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Trans killer wins right to move to female prison

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  1. I have serious reservations about this case.

    yes her human rights are being violated by forcing her to remain in a male prison. But I’m not sure it’s appropriate to place her in a female prison after she has been convicted of attemptedly raping another woman.

    It would be totally inappropriate to jail a male attempted rapist in a female prison as there is the danger of sexual violence against the female prisoners to think about.

    What is being done to ensure the other female prisoners are not endangered by this transexual attempted rapist?

  2. Vince? I’m a trans woman but would share your reservations about this case. While A is pre-op, a transfer to a women’s prison does not seem appropriate, given the record of rape and violence.

  3. She will be moved from one segregation wing to another. They will not let a convicted rapist into the general population of the prison. Its no different to what happens to any woman or man convicted of rape of adults or children.

    What I hate about this story is its all about her being transsexual and not a rapist. We should have prisons where rapists are held away from everyone whatever gender they are.

    This prisoner is gaining treatment for free in prison other transsexuals need to pay for as its not covered by the NHS. Such as IPL laser hair removal at a cost of around 4K now that not fair.

  4. Well, if it was a gay rapist would you put him in a woman’s prison? Her gender is legally recognised. I think you make a weak argument vince.

  5. #3: Abi1975: “They will not let a convicted rapist into the general population of the prison.”

    But if she’s in a segregation wing and not allowed to mingle with other prisoners anyway then I don’t really see an issue about where she is jailed?

    She is of course entitled to her human rights. But her human rights do not take precedence over the human rights of the prisoners in the female prison not to be placed in the company of a sexual predator who targets women. This woman’s history of physical and sexual violence would make her a risk to the female population I think.

  6. Andromeda 4 Sep 2009, 6:27pm

    I still think the vital point is missed. She has a Gender Recognition Certificate. Which makes her in law a female. A legally recognised female. Now no matter how heinous the crime is, the perpetrator will go to their gender specific prison.
    Unless we want to go down the route “if it’s a manly type crime” goto male prison..or if its “female type crime” goto female prison, regardless of the criminals gender. I Have a GRC, and I want it to do what it says on the tin..A female for all purposes..but not for people to chose whether to ignore my legal gender just because they feel like it, or it doesn’t suit them.

  7. Simon Murphy 4 Sep 2009, 7:24pm

    Out of curiosity – when did this prisoner start transitioning I wonder? I assume that she was still legally a man when she killed her ex boyfriend and when she attempted to rape the shop assistant. Meaning that she was sentenced as a man and sent to the correct jail. Has she only started transitioning once in jail?
    She sounds like a violent, dangerous individual – convicted of manslaughter and attempted rape after all. I wouldn’t be too worried about her human rights seeing as she obviously has so little respect for the rights of others.

  8. Andromeda, yes I know, as a trans woman myself I know what you’re saying………..but she is pre-op, she has a record of violence, she is a convicted rapist. Are you saying it doesn’t matter that she could rape a natal woman while in jail? If she is to be kept segregated until after SRS, then all right but having a GRC doesn’t mean that as a pre-op trans woman she would not still be able to assault and rape. What’s on the tin is one thing but the safety of the other prisoners is just as important.

  9. It was stated in the judgement she will be held in segregation in a top category woman’s prison. I doubt being held alongside the likes of Rose West and other female murderers and child abusers. Prisoner ‘A’ will not have a easy time being different will make her a target.

  10. HE tried to rape a woman, HE doesn’t deserve special treatment.

  11. she is a woman.

    she is not getting special treatment. shes being treated like any other female rapist in the country. finally.

  12. Simon Murphy 5 Sep 2009, 2:23am

    I’ve never been in jail, but if the rumours are true then men’s prison is a lot worse than women’s prison.
    Is this convicted killer (manslaughterer, whatever?) looking for an easier time I wonder?

