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  1. And which party helped enabled these ridiculous faith schools to sprout up all over the place…? It was dear old Tony Blair’s legacy!!! A disaster.

  2. Vulpus_rex 22 Sep 2009, 2:13pm

    Today the most senior lawyer in the country, Baroness Scotland, was found guilty of breaking a law she made.

    As at 14:07 she is still in her job – you couldn’t ask for a better example of Labour hypocrisy & inequality.

    I still find it staggering that according to opinion polls 26% of the population is so thick they would still vote for the rotten, putrid pile of excresence that is New Labour.

    Alex Bryce clearly hasn’t read Animal Farm.

  3. I thought it was a well balanced article. Thanks Alex.

  4. For all its corruption, incompetence, and love of the rich and powerful, there is no doubt that New Labour has legally emancipated lesbian and gay people in a way unimaginable a couple of decades ago.
    But the law and the State can’t change hearts and minds by themselves. We are all responsible for that, just as we always were; and still will be, whoever gets into power next year.

  5. “especially now we have legal equality”

    No we don’t have full equality; gay marriage is still illegal in Britain and Labour refuses to change that.

  6. “Vulpus_rex”
    “I still find it staggering that according to opinion polls 26% of the population is so thick they would still vote for the rotten, putrid pile of excresence that is New Labour.”

    I wouldnt call it being thick, id say you are ignorant!
    The facts:
    Labour will do more for gay people than any other party but at the cost of giving the country to Brussels and increasing taxes
    Conservatives will lower taxes and help the rich more than the poor, they will not pursue an equal society for gay and straight alike

    for the record im voting UKIP, but thats because i can live with high taxes for now, i just really hate the EU

    “Vulpus_rex” You would do well to not criticise people for not giving up on labour or not wanting the Tories in power

  7. A typical Labourite still blaming Mrs. Thatch for sins of an entire nation nearly thirty years ago. Go back to your VHS tapes of Ben Elton.

    And what’s more, gays today DO have it easier! (Note: I said easier, not Easy) – Nobody would ever say being gay was a walk in the park (unless it was 2am on Hampstead Heath) – but things like new legislation, civil partnerships, internet chat and a whole bunch of things have generally made life better for LGBT people. Even 20 years back it was hard to know many others if you lived outside a major city. It’s not a “pathetic cliché”, its the truth. This guy Bryce looks like he’s hardly out of shorts, so how the hell would he know?

    Oh dear, he thinks he saw a broken window in a gay bar. This harbinger of doom foretells of the entire collapse of society as we know it. We have corrupt politicians, soldiers being shot daily, a health system on its knees, a country awash with immigrants, and he is worried about a broke f_cking window.

    No wonder you didn’t get voted in.

  8. The Labour Party WERE head and shoulders above the Tories in terms of their stance on equality. Cameron has made it clear this is no longer the case and the party are behind him. Some members (like in the Labour and Lib Dems) will still be anti-gay or homophobic, but that happens in all walks of life and in all organisations. This year at conference the Tories have a sell out gay night with 500 people attending, they have Stonewall and Manchester Pride jointly supporting it and a host of shadow cabinet attending. Times have changed and the Tories were wrong and evil in the past with issues like Clause 28. The new Cnservative party embraces difference and has a raft of gay MPs, including shadow cabinet members, a number of prominent gay candidates and is at ease with itself on the issue to the point where it is not an issue at all.

  9. I left the UK in 1997 for a stint in the U.S. In 2006 I returned to take advantage of the Civil Partnership laws so that my 13 year bi-national relationship could finally exist without the threat of one of us being deported (as I was from the US). I will be eternally grateful to the Labour government for bringing this change in society. Show me one positive piece of legislation aimed at the GLBT community that the Conservatives have ever initiated? There is a world of difference between voting for and actively legislating. Section 28 anyone? Labour have moved our agenda for equality forward in tangible ways and I for one have no faith in the Tories doing the same. In fact, when I have reached out both in personal meetings and letters to my Tory MP he has refused to support recent Equality legislation around hate speech amongst other bills. I understand the anger at the current Government and will be voting Green or Lib Dem but we should as a community acknowledge the support Labour have given us over the years – my personal experience bears this out.

