS I UNDERSTAND IT……….THOUGH THE LAW MAY VARY THIS AGE LEVEL REGIONALLY) WHO IS MALE OR FEMALE. THE DEFINITION OF HETEROSEXUAL OR HOMOSEXUAL SHOULD NOT BE LABELED WITH PAEDOPHILIA.
EPHEBOPHILIA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, DESCRIBES A PARTICULAR DIVISION WITHIN PAEDOPHILIA, ONE WHERE THE AGE OF THE VICTIM IS BETWEEN PUBERTY AND ADULTHOOD.
TO PUT IT SIMPLY, SEX BETWEEN AN ADULT AND A MINOR IS PAEDOPHILIA. THE FACT THAT IT IS MALE-MALE, FEMALE-FEMALE, MALE-FEMALE SHOULD BE IRRELEVANT. IT IS THE ADULT-MINOR RELATIONSHIP THAT IS OBJECTIONABLE. THE CURRENT VIEW OF THE CHURCH (THROUGH THIS STATEMENT) SUGGESTS THAT IT FROWNS MORE UPON HOMOSEXUAL PAEDOPHILIA THAN IT DOES HETEROSEXUAL PAEDOPHILIA, FAVORING ONE BEHAVIOR OVER ANOTHER.
THE VARIOUS CHURCHES (RELIGIONS) NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES WHY THEY HAVE BECOME THE BIGGEST CLOSETS FOR DEVIANT BEHAVIOR. WE NEED TO UNCOVER WHAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG WITH THESE INSTITUTIONS THAT THEY BECOME SAFE-HAVENS AND ENCOURAGERS OF ABUSES OF POWER.
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF THE PROBLEMS LIE WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF THE GOVERNANCE OF THESE INSTITUTIONS, WITH THEIR DECLARATIONS OF INFALLIBILITY, WITH THEIR UNLIMITED PROTECTIONS FROM CIVIL LAW AND SOCIAL JUSTICE, WITH THE UNWARRANTED REVERENCE THEY ARE GIVEN AS MERE MORTALS. THE AUDACITY OF ANY INDIVIDUAL TO DECLARE HIMSELF AS THE VICAR OF CHRIST AND THEN DECLARE THAT CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION SUGGESTS A DESPOT WITH A MONUMENTAL A-LA-HITLER EGO.
AT LEAST THE MONARCHY (BRITISH) ONLY DECLARES THE MONARCH AS A SERVANT OF GOD AND THE PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH EARLIER CENTURIES GAVE THE MONARCH GREATER ABSOLUTE POWERS WHERE NOW THEY ARE MERELY SYMBOLIC WITHIN DEMOCRATIC RULE.
IT WOULD BE EASY TO SAY THAT POPE JOHN PAUL II WAS MUCH MORE APPROACHABLE THAN QUEEN ELIZABETH II AND CERTAINLY MORE LIKEABLE.
BUT THE ABSOLUTE INFALLABLE POWERS OF THE PAPACY REMAINED UNQUESTIONED FOR TWO MILLENIUMS, WHERE THE MONARCHY HAS GONE THROUGH MANY TRANSITIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FIVE CENTURIES.
READ UP ON ELIZABETH THE FIRST AND YOU WILL FIND THAT, AS HEAD OF THE CHURCH AS WELL AS HEAD OF STATE, SHE WAS FAR MORE FLEXIBLE THAN ANY POPE HAS EVER BEEN, BEFORE OR SINCE.
ENOUGH FOR NOW, I SUDDENLY FEEL WEAK AND MUST REST.
BOB THE SLOB
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I’M WRITING FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAINBOW!
When will they ever learn; when will they ever le-e-ea-a-rn?
Total BS, how about the child sexual abuse cases where it was a preteen to teenage girl?
BOB THE SLOB,..Would you ming repeating you comments again please?
Don’t you feel you are well rid of these ‘Robed Monsters,’ these pillagers of the human soul? They are playing their hand with an ace up the sleeve. The ace being: Lay carfull blame on all and sundry but not themselves. Their tactic has military precision and their propaganda mouth-piece seems quite skilled at spreading the blame away from the Vatican. I wonder if the Media sees it that way?
Hey Bob the Slob, That’s why I called hight rank leaders of Romman Catholic are so stupid plus mountain of sins by running around the truth.
You sound Ani-Semetic to me matey. We don’t want your CRAP on this site!
mr. burton, you’re not wearing your glasses i suppose, or you would have seen that lincoln is merely pointing out the similarity between hitler’s use of the jews as scapegoats and ratzinger appointing gays as the new outlaws.
Surely this qualifies as hate speech?
“That’s hardly fair now is it? We all know how corrupt and hateful the catholic hierarchy is and how they protected the child abusers within the clergy. But it is wrong to paint all catholics with that brush. By and large most ordinary catholics are as disgusted by the priests’ behaviour as you or I”
The Roman Catholic church demands obediance above all….that means that Catholic councillors will NOT support gay rights in their area because of lobbying by priests ditto the behaviour of Catholic police officers.
Any other view is naive.Great Britain is a Protestant country (and not of the Ulster Unionist kind) where Catholics and Muslims ( as well as Jews) are vocal minorities with sharp elbows whose views and thus policies prevail over an apathetic Protestant minority.
We will no doubt be treated during the course of the visit to Britain of Ratzinger to the sight of Rowan Williams ,the Archbishop of Canterbury, kissing Benedict’s ring in a shameful act of submission.An act that will be nauseating to much of the Church of England congregation.
I am a Catholic, and even I can’t believe the ignorance and the utter arrogance of these Church officials!! Trying to re-classify the crime by some other name, blaming other religious denominations and institutions, etc. etc….Lord have mercy upon the men who run this Church! “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto white sepulchres, which appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones and all sorts of uncleanliness! Even ye outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity!” (Matthew 23:27,28)
I’m too tired to read all of the comments that have been posted here, but the few that I read are spot-on.
I grew up in the Catholic Church, next to a convent sitting on a vast piece of property and the nuns were of the Dominican order. My people have been Catholics since the time that Ratzinger’s barbarian ancestors were creating mayhem making pests of themselves along Rome’s borders. So, the only thing that I can add is to tell all of you, gay or straight, to consider the source.
Ratzinger doesn’t mirror the church that I was born into, nor does he demonstrate an iota of the compassion that I experienced firsthand from nuns and priests who passionately believed in their calling. Ratzinger represents the sinister, vindictive, hawkish demeanor of an angry man. How he went from manning a German anti-aircraft battery to the throne of Saint Peter baffles me, but I think that behind closed doors he’s a blackmailer and an extortionist of the first order. I still can’t believe that the College of Cardinals were so spineless, powerless and lacking in unity that they allowed themselves to be bullied into electing this petty scowling character.
Barbara Tuchman in her wonderful book titled, A Distant Mirror, wrote of how when the Church was stumped for accessing charges such as witchcraft and sorcery, it resorted to accusations of sodomy; they did it to Joan of Arc.
