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  1. A terrible case and I really have so much sympathy for the victim of the attack. However, the police can only try to find as much evidence as possible. Sadly, if the evidence isn’t enough for a reasonable chance of a successful prosecution, then I don’t know what more they can really do. I’d blame the prosecution service rather than the police. It sounds as though the police did everything they could in this case.

  2. Monkeychops 15 Sep 2009, 11:36am

    Awful case, but not due to gay-bashing cops. It seems, unfortunately, younger generations have fully absorbed victim-culture into their mindsets and scream homophobia at the police whenever they cannot secure a conviction. Obviously, it must be that the police are anti-gay, right? Well, no not necessarily. The police love nothing more than nailing someone, but I doubt very much there would have been a difference in outcome if the victim of the attack had been straight.

    If anything, what this guy has said will now probably draw resentment towards gay people because the wider public will just see yet another case of self-victimisation and of us wingeing for being so hard-done by.

  3. Monkeyshops – his attitude is understandable though
    if anyone is gonna be resentful then they’d most likely be bigots anyway

  4. Sorry, did I read that right in comment #2? ‘the public will see this as self victimisation’ after someone has been set upon and blinded?

    Just when we thought the sixth former Monkeychops could not come back with more inane gibberish, here he strikes again.

    On a more serious note, George sums it up pretty well. The homophobia lies in the judiciary, not the police in the UK.

  5. Tony Konrath 15 Sep 2009, 1:37pm

    It should be possible to bring a private prosecution in cases like this.

  6. 1 – A confession
    2 – Witness evidence
    3 – Severe physical injury

    No case to answer? What the hell were the Police and the CPS thinking of? Or maybe someone was nobbled?

  7. Actually for your information there is still homophobia within the police forces across the UK there were reports of this last year

    Infact how liberal the law is these days criminals of all sorts get away with almost a smack on the wrist

    Homophobia has not gone the wider public Homophobia is still quite widespread in british society

    Its at the CPS and in the courts and even the jury members at times

    I recall the case in liverpool last year where one 18 year old was beaten to death and still the courts and jury did very little infact they didn`t even class it as a homophobic murder when all the evedence said it was

    Homophobia or anti gay attitudes are still rife in britain there are thousands of gay kids in schools being tormented because they are gay yet the public turn a blind eye to it

    So don`t tell me britain has changed over 40 years the laws may have changed but that isn`t helping very much in cases like this is it

    ok the police may not have had enough proof as they claim but I am sure they could have still given this man a warning of some kind

    Gay people have very short memories these days they forget how the police use to use the gross indecency law and very much abuse it

    The claims of the past of plain clothed police officers setting gay men up in the 1980s and then charging them with gross indecency

    It didn`t happen though did it

    After hundreds of years of homophobia inbeded in society no wonder this thing still goes on

    I am straight myself and have more of a understanding by the looks of things than some gay people do on here

    I have gay family members who I have seen suffer at the hands of fellow family members with insults and being cast out like they are second class

    I blaim the mistakes of the past that have lead us to this problem today

    Its gonna take more than a few laws to combat the plauge of homophobia

  8. What kind of country is this?!
    Look at the related articles at the bottom:
    “Exclusive: Metropolitan police urges gays to report domestic violence”

    Why?!
    They don’t do anything about normal violence even when they get a confession

  9. Josh – am sorry to hear of your relatives’ experiences. However in the case you mentioned – Michael Causer’s – the police could not have been more supportive of the LGBT community; the CPS, and I suppose, this ludicrous trial by jury system let everybody down.

    The police have improved a lot in the last 20 years though – I dont doubt there are pockets of homophobia though….

  10. Eagle Ashcroft 15 Sep 2009, 8:42pm

    Why not start a gay revolution in Jolly Ole’ England to get their attention on the plight of the bigotry against gays? Burn their cities and destroy their shops as the blacks did here in America and their tune will soon change. In the Portland Oregon back in the seventies they had the Pink Panthers that escorted and protected gays and were trained in the martial arts. I once belonged to them when I lived there and some times we had to beat the tar out of a few “straights” that had attacked gays and after beating the crap out of them they made a wide berth in that section of town. Perhaps England could well have such groups of militant gays.

  11. Dr. Derek Northcote 15 Sep 2009, 11:09pm

    Dear Adrian T. Do no think for an instant that their are only pockets of said homophobic stuff.

    Perhaps in the place you stay it may be that way.

    I left Scotland in 1989 to remove myself from that rubbish, and only recently went back only to find the same old crap.

    Nothing has improved, it’s still the same old religious nonsense
    pounding crap into younger minds.

    Have a good look at Northern Ireland and the bigots that run it, via Democracy. Then say all is well and good.

    Only this week the Orange Order pounded through Carlisle, and nobody in the streets had a clue why.

    Except the councillor who permitted it.

    And allowed it to happen.

    Most people are to stupid to understand their own history.

  12. Stewart Cowan 16 Sep 2009, 3:51am

    Sorry to hear of the young man’s plight. I hear stories and read stories where the police know full well who committed a certain crime but make excuses for failing to act.

    Seems they’d rather sort out the owner of the old second-hand shop with the golliwog in the window.

    I don’t think it’s ‘homophobic’ police, in fact, I wrote about the attitude of one of our local stations the other day. Homophobic they are not.

  13. Eagle Ashcroft Id love to hear more about the pink panthers,
    can we discuss offlist somehow?

  14. Jean-Paul Bentham 18 Sep 2009, 2:42am

    Monkey (2):

    You said:

    ‘Awful case, but not due to gay-bashing cops.

    It seems, unfortunately, younger generations have fully absorbed victim-culture into their mindsets and scream homophobia at the police whenever they cannot secure a conviction.

    Obviously, it must be that the police are anti-gay, right?

    Well, no not necessarily. The police love nothing more than nailing someone, but I doubt very much there would have been a difference in outcome if the victim of the attack had been straight.

    If anything, what this guy has said will now probably draw resentment towards gay people because the wider public will just see yet another case of self-victimisation and of us wingeing for being so hard-done by.’

    Where do you get off speaking for the general public?

    What gives you the feeling that you are one of ‘us’?

    You have never been one of us, are not now one of us, and will never be one of us.

    Do you think that being an ex-gay grand-father makes you one of us?

    Give your head a shake, Marc Anthony.

    You are on your own.

    Amuse-toi bien, tête de cochon.

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