  10. Thanks Alex, a sensible article. You say that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, I say that people are condemned to repeat the same mistakes over and over. It’s very likely that a new era of Conservatism is coming to these shores. A lot of people vote by reaction, they don’t think constructively about where they want to get to, they just think of what they dislike about who’s in government and just want to vote them out vindictively. You can see from some of the comments here, and this is just from the gay community, some of those who really stand to lose from a conservative government. Imagine society at large…

  11. labour are better than the tories when it comes to lgbt issues (i wont believe the tories have changed until they prove it)

    but labour are still pretty damn far from giving us anything like equality.

  12. I still find it staggering that according to opinion polls 26% of the population is so thick they would still vote for the rotten, putrid pile of excresence that is New Labour.

    Well at least we know for sure that at least 26% of the population isn’t as stupid as Vulpus_rex.

  13. Robert, ex-pat Brit 22 Sep 2009, 7:38pm

    moamaom, you’re absolutely right and nothing will change when Cameron occupies Downing Street either while other countries progress to full marriage equality as seven have already done having abandoned other forms of unions and that will continue to grow, incrementally. Britain won’t be part of it unfortunately. Watch for Denmark, maybe Finland next.

  14. No matter what the Tories are doing in terms of turning up at gay pride or organising another opportunity for a piss up a conference, the real test for the Tories will be if they actually come up with any policies to increase equality. They’ve had years in which to come up with at least one policy and haven’t done a thing. And if past experience is anything to go by, in a Conservative parliament, we should expect to see an erosion of equality legislation. I’m no great fan of Labour and haven’t voted for them in the last couple of elections, but I have no doubt that all the Conservatives are offering at the moment is cheap gimgaws and baubles.

  15. What is the matter with all you people???

    Just because some people are anti-Labour does not necessarily mean they are pro-Tory. There are many other parties that have the capability of running the country AND supporting LGBT issues.

    On top of that, would you all like complete gay equality, whilst the country lay in financial ruin? Get your priorities right. We would all like to see gay issues addressed, but there are MANY more important matters that need to be sorted first. If the Tories, (or anyone else for that matter), could get this country back in shape, I’d vote for them. The fact that I can’t get married and have to make do with a civil partnership is frankly, sub-zero on my list.

    The only downer is that virtually all the main parties are pro-Europe, so that leaves either UKIP or BNP, and frankly, Nick Griffin just ain’t my type.

  16. “Well at least we know for sure that at least 26% of the population isn’t as stupid as Vulpus_rex.”

    Dumb, labotomised, unthinking, uncritical Labour voter – that’s Mark. Probably works in a public sector, quango type non-job, because frankly it can only be someone that dependent on the current shower of crud who could defend them.

    When you get a mind of your own then come back and tell me why could possibly vote for the corrupt stinking corpse of new labour.

  17. I am still going to vote for Labour – I don’t trust the Tories their betrayal record is too high.

  18. I am still going to vote for Labour – I don’t trust the Tories their betrayal record is too high. [2]
    UKIP and BNP are for the fascist anti-european self-hating queens.

  19. Regardless of political allegiances, I think its very important that the LGBT community doesn’t remain stuck in a complacent rut. Those who wish to erode our rights will keep on doing so. Without active opposition, never mind our rights moving forward, they’ll slip backward instead.

    Sadly, it usually takes a dire situation to galvanise people into action. I hope it doesn’t have to go that far for us to fight for your human rights.

  20. ”The fact that I can’t get married and have to make do with a civil partnership is frankly, sub-zero on my list.”

    How easily human rights get booted out the window when a recession hits, eh?