So to have a man who was immersed in the propaganda of Aryan superiority accuse others, should come as no surprise to anyone. He’s playing to the same malleable mind that burst into tears and applause when Hitler spoke of his master plan.
What great good fortune for humanity that he won’t be on the world stage for a generation; he’s a dinosaur.
A silly man clutching at straws for the dying Roman Catholic church
Whilst it may me unfair to tar all Roman Catholics with the same brush; it should be remembered that by not turning their backs on the institution, all Roman Catholics are to some extent guilty of continuing to enable an institution which can make statements such as the one reported here and in which there isn’t a widespread movement for change and enlightenment. So, like it or not, all Roman Catholics are unfortunately, to some extent, guilty by association.
It would be different if these atrocities had only just become common knowledge; but they haven’t and they have been known about for decades.
And when they finally pay someone for abuse suffered (having delayed things for decades and moved priests on again and again to abuse more victims) they make those victims sign confidentiality contracts so they can never say what happened, and also threaten them with excommunication.
And who was in charge of this special panel in the 80s and 90s?Cardinal Ratzenberger! Shameful!
No: 68: Gendy: You say:@ “The Roman Catholic church demands obediance above all….that means that Catholic councillors will NOT support gay rights”
Do you have ANY evidence to back up this statement?
It was the catholic Tony Blair who introduced Civil Unions and who equalised the age of consent for gay people (OK he didn’t ‘officially’ convert until after he was PM but throughout his premiership he attended catholic church services)
Bear in mind that despite the requirements for obedience catholic women use the contraceptive pill in numbers identical to non-catholics. Divorce rates among catholics are marginally lower than among non-catholics and about 99.9% of catholics are sickened by their pedophile clergy.
Ordinary catholics are not fundementalists. Why are you trying to promote the idea that they are?
You are actually behaving in a manner quite similar to the evil catholic hierarchy who try to paint all gay people as paedos. You are trying to paint all catholics as bigots when quite clearly it is their clergy and hierarchy who are the problem.
No 72:L Aviad: “So, like it or not, all Roman Catholics are unfortunately, to some extent, guilty by association.”
So do you also accept that all Anglicans are guilty by association for the atrocitie being committed in Iraq. If the Iraq invasion was illegal (which is now widely accepted) and the British Army is fighting for Queen and Country; and said Queen is the head of the church of England then by your reasoning all anglicans are guilty by association for the deaths to date of the 750,000 dead Iraqis.
Tenuous logic such as the type you are using is unhelpful and irrelevant
So do you also accept that all Anglicans are guilty by association for the atrocitie [sic] being committed in Iraq.
If only my logic were anywhere close to being as tenuous as yours (if your thinking can even be called logic).
Since the Anglican communion is a global communion and isn’t just confined to the British Isles, I fail to see how it can be held responsible for the actions of the British government. So the answer to your question is a resounding ‘NO’; but as a British citizen I do accept that the British people have a responsibility for what is done in our name, by our government.
Likewise, as a Jew, I carry a burden of responsibility for the fact that I am a part of a community that has a boorish tendency to scream ANTI-SEMITISM! whenever anyone is brave enough to level perfectly justified criticisms of the Israeli government and its agencies (including the IDF), or complains that it is offensive whenever a genocide perpetrated by Jews is likened to a genocide perpetrated by Nazis.
But your logic IS tenuous Aviad. There are supposedly 4,2 million catholics in Britain. Your claims that all catholics as a group are guilty by association for the crimes of the catholic clergy and hierarchy is no different from claiming that ALL jews who support Israel are guilty of the crimes of the Israeli state.
You need to get a sense of perspective. People can identify as jewish or catholic or muslim WITHOUT supporting the crimes of their leadership.
Why don’t you religious types just F off and let humanity get on with the business of living their 3 score years and 10 in bl00dy peace without having to listen to your continual illogical babbling about who’s sky pixie is best.
I agree Vince. People need to be careful about making blanket accusations against groups of people based solely on their religion or ethnicity or sexual orientation.
I hate religion as I think it has nothing of value to offer the country. I would never make the mistake of tarring all members with the same brush. It simply leads to shrieking accusations.
As I said before, Vince, if only my logic were anywhere close to being as tenuous as yours. Nowhere did I say equally as guilty, so stop making your rabid extrapolations and slither back into whatever hole you came out of.
Aviad, you need to tone it down.
Your contributions are really quite inflammatory and unhelpful and are backed up with as much fact and logic as the catholic bishop’s statements.
Don’t forget that as a culture the whole awareness of paedophilia (not just by catholic clergy but in society as a whole) has really only been exposed in the last 20 years. And the priests were molesting kids long before that. People may have had suspicions of course but as a culture there was not the support mechanisms or awareness on how to deal with it. Like I mentioned earlier my mum used to wait to collect me after I served mass on a Sunday each and every time possibly because of rumours she may have heard. But it is difficult to oppose child abuse in a society that did not have the tools to address it. That has changed now and it is unhelpful to start screaming ‘collaborator’ against the entire catholic population.
And if you look at catholic mass attendance figures you’ll find that a majority of people who identify as catholic don’t attend mass – only something like 18% of catholics attend church on a regular basis.
I’d say you have a very narrow mind and an equally narrow view of life in general. I have always prefered the cosmoplitan society but I have learned also to be tolerant of others. When you learn to tolerate David, it’s the beginning of wisdom. Wisdom comes through time and experiance, Time you have David, experiance you have not.Civilization is not an easy thing for any of us to attain to. There are only two ways to reach it, one is by being cultured, the other is by being corrupt. Life should’nt be more complicated than that!
And perhaps you need to stop telling me what I need to do .. especially as you very clearly haven’t even bothered to read what I actually said.
IF I was claiming that there was equal responsibility, then I would agree with what you have said .. but since I very clearly was not saying that, I shall dismiss your banal nonsense as the illogical inflammatory gibberish of a troll that it so very clearly is.
If as a member self-declaring member of a community you don’t just stand up and be counted as speaking out for what is wrong with that community, but also work pro-actively for change, then you share some of the guilt for what is wrong. That is all that I am saying. Nowhere have I said that your responsibility is equal to that of the person who molests the child, or seeks to cover up that molestation.
People may have had suspicions of course but as a culture there was not the support mechanisms or awareness on how to deal with it.
That just makes you sound like a sad apologist cast from the very same mold as our friend the Bishop. The lack of a mechanism is not only a pathetic excuse, but also a vacuous misrepresentation.
It sounds to me, Simon, like you are the sort of miserable person who is more than happy to apportion blame to others, but reluctant to accept it if any of it lands anywhere close to you or your loved ones.
We have a possible papel visit to the UK next year, with an invitation from Mr Unpopular, Prime Minister Gordon Brown!! Now i know i don’t want to vote for this man…but i DO want to vote Labour, so for survivals sake… NEW LEADER NOW!!! We can voice our concerns to MPs and the like over this invitation, but will anyone listen and act to stop this vile homophobic man coming? Whats
the difference between the homophobic references made by Homophobic ‘rappers’ who were denied access to this country to plight their vile vocal lyrics, and those currently being aired by the Pope? I see no difference! So the same law and principles should apply! BAN HIM ! If he does reach our shores, we should give him a reception he and his church will never forget….and neither will PM Brown!
Like I said
“If as a member self-declaring member of a community you don’t just stand up and be counted as speaking out for what is wrong with that community, but also work pro-actively for change, then you share some of the guilt for what is wrong.”
That is too absolutist and impractial.There are shades of grey in all arguements.
It is not the catholic institution which molested children. It is priests who did (and who abused their positions of trust within their community). Likewise it is not British people who are responsible for the horrors of Iraq – it is the political establishment who used ‘British security’ as an excuse. It is totally possible to be catholic or Israeli or British and to oppose the action of the leadership. And it is unrealistic to be so all-or-nothing about it.
Being gay or jewish or catholic or Irish or British is merely an element of someone’s personality. It is possible to be catholic and support gay equality. Ask my mum.
It also possible to be an African American and support the Klu Klux Klan.
However it doesn’t make sense.
You know you will have to learn to take a little criticism, if you expect others to adhere to what you want them to take on board. You spell out your views in a dozen lines then spend two dozen lines belly-aching. Simon Murphy has a much better grasp of this Pink News story than you have. So I would rather listen to Simon’s views than yours. But thats all by the by. Modern morality is at stake and the paedophillia saga had sorley put it to the test. I think we have all forgotten that water can cleanse, and fire purify and that the earth is Mother to us all.
Ask my mum.
Probably the best reason your will ever hear for not asking her :)
That is too absolutist and impractial [sic].
And that is the pure nonsensical platitude of an apologist for total inaction. Not only is it not absolutist, but there is room for plenty of shades of grey in my position – and certainly as many shades of grey as there are in your own deluded and guilt-free existence.
As for your bizarre notion that none of us have any responsibility for any of the the actions of our elected political establishment, that just goes to confirm my earlier stated belief that you sound like the sort of miserable person who is more than happy to apportion blame to others, but reluctant to accept it if any of it happens to land anywhere close to you or your loved ones.
But the prize for banality of the day goes to:
It is possible to be catholic and support gay equality. Ask my mum.
Given that it is perfectly possible (as tens of millions of people are) to be a catholic without even being a Roman Catholic, that is just a statement of the bloody obvious – but it doesn’t actually deflect from the fact that the Roman Catholic church would actually disagree with your mum.
So you think that Simon has a better grasp of the article? Which I am afraid only shows how little grasp you have it.
Dave, actually some catholic priests do have hetero sex but keep it discreet, some have long time girlfriends, and some even father children believe it or not, its been going on for almost two millenia. These same priests are the types who molest girls as we’ve seen in the U.S., Ireland and elsewhere, yet the Vatican has yet to tell us the criteria by which it discerns hetero would-be seminarians who are predisposed to molesting girls and like their gay counterparts should be weeded out. Nobody is asking the question.
Well, if anyone knows about the evil of homosexuality, it’s the Catholics. I just wonder if it makes any difference for the victims to know that they were preyed upon by gays, and not by paedophiles. Does this mean that way the church betrayed vulnerable people in its care is not as bad as we think? Questions the pope won’t answer, I tink.
And this criminal organization has a permanent observer at the UN!
Why don’t you try shutting your big stupid mouth and give your Arse a chance?….No one is reading your inane comments!
On 22 September, speaking in the plenary of the UN Human Rights Council, the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), representing more that 100 humanist, secular and free-thought organisations in over 40 countries, criticised the Holy See over its role in covering up the scale of child abuse by its priests and religious orders, and for failing to honour its obligations under international law. The statement was based on a longer written statement submitted to the Council in August and published by the UN on 8 September (http://www.iheu.org/un-publishes-iheu-statement-child-abuse-and- holy-see).
The IHEU statement addressed specifically the role of the Holy See – which claims responsibility for the Catholic Church worldwide – in attempting to cover up the extent of child abuse perpetrated by its priests and religious orders. In exercising their right of reply to this criticism the representative of the Holy See ignored the main criticism contained in our statement.
The reply made on behalf of the Papal Nuncio Archbishop Thomasi argued that the Catholic Church was not unique in having clergy who sexually abused children and young people, but it made no mention of the physical and mental abuse meted out for generations to children under the care of its religious orders. No doubt there are abusers in all walks of life, but our point was not the abuse itself but the cover up in which some of the highest officials of the Church were implicated.
The Holy See is a sovereign state and its senior clergy, safely ensconced in the Vatican out of reach of civil law, are answerable to no earthly power other than themselves – and to the few international treaties to which they are party. One such is the International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) and, as shown in the IHEU report, the Holy See is in massive breach of its obligations under that convention.
Commenting on the Holy See’s response, IHEU Main Representative in Geneva, Roy Brown, said: “By failing to address this issue while seeking to point the finger of blame elsewhere, the Holy See’ has scored a spectacular own goal. One senior UN official described their reply as ‘a disgrace’. We agree.”
oh dearie me, some people are getting very hot under the collar. count to ten and have a look at this as a relaxant:
Aviad – your comments that all catholics (regardless of whether they are committed or not) are in some way responsible for catholic priestly paedophilia is no different from the bishop in this story saying that all gay people are responsible for priestly paedophilia so long as the victims were male.
Your unpleasant tone and refusal to actually take on board any other comments makes you seem like a very small minded person.
@ Simon Murphy
They may be the same in YOUR opinion – but then I have to question the worth of your opinion if you can’t understand the very crucial difference. In no way imaginable does what I say liken to saying that all gay people are responsible for priestly paedophilia so long as the victims were male. For you to even forward such a bizarre straw man claim shows just how totally bankrupt your argument is and that your only purpose is to troll and inflame.
As for not taking aboard the comments made by others, I can equally say the same for you and the utter single-minded banality that you are spouting.
Give it a rest you silly little man.
You really are being ridiculous, Simon. You are either deliberately spoiling for a fight or having sever comprehension issues. There is no way that what Aviad has said could be construed in a manner that likens it to saying that all men saying that all gay men are responsible for priestly paedophilia so long as the victims were male.
I am afraid that your determination to defend that offence to humanity, the Roman Catholic Church, is getting the better of you.
Ok, you two…Aviad and Simon, you can stop cluttering this thread with your TIT for TAT Row. We want to see other views other than yours right now.
The Catholic Church is full of corruption and cover ups and should be challened, the BNP of Religion. Any gay catholics should be ashamed to align themselves to such an outdated and dangerous organisation. There is a history of violent abuse against children on the part of nuns–just examine Ireland and the power some nuns had.
We live is a diverese society today, why do the hierachy in the Catholic church spout so much about thier hatred for gay men, becasue the are scared of thier own identities. I personaly believe that the Catholic church should be abolished and those responsible for covering up the Child abause should be jailed.