  21. ‘The new Cnservative party embraces difference and has a raft of gay MPs’ – Rob S

    Don’t be fooled by Cameron. Labour heroically got rid of Section 28 in 2003 – a move which made them hugely unpopular with the straight Sun-reading masses, but which they did anyway because they thought it was right. And what did Cameron do? He backed a Tory amendment which would have effectively maintained it. If Cameron’s supposedly pro-gay stance is a matter of conviction rather than image, where was it in 2003?

    As for gay Tory MPs – Alan Duncan didn’t come out till 2002 and it was a big deal. He said at the time that the Tory party wanted him to keep quiet about it, that senior members would ‘mutter behind their hands’ about it and that they were afraid to promote him. This was after a string of male Tory MPs being found in bed with young men and still not coming out! Not exactly an open, all-embracing party…

  22. Robert, ex-pat Brit 23 Sep 2009, 10:40am

    Darrien, expect NOTHING from them, but that’s not important to their gay apologists who support and vote for them. They’d continue voting for them even if Cameron refused to introduce more equality legislation. They’re wired that way unfortunately.

    George, I totally concur with your sentiment.

  23. Keeping an eye on our newly gained rights is surely prudent with the Tories get into the metaphorical bed with right wingers in Eastern Europe and expecting to become the next govt of the UK! I don’t care if Dave Boy Cameron and his Etonian front bench have apologised for section 28. I wouldn’t vote for them in a month of Sundays. Ok we had the Darling Mrs Curry who should never have been a Tory; she’s far too liberal and Gay Friendly, but she was one lone voice in the Tory Party when even their Gay boys kept quiet in case they got a smack off Maggie! Why not try voting Lib Dem for a change; at least we would get a good looking PM for once!

  24. The Orator 23 Sep 2009, 2:16pm

    Typical rant from someone seeing their party lose one of their former client voting groups, and getting in a panic because of it. It started off almost looking like it might be balanced, but really the inclusion of the last paragraph just wrecked the entire piece:

    Consider these remarks from Peter Tatchell, who rightly points out that equality should not be taken for granted: “In 1930, Berlin was the gay capital of the World. There were gay bars and clubs, publications and organisations and the future looked bright. Three years later the Nazis came to power and all that changed. Thousands were carted off to concentration camps where they died. We should never take our rights and freedoms for granted and to quote the old adage, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”

    Yep, that’s right. The Tories herald the dawn of the Fourth Reich!

    Hysterical, much?

  25. Paul Brownsey 23 Sep 2009, 3:03pm

    Even if Alex is right and the Tories wouldn’t repeal the legislation setting up civilpartnerships, it doesn’t follow that they wouldn’t undermine civil partnerships in other ways.

    My local Tory MP recently told me he backed tax cuts for married people but not for those in civil partnerships. When I drew his attention to David Cameron’s statement that any tax cuts for the married would be extended to those in civil partnerships he back-tracked. Nevertheless, this may indicate one way in which there would be Tory action against civil partnerships – not by direct repeal of the legislation but by repeatedly chipping away at the original legal parity (more or less) of marriage and civil partnership, to the detriment of the latter.

  26. just vote green or don’t vote at all. either way, shut up.

  27. Although people still have lots of issues, I DO think it’s fair to say that things are much easier these days. You can walk into a mixed gay bar whereas 25 years ago there were no straight men in gay bars. So you were effectively coming out by being seen there. Which was a very scary thing to do for the first time. One elderly gay friend of ours lost his home and many belongings when it was sold by social services after his partner of decades had a stroke and had to go into care. On one occasion I was told by my doctor to find another when I let slip that I was gay.

    In Manchester we had bible bashing, gay-hating Police Chief Constable James Anderton and in the mid-1980’s, with Margaret Thatcher in power and AIDS, I remember a point when I really did wonder which way things might go in the future.

    Of course that’s why so many of us (now in our 40’s Alex) took to the streets and protested so much in the 1980’s and I’d suggest that the rather pitiful turn out for any LGBT political protest these days is another sign that we’ve ‘never had it so good’!

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