I don’t know, Suzi. I used to think the Catholic church had learned from these dreadful mistakes and was moving forward. But this disgusting report makes me wonder. The abusers and those who knew about them certainly should be jailed. Would anyone hesitate if it was happening in a school or any other institute? The cover ups are disgraceful. This pathetic excuse is even worse.
Reading the article again, I was struck by this paragraph.
The statement also attacked other religions, with Tomasi saying that most US churches embroiled in abuse scandals were Protestant, adding that the problem was also common in Jewish communities.
May I ask if anyone knows any evidence that this is remotely true or is it yet another example of blame shifting by this man?
It saddens me that a once united Gay community can scrap like gutter kids on this site. I doubt we do our cause any good by the abusive language used – and referring to Pope Benedict as a Nazi – please, that only shows a lack of one’s own morals.
WE all know there are serious errors in the way in which the Vatican addresses the sexual misconducts, and we all know that so called homosexual misdemeanors are way outnumbered by so called heterosexual misdemeanors, but what is the point of slagging of at the ignorant officials who have very little idea of the issues they are handling. Instead, get along side your local bishop – have a one-to-one chat with a priest and let them know how you feel in a positive manner – not a slagging match between ourselves. Join a local campaign of jaw not war.
Sorry, but local bishops are not at home to discussions on these issues, or for the most part, any other issue. The recently retired bishop in my diocese was such a liar and hypocrite that otherwise nice old ladies who have been Catholics all their lives would go through the diocisean newspaper and draw horns on any pictures of him, and the new one let us all down by cancelling an arrangement to say mass for the SVP members of the county because is favourite football team was live on TV. I would have no expectation of either of them listening about gay rights.
As for the Pope, I wouldn’t go so far as to call him a Nazi, but he wasn’t my choice. One thing Catholicism is not is a democracy. He has continually insulted gay people. The thing about them being a danger to mankind at Christmas was totally out of order.
For me, personally, being a Catholic isn’t about the Vatican, or even the bishop. It’s the local parish church with decent, if sometimes misguided, sometimes slightly backward thinking people. When I look at them, and our Priest and deacon, both of whom would cut their own hands off rather than commit an indecency to a child, thats my Catholic church. I just don’t even try to see it as a part of this huge corrupt thing that is displayed in this article. And I think that’s true of a lot of the people I know. They’re hurt and confused and let down by the heirarchy again and again on many issues, including this one. As far as gays in church are concerned, we’re operating a sort of variation of don’t ask, don’t tell, as in, “DON’T ASK stupid questions. Of course N, N, N and N are gay. But for God sake DON’T TELL the bishop.”
And what we’re supposed to make of this latest utterance from the Vatican, I just do not know. But me, and N, N, N and N will be outside waving the rainbow flags in protest if he happened to come to our parish and the priest knows that.
Vince (74,75,77); Simon Murphy (81,87,97; Brian(84,94):
4 stars for all of you!!! That ain’t bad.
Had you been clever enough to recognize Aviad as Monkeychop’s latest avatar, you would have earned 5 stars hands down.
Monkeychops, aka Aviad, is a Jew like I’m an Esquimo born in the outbacks of Australia.
As we know, he/she/it is an ex-gay alcoholic schizophrenic who occasionally forgets to take his medications, and who amuses itself by disrupting the threads at PinkNews, which by the way, “it” has just succeeded in doing again by pushing your buttons.
I expect his room-mates at the psychiatric ward – David Skinner, Hank and Reality – are in the wings at this very moment, awaiting their cue for their spectacular attempts to grab the spotlights.
Pope-bashing aside, the topic of this thread is the attempt by Tomato to blame the homosexuals of history and of the world for the crimes of paedophilia committed by mmembers of the Boy’s Club, the Roman Catholic clergy, regardless of their position in the patriarchic hierarchy.
Oh, and Aviad, there an empty seat next to Gordon Brown in my wonderful, my wonderful balloon which will take you up, up and awa-a-a-a-a-a-y-y-y-y-y-y-y, and you have all the hot air it will take to carry you far off to another galaxy.
But I ain’t bitter.
The comment about how can any LGBT person stay in the Roman Catholic church in its current state.!!!
. . . . How can the Roman Catholic Church change if we do not stay?
104: you say: “and referring to Pope Benedict as a Nazi – please, that only shows a lack of one’s own morals.”
Ahem. He was a member of Hitler Youth or had you forgotten that.
Catholic hierarchy are scum of the earth.
Catholic clergy are suspicious.
Religious catholics are misguided.
People who identify as catholic in name alone are just like you and me.
But I don’t believe in ‘god’ just in case anyone got that impression.
That was some mum you had, Simon.
That line brought a lump to my throat.
Thank God for mums, eh!
One good mum is worth all the 200+ popes put together.
Religion is Satan, pure unadulterated evil. Make this scumbag Pope see how unwelcome he and his flock are.
5 stars for you, my man.
My mother also took very good care of me cos we lived next to a catholic choirch.
Mom also taught me more than I learned at University, first by accepting me as I am: 100% gay. She had no problems with that at all, and we spent hour after hour talking and laughing and enjoying one another’s company. I was 14.
But she really didn’t like the way the pastor was serving drinks to minors and taking them for drives in his brand new shinny black Chysler with all that blinding chrome on it.
Now that I think of it, Dad often had drinks with the pastor.
Holy hot-buttered rum, Batman! What am I thinking!!
Monkeychops, please tell me what I “seem” to be thinking; you do have such a grasp on things, but you’ll have to use mouthwash first.
So tell me this, you know everything: Do the priests ‘seem to be’ gay or paedophiles to you, Monkeychops? Slurp!
I think you belive in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Gost….How do I know? Because you cannot stop talking about them even for a moment. Why, you even asked me If I thought Jesus ate Skittles? No matter how much you deny God…You are already on the ‘Road To Damascus.’
As for AVIAD? If you are Monkeyfacechops…watch out!!!
It’s no use answering a question with a question, that is the art of folly! The question is: ‘How can any LGBT person stay in the Catholic Church in it’s current state?’ The answer is simple: ‘Faith.’ People lack faith, especially Church people. When people can begin to belive that Faith can move mountains, only then will they be able to mend the brocken relationship between the Catholic Church and it’s Flock. Of course, there are many who rejoyce in the brocken-down Catholic Church, as a Gay Anglican Christian, I am not concerned with Catholicism and especially this Pope. But I cannot deny my feelings for the disposessed in the ensuing chaos. Morality is outraged and quite rightly so. But in all this, ‘Be Thyself,’ that is the secret of Christ!
With all due respect, Simon Murphy, you are off your trolley and creating a fallacy based on a total misrepresentation of Aviad’s position.
Despite what some activists would have us all believe, the ‘gay community’ is nothing more than a failed attempt at ‘social constructionism’.
Gay people as a whole do not consciously come together, act in unison and abide by rules of a single ‘gay community’ in the same manner as the other groups identified by Aviad.
On the other hand, both Zionism and the Roman Catholic Church are conscious comings together of like minds, which can therefore to some extent be held to question about their actions.
To extrapolate, as you have in your desperation to create a straw man argument, that Aviad’s position is no different to that of the Bishop, is nothing more than cheap hackneyed claptrap. Shame on you.
So you’re not sure that Aviad is Monkeychops, eh? Keith knows. A person can’t change writing styles for too long. He’s been using other names too, but who cares.
What is your feeling about the Tomato passing the blame of paedophilia off on homosexuals?
The whip, man, get the whip!!haha!
“To extrapolate, as you have in your desperation to create a straw man argument, that Aviad’s position is no different to that of the Bishop, is nothing more than cheap hackneyed claptrap. Shame on you.”
For crying out loud, MONKEYCHOPS, what’s with all this shapeshifting? Are you in love with Simon Murphy, or what?
Like I asked you in my post 111:
“So tell me this, you know everything: Do the priests ‘seem to be’ gay or paedophiles to you, Monkeychops? Slurp!”
Cixby, Go and Boil you head!!
Monkyfacechops will soon be in the Monkey soup if he suddenly explodes in that sanctamonious, idiotic drivel he spouts. As for Keith…Whos he?
Notice how Jean-Paul Bentham and Brian Burton ALWAYS pop up together and sing from the same deluded hymn sheet. You are so BUSTED!
At least I am trying to debate. You are just trying to drown out anyone who disagrees with you by making ludicrous accusations. Get a life you saddo troll.
Aviad, Cixby, whatever:
As we know, he/she/it is an ex-gay alcoholic schizophreniccybersapce shapeshifter who occasionally forgets to take his medications, and who amuses itself by disrupting the threads at PinkNews, which by the way, “it” has just succeeded in doing again by pushing our buttons.
But I ain’t bitter!
I shall treat that with the utter contempt which it deserves, Jean-Paul Bentham / Brian Burton / monkeychops or whatever your name is. Making accusations like that, simply because you don’t like what someone has to say, is rather cheap and says far more about you than it does anyone else.
Are you such a friendless tw*t in real life too? It is pretty obvious that your sole purpose here is to disrupt and cause as much offence as possible by posting the same inane nonsense on almost every single active discussion. Why is it that wherever you go there has to be at least one sad little ars*wipe like you?
No doubt you will now start accusing me as well. Well bring it on – and whilst you are at it, do ask PinkNews to check my IP address.
Aviad, Cixby, Mark:
As we know, he/she/it is an ex-gay alcoholic schizophrenic cybersapce shapeshifter who occasionally forgets to take his medications, and who amuses itself by disrupting the threads at PinkNews, which by the way, “it” has just succeeded in doing again by pushing our buttons.
Pope-bashing aside, the topic of this thread is the attempt by Tomato to blame the homosexuals of history and of the world for the crimes of paedophilia committed by members of the Boy’s Club, the Roman Catholic clergy, regardless of their position in the patriarchic hierarchy.
I do hate to disrupt your mindless rant, but what exactly is your opinion on the subject of this thread? You do know what an opinion is, don’t y’all?
Do you agree that the catholic church is passing off the blame of its paedophiliac, ordained clergy at all level of the hierachy to homosexuals or not? What’s to debate??
Up, up and awy in my beautiful, my beautiful balloo-o-o-o-o-on!
Please don’t take this the wrong way.
You can always report me to the moderator like a good little schizophrenic off its medications.
Then who will be left to stimulate the debate by disrupting but you? You’ll have the spotlight all to yourself. Tempting, eh, guys? Eh Monkeychops??
The moderator is just waiting for you, honey chops.
*points to #25 and ponders what a tragic case Jean-Paul is*
*points to #25 and ponders what tragic cases Jean-Paul and all his many sockpuppets are*
Are you guys using your office computers for personal business again?
Love those big thick letters. So self-important.
So you don’t have an opinion on the subject of this thread.
My, look at the time. I’ll be late for my Mambo lesson again. Ta. Yawn.
Why can’t you be Honest for once in your Drab, Wretched life? You Cry debate, debate and spend most of the time rowing with people who disagree with you as in the case of Simon Murph. He has a higher interlect than you sunshine and that is evident to me as an observer……Looks like you are in for a lot of stick agsin, and deservedly so!
“It’s no use answering a question with a question, that is the art of folly! The question is: ‘How can any LGBT person stay in the Catholic Church in it’s current state?’ The answer is simple: ‘Faith.’ People lack faith, especially Church people. When people can begin to belive that Faith can move mountains, only then will they be able to mend the brocken relationship between the Catholic Church and it’s Flock. Of course, there are many who rejoyce in the brocken-down Catholic Church, as a Gay Anglican Christian, I am not concerned with Catholicism and especially this Pope. But I cannot deny my feelings for the disposessed in the ensuing chaos. Morality is outraged and quite rightly so. But in all this, ‘Be Thyself,’ that is the secret of Christ!”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
So if you are a Gay Anglican Christian as your say you are, and you are not concerned with Catholicism or the Pope as you announce . . .
Why are you taking an active part in this thread. . .?
Seems like the art of Folly to me.
JohnK, Donn’t be bitchy, learn to take a little criticism too!
Erm… guys, any chance we could all count backwards from ten, drop the accusations of sock-puppetry and counter sockpuppetry and the humungous heap of ad-hominems and try to stick with empirical facts.
This thread is getting a bit derailed here. Somewhere back there there was an interesting topical debate and it’s got lost in the ad-hom firestorm.
It’s like watching Monty Python’s W.I. reconstruction of the Battle of Pearl Harbour… lots of flailing handbags and shreiking and precious little interest in the actual topic under discussion.
Play nice now… don’t make me come down there ;)
Flapjack, Thank Goodness for the voice of reason!
The debate in hand is the Vatican’s Pope spokesman has said Homosexuals did the abusing and not paedophiles in the Catholic Church. The first thing a propaganda machine learns is to blame everyone else but themselves. Jews, Anglicans and people calling themselves Homosexuals. Even in my area, offending Catholic Priests will only be moved to a new location and left free to resume their abuse anew in that new location. About ten years ago, a South American Nun came over her to have a Baby, then she left, minus the Baby. Cover-up comes naturally to the Catholic Hierarchy.
The Olimpic Games, held in Germany in 1936 featured Sycho-Analists sent from Brittain to observe Hitler at those Games. What their conclusions were is anyones guess. I wonder if a simular practice will take place when Ratzinger is riding down Whitehall in his Popemobile?
Brian Burton – Thanks.
Re. the popemobile- if they did send psychoanalyists to watch the pope through the glass you wouldn’t need to be Sigmund Freud to see the guy has serious issues. Just the words “tell me about your ‘youth’” would open a humungous can of worms if it wasn’t for the fact that particular can has been left wide open to public scrutiny for some time. He would have made his Furher proud.
My own conclusion is there’s a very good reason the Popemobile has bulletproof glass. As an additional security measure they might consider giving Ratzinger oversized Prada shoes to prevent him consistantly putting his foot in his mouth.
“Come to think of it, dad often had drinks with the pastor…”
That sums it up in one.
Bang on the button there, mon p’tit chou.
When you see shells…you guess eggs..!
It takes one to know one as I believe the Rumhead Catlicker Poop is talking about his self as to blaming the child molestation by his priests and more than likely his own personal and by trying to point the figure on his gay sisters in their black suits, he points the finger away in another direction in hopes his brain-washed flock of Catlickers will believe every lying word he speaks and put the blame squarely on outside sources thereby finding a scapegoat not amongst his Catlickers, but amongst the gay community. This slime ball holely Rumhead poop and his most as-sholiness, leader of the Catlickers church has sh-t for brains and most likely sucks off his own choir boys on a daily bases, but no “his priests did not do anything as the gays outside his church are to blame for all the Catlicker’s sex scandals.” What a complete crock of unholy sh-t!” Any sane gay person that are Catholics ought to quit going to that church now unless they agree with this dirty skunk.
This is how “SPIN” Works.
Wow. A religious cult and spin. What a nightmare.
That Vatican mouth-piece, I wonder if they realised by stiring the pot that had gone a bit flat over time. Is it self flagellation? Its gone from a pot to a cauldren now, they seem bent on shifting the blame from Catholic Preist to us Gay men. It’s public opinion they are after, as those propaganda wheels are turning, they might even end up getting the public on their side. Their devious scheme must not be allowed to succed. Someone said, all influence is immoral, the Vatican are looking io exersise an evil influence by accusing us and othes (Jews, Anglicans) with their paedophilic crimes. The Vatican being a State in it’s own right has a lot of power and is exercising it. They are a Law unto themselves as it has already been stated. But nothing lasts for ever….?
You’ve given me an…an….epiphanie!
It all makes sense to me now.
So that’s why why Mom, under the effects of morphine on her deathbed, looked me straight in the eyes and said :
“You’re just like your g*ddamn father.”
Hm-m-m-m-m….well, Dad did have these beatiful powder blue eyes and a great looking bread basket….oh never mind.
Personally, I kinda wish people would stop using the Hitler Youth membership to call Pope Benedict a Nazi. It is funny, and he does deserve it, but membership in the Hitler Youth was compulsory for German male teens from 1936 onwards (Ratzinger joined in 1941). By all means call him a Nazi for his beliefs, but don’t call him it for being a Hitler Youth: that’s insulting to the many innocent German boys who were also forced to join.
Sorry, please don’t take that as a personal invitation, you scoundrel!!
Catholics or Roman Catholic? I am a Catholic Priest, and am not roman Catholic. We don’t tolerate gays, we are welcomed (yes I am gay)
We are very Catholic. The one question I have is why my GLBT brothers and sisters hang on so tightly to the abuse that continues to this day.
Msgr Scott West,
It is Catholic Priests who have caused all the trouble in the first place with their involvemint over too many years of ‘Child Sexual Abuse.’ Now, as your Ex-Nazi Pope is blaming innocent Gays as ourselves of the Catholic Priesthood crimes, we have every right to fight fire with fire. I have seen grown men with wives and children complain on TV about the sexual abuse they suffered at the hands of Catholic Priests. My advice to you Msgr. Scott West, would be for you to keep a very low profile indeed at this time.
I think the archbishop has over looked a significant fact in that the majority of catholic sexual abuse cases stem from workhouses and orphanages which were gender segregated. These had female nuns running the centres for girls and women and male priests in charge of the institutions for boys and men. Thus any sexual predatory males would have had little or no access to females (females were also restricted from becoming altar boys). I do agree that there is a prevelance of ephebophilia within homosexuality but no more than with male heterosexuality where post adolescent females are often sexualised (eg. Brittany Spears in school uniform etc.)and as this is not recognised as a pathology and falls short of the age group of affected youths I think the term paedophelia is more accurate.
If the church hadn’t taken the intiative to seperate male priests from young females i think the statistics would be very different.
With an estimated 80% of american catholic priests being gay, it seems the archbishop has chosen a very poor scapegoat.
@Pumpkin Pie – I can see what you’re saying about the lazy application of Godwin’s law to anyone who happened to be conscripted into Hitler youth, as you correctly say, most German kids of that era had zero choice in the matter.
However, unlike most of his contemporaries who have used the benefit of hindsight to break free of the shackles of institutionalised bigotry, Ratzinger has continued to act as if he never left Hitler youth well into his 80′s. It’s been 6 decades since Hitler topped himself in a bunker in Berlin and yet Ratzinger still maintains those core ideals of disseminating hatred of all other minorities.
On that basis it’s a case of ‘if the cap fits’. IMO he does deserve it, so for him I’ll make an exception.
“…great looking bread basket.”……….?
Don’t talk to me about bread baskets..!
I could show you a doozie of a bread basket..!
It’s a good job I am 6’7″ tall otherwise you’d see my guts long ever before you saw my mush…Ha.!
Loved you post..!
And just enlighten me please Monseigneur SCOTT WEST at #143.
You are a Catholic priest but not Roman Catholic?
By that I take it to be that you do not acknowledge the primacy of the Roman Pontiff..?
Yes Flapjack indeed this bigot Ratzinger has continued to act as though he had not left the Hitler Youth. He maintains the core ideals as you say of disseminating hatred of all other minorities. He is now in a position of political power too as a head of State, and that is distinctly to Ratzinger’s advantage. The trouble with these Clergy, a Bishop will keep on saying at eighty whatever he was told to say when he was eighteen years old. (and ‘aint that the truth!) Ratzinger has made his mistakes in the past and he is now in the prosess of repeating them from his position of power.
More epiphanies, please.
My real name is Carinal Board, but you can call me “card-bored”.
Don’t you just hate that when I mis-represent myself.
I meant to say:
“My real name is Cardinal Board, but you can call me ‘card-bored’”.
It’s Monday, need I say more?
I had an idea it was you…you naughty boy..
It was the ‘JP’ of JPDUGAST that set me wundrin’
We’d better be careful…we’ll get drubbed for derailment by all and sundry and that nice ANGELICA will tell me I’m a racist-bigot-facist-nancyboy-jew with a frownable sense of humour.
I’d be sent to a correction centre if she ruled the world.
So no more JP.
Be serious or we’ll get done……….
Stick to the thread…or it’s currrtuns…
I have been spoonfeeding myself on this thread with every genuine veiwpoint on this ‘Gobbles’ type rant, accusing Homosexuals of the crimes the Vatican’s field Clergy have commited over many years. Msgr. Scott West claims that he is Catholic and Gay and welcomed as a Gay Priest. He obviously feels upset by this thread and our rightfully outraged opinions on the breaking of this story. Of course there is ‘Guilt By Association’ cyndrome, which I personally do not agree with. So, what of all the innocent Priests? How dose a honest person deal with that? Questions, questions, always so many questions!
Don’t look at me, Brian.
I didn’t say that Scotty West was another namne for Monmkeychops, or Aviad, or Cirtex, or Sugarplum Fairy..or…oh, never mind.
Very good rebuttal, man. The guy does appear to have a problem with minorities, innit.
Regardless of it’s origine though, a crime is a crime is a crime;
how many children have been given a death sentence in Africa for lack of a condom?
Oh well, get rid of the Africans, and just take over their natural resources without all that red tape, and paybacks and corruption and …oh, never mind.
By the same logic (logic!…what’s that got to do with anything?),
a lie is a lie is a lie; how many homosexuals does it take to make one paedophile priest…bishop (Msgr Lahey in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada, A-a-a-men, I mean A-a-a-a-boys….archbishop….cardinal….no, no, no…anything but the top dog…perish the tot, innit. Ah don’t want to have anything to do with popebashing…it’s like stepping on a crack in the sidewalk, and I won’t do it. You do it.
WTF is an Angelica?
Remember Lord Macauley’s pome:
“Hew down the bridge
With all the speed ye may;
For how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers,
A-and the temples of his ga-a-awds.”
Sounds like you’ve got a great bawd!
Was you ever approached by one of dem dere paedophiliac katolik preeese?
All of you; I really want all of you…tum-dee-dum-dum!
An ‘Angelica’ is a ‘Mother Very Superior’
It would take too long to explain here and we/I would get knobbled (again) for derailment/rambling/ranting.
I have been a very good boy and kept schtum for a long while; no more blots on no more copy-books; lemme keep it that way.
Anyway, the ever wondrous BRIAN BURTON is sockin’ it to ‘em; therefore I don’t need to; his bullets are as good, if not more betterer than mine.
“BURTON’s BULLETS ARE BESTEST.”
O thou that dost inhabit in my breast,
leave not the mansion so long tenantless,
Lest, growing ruinous, the building fall,
And leave no memory of what it was.
David Attenborough’s new TV wild-life series is all about animals that feed on each other. A Komodo Dragon ( A poisonous Lizard) bites another animal in a herd then goes to find it later because the bite is poisonious. This analogy applies to the Vatican too in a way. Spread the poison then reap the bodies (It almost works!) You know, who ever it was who defined man as rational? I think it was a premature definition. Man is not a rational animal. What ever is happening now in most Gay communities with regaurd to Gay rights is a million times better than I ever dreamed of in my mis-spent youth. In my youth dreams were not allowed, only harsh realities, like jail for Homosexuality. But then came the ‘Power of the People’ throwing off the chains of the old and reaching out with both hands to grasp the new. There is even a young Gay Soldier on the front of a magazine and he is accepted. You Children of Pink have got it made, if only you can see futher than the end of your noses.
“BURTON’s BULLETS ARE BEST..”
This is to Miss Scott West or is it Misses Scott West the gay Catlicker priest. Why on Mother Nature’s green earth would you want to be a priest in that gay hating church? Here is what I think of your screwed up church, I have taken it upon myself to put together this little diddy: “To hell with Mary the Drag Queen, full of disgrace. The slum lord is with out thee. Blasted are the fruit flies that hang around thy wound. In the name of the Fat Father, the Son of a b-tch and the Holely Goat. Awomen.” That is the only appropriate prayer for your “god” forsaken church who alleges to hate gays, yet 75% of its priests are child molesters.
Got to make it 160!
So, where is the ‘Moral’ sence in all the comments on this thread?
Should there be a moral sence, dominant or non-existant? Where is also the humanity in all this? We appear to be victims of a cruel vindictiveness stalking the political airwaves and eminating from the Vatican State. The Vatican is desperatley afraid of their past and doggedly trying to forge a future free of the paedophile lable that has stuck to the Catholic Priesthood. As for the Popes that have been around since St. Peter was proclaimed the first Pope. They have not gained the holy status they should have aspired to since Peter the first. There are questions here that even the wise cannot answer and would they really want to?
And your point Brian Burton is? Are you defending the Catholic pope or should I have asked the Catlicker poop? Ever since those bastards started out they have caused more suffering, death, destruction, war and bigotry than any other group of people since the dawn of man. If evil exists, it originated with the Catholics and their mighty poop pope. Anyone that would defend these evil bastards are no better than them including even a gay priest. You notice they all dress in black and their nuns dress up like witches which they are; witches the whole lot of them. Their black robed priests have black hearts and they worship statues and burn candles to their so-called-saints. Saints my foot, more like pig’s a-ses if you ask me. More of their demonic bullsh-t is all it is. I detest a f-cking Catholic more than any other religion with the exception of a f-cking towel-head Muslim or Hindu or Baptist as these low-lives are the cause of most of the suffering the world over. I have more respect for atheist than anyone else as at least they don’t go around dreaming up ways to find ways to cause suffering, death, destruction, genocide and war like most religions do. Anyone that embraces religion is already crazy in the head anyway, but that is no excuse to cause so much evil upon mankind. So if you are defending these pricks go join their priesthoods and have fun with their nun witches if that gets your jollies off.
Don’t ass me; I ain’t no tea-o-logan,,,tobagan,,,tea & bis..never mind.
Seems to me we need the guiding light of 21stCenturtySpirituality, either that or a “sweat lodge” (what’s that?? Dah.) for Miss Scott West who says:
“We are very Catholic. The one question I have is why my GLBT brothers and sisters hang on so tightly to the abuse that continues to this day.”
Note the royal “we”. Sounds to me like this is Monkeychops after a good long snort.
Do you really believe that A Roman Catholic Monseigneur, who ain’t a Catholic and who is gay, really exists anywhere else than in the opium den? A member of the HIERARCHY who would read PinkNews to begin with, a gay site Msgr stumbled upon while looking for kiidie-porn??
Why does everybody believe everything they read around here, FFS?
Show us some credentials, scotty, honey, or else, blow it out your ear.
Oh, and EAGLE, don’t be so shy, my good man.
Charity brothers, charity. And please, let’s cut the Nazi nonsense – you do yourselves no good by hanging on that feeble thread.
Show us your credentials, please, or blow it out your ear, sweetie.
Jean-Paul, Good Luck With The Brothers!
If to do was as easy as to know when were good to do,
Chapels had been Churches,
and poor mens cottages princes’ palaces.
It is a good divine that follows his own instructions.
The Merchant of Venice.
Sharks gotta swim Bats gotta Fly, I’m gonna luv one guy till I die. To Fred Or Dick Or Bob, he may be just a slob, But to me, he’s my guy he’s my guy and a I LUV ‘IM.
It’s utterly sickening!
No, Archbish, the sex abuse was NOT caused by “gay men”! Please use the correct terminology! Acknowledge the reality! The sex abuse was caused by ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS!
Say the words, Archbish! “We acknowledge that the sex abuse was caused by ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS!”
A very large number of Roman Catholic priests (or brothers) are in some way psycho-sexually disturbed. For most, that’s why they entered that strange profession, “a religious vocation”, in the first place.
Funny, but I’ve heard a catholic bishop say that gays are a threat to society.
When questioned, his excellency replied that if everyone were gay, that would be the end of society.
Then someone in the audience said:
“Bishop, if everyone were a catholic priest, ‘that’ would be the end of society.”
I thought that was kind of clever.
Don’t your agree Your Emminnence Scott West, and Br Graham-Michael?
I agree completely with Eddy, the sexual crimes were committed by catholic paedophile priests, not catholic homosexual priests.
There is no way around around that.
It’s one thing to listen to the drivel coming out of the vatican, another to believe it.
I’ll have my pound of flesh yet!
We must not forget also that the Vatican propaganda machine also blamed the Jews…now Jew baiting is a Nazi trait. One of our digital channels shows only history. They run a series called: “Nazies, A warning from history.” In the series, it shows the extent Jew baiting was practiced daily in Germany and ofcourse all occupied territories. In WW2 the Vatican were Nazi sympathizers and Ratzinger would know this. Ratzinger’s youth was steeped in Nazi doctrine and he is now using what he learned then to make sure the ball is in our court and it’s us on the defencive and not the Vatican.
A Famouse man once said: “Life is like a sewer, It depends on what you put into it, as to what you get out of it!”
Nothing riases my ire faster and nauseates me more than this attempt of the RC’s Arch-Homophobe trying to blame gays for the child sex-abuse scandals.
As I understand it, paedopilia has very little to do with sex, but is rather a matter of power. A child is vulnerable and so the paedophile can often dominate them and sexually abuse them. So, in my book, paedophiles are cowards as well as truly deviant individuals.
The RC Church hates LGBTQ people so greatly that it will say anything to blacken our name. And yes, much of the paedophilia is male-on-male simply because the RCs do not ordian women.
These people are just pitiful and hopefully the RC Church will become even more irrelevant than it already is.
I understand that many atheists are signing up for instant ordination on the website of the First Church of Atheism. Within seconds you are “ordained” and may therefore describe yourself as “The Reverend X, of the First Church of Atheism”! What a wheeze! Brilliant idea. You can even go further and buy a dog-collar with black of grey shirt attached, don a suit, and go round looking like a cleric! The sheep bow down before you wherever you go, making way for you on buses, etc., but you are a minister of a church of atheism! You can also turn up at hospitals etc., show your card, and expect to be given the right to council the sick and dying etc! Brilliant!
For too long these jumped pretenders of Religion have gone around in their exhibitionistic garb and with their self-appointed titles, lording it over everyone else, spreading belief in their fairy-tales, and corrupting society. Now their titles and their garb is being appropriated and they can do little about it!
The Christian churches are DYING!
All we have to worry about next is the alarming fast-growing Muslim church!
Christianity will never die. It’s 2,000 years old and there was Christians before Christ. How can there be a ‘First Church of Atheism’ when ‘Church’ is against an Atheists principles? And, like all these .orgs! there will be an incredible amount of in-fighting as they all jostle for their positions of power. I’m sure Simon Murphy would be elected first Atheist Pope?
Speaking as a Gay Christian (Simon knows me well!) I find your whole comment post quite hilarious! Love ‘N kisses Eddy you sweet thing!
There cannot be any shortage of romance in the Vatican State although it is carfully kept under wraps. For instance, a Gay Priest in the cofines of Vatican City ties a little bell to his penis. When he is approached by an attractive priest and he fancies him. The erection causese the bell to ring and the other Priest knows he has been cruised. I think it is a good idea myself! Well, I’m sure there must be more suttle approaches but I still think the ‘Bell’ principle is more sound (no pun intended!) If any one can think of a better plan..Fire away!
“Charity brothers, charity. And please, let’s cut the Nazi nonsense – you do yourselves no good by hanging on that feeble thread.”
Charity? To this man? Why? This man’s comments are not only vile, they are quite frankly stupid and very illinformed… does this reptile deserve charity? I think not. Pity, yes, but not charity.
And as for the Nazi comparison, why not? Its accurate. The head of the catholic church has the same views toward other religions, women and gay people as the Nazis did… is it any surprise really when he spent his idyllic Summers prancing about the Reich in brown shorts singing “Deutchland Ubber Alles” under a billowing swastika?
I think you need to wake up “Brother”, and stay off the alter wine.
I love to see all the homosexuals here frothing at the mouth because the truth is out. The NON RELIGOUS John Jay Criminal College posted a similar report about the abuses in the Catholic Church. Their conclusion was similar- 80% of the abuse in the Catholic Church was committed by homosexual priests raping teenage boys.
Most people within the Catholic Church are aware that up to 40% of the priesthood is comprised of HOMOSEXUAL males. Not to mention, look at gay pride marches and the depravity and nudity on display- even in the precense of children.
Naughty Sarah. Now stand in the corner with the dunces cap on!
Put a sock in it in, willya.
Will all friends here show me the report that said “gay” abused more than 60,000 children? Vatican is trying to turn the word “Priest” into “Gay”. That they say “Bible never wronng”, “Pope never wrong”, “Priest never wrong”. But the whole world already known “the Catholic priest sexual abused children” as reported. Those are the actions of Roman Catholic priests, not of Gay. We, in our culture, call “pig skin face”, it means the one who never feel shame when convict a crime.
To Bishop loan,
“The RC Church hates LGBTQ people so greatly that it will say anything to blacken our name.” Your words are pretty true, because if accept gay love and gay relationship, they must put their “Holly Bible” into fireplace cause by some liar in it. And then, the whole Roman Catholic system from the theory to local church will be tear down. So they must always teach to consider gay are siners, are their enemies. Don’t be surprise but try to survise.
“All we have to worry about next is the alarming fast-growing Muslim church!”
I don’t think Muslim is more dangerous than Roman Catholic. Muslim law headed gay, hanging gay… making the world criticize them. But Muslim did not preach the homophobic hate crime into the human heart like Roman Catholic did. That I say Roman Catholic is the most dangerous to human being, special to LGBT community. They are distroying human heart anh humain love.
Vo Dong Cung,
You are a very good Gay spokesman for all of the LGBT community.
Sign the petition to ban the popes visit to the UK next year
Mock me all you want. The non religous John Jay Study PROVED there to be a strong homosexual component to the abuse.
Most victims were teenage boys, not pre pubescent children. True paedophiles have no gender preference and like children who have not yet reached puberty.
This was not the case with the Catholic Church. None of this comes as a shock seeing as gay men seem to be obssessed with male youth.
Sarah thou dost protest too much and I can see thou art indeed a homosexual thyself. Get thee to a nunnery if thou wouldst be welcome there and repent forthwith of thy hypocrisy and the sin of hate. Oh what debauchery didst thou commit in thy youth to enrage thy soul so much. There is yet time for thee to come out from the heathen thou hast wed thyself to know the yoke of freedom. Thou O maiden canst be not what thou claimeth to be for thou art neither straight or holy, knowing not thy right from thy left. Poorest Sarah thou art a dog indeed,(look up that in your Bible!)
Of course the Church is responsible, but 90% of the molestors are gay. Maybe the gay community should own up to their sins and crimes too. Just because some queer is a priest, it doesn’t make his sins the sole property of the RCC