  13. Pumpkin Pie 5 Sep 2009, 3:42am

    Out of curiosity – when did this prisoner start transitioning I wonder? I assume that she was still legally a man when she killed her ex boyfriend and when she attempted to rape the shop assistant. Meaning that she was sentenced as a man and sent to the correct jail. Has she only started transitioning once in jail?

    It’s pretty irrelevant. Gender dysphoria is treated like sexuality: you can’t change it and you were born that way. Thus, like a gay person who used to think they were straight, the assumption is that a transwoman always was female underneath (and vice-versa for a transman), whether or not they realised it at a younger age. Therefore, she was not sent to the correct prison, but the judge (or whoever decides these things) is not a mind-reader, so it wasn’t exactly their fault, as they couldn’t have known.

    I’ve never been in jail, but if the rumours are true then men’s prison is a lot worse than women’s prison.
    Is this convicted killer (manslaughterer, whatever?) looking for an easier time I wonder?

    Only if she’s the sort of person who opens canned drinks with hand guns instead of the ringpull. It would be a pretty heavy-handed way of dealing with the situation, especially when getting sent to a psychiatric hospital would involve a whole lot less physical mutilation (which is what a sex change operation would be to someone doesn’t identify as the sex they’re transitioning to).

  14. Yuri Kawamoto 5 Sep 2009, 11:40am

    I think that this treatment for her is reasonable redarding European Human Rights Convent and “Yogyakarta Principles”, no matter how her crime is fatal. It is the crime to condamn, not a person. Yet in Canada, there is a serious violation of human rights of a transwoman in jail, and the situation in Japan is worse and desparative. I really hope that human rights and dignity of transwomen be protected all over the world! Japan, here is the HELL for transsexuals still now!

  15. This person attempted to rape a woman whilst already in transition, and still has the equipment to commit rape. The segregation will only be for a short while, and rapists do not need a lot of time to commit rape. I hope that this story does not result in a sad end for another female prisoner…

  16. theotherone 6 Sep 2009, 1:39pm

    and if a woman rapes another woman? Should they be sent to a Men’s Prison? They, after all, pose a serious threat to Women in the prison so where do we put them?

  17. I don’t think having a penis is a pre-requisite to commiting rape. There are women who rape men and their are also rapes done using objects, such as bottles, knives, guns, etc.

  18. This might be the single greatest thing I have ever heard. If David Lynch and Sophocles had a strapping love child, he couldn’t even dream up a more bizarre and tragic scenario. Fun stuff.

  19. A transsexual who tried to rape a woman in a terrifying attack just days after being released from a young offenders’ institution was today jailed for life.

    Karen Louise Lawson, 21, of no fixed abode, said she carried out the attack as a cry for help so that she could go back to prison and have the sex change operation she had needed all her life.

    She pleaded guilty to the attack, which she committed in a transsexuals’ shop called Transformations in Greater Manchester last year, but was jailed for life after a judge at Bolton Crown Court ruled that her second violent crime was not an exceptional case.

    Just five days before she carried out the attack, Lawson, who was referred to as a woman throughout today’s court hearing, had been freed on licence after serving half a five-year sentence for manslaughter in a male young offenders institution.

    In 2001 Lawson, then aged just 18 and appearing under her original name of Mark John Jones, had been sentenced after pleading guilty to strangling her former lover when he reneged on an agreement to pay for her sex change operation.

    But she received no help for her severe gender dysphoria during her spell in custody and lashed out on her release saying she was angry that her victim was a woman and she was not.

    Lawson had gone into Transformations in Prestwich, Greater Manchester and attacked a woman, making her fear for her life and trying to rape her.

    The attack only ended when Lawson failed to get an erection, the court heard.

    Lawson went on the run but handed herself into police in Bexleyheath, Kent, later that month.

    Sentencing her, Judge Derwent Hope said Lawson’s victim had later said in interview she thought she was going to die during the attack.

    He told Lawson: “Until you have full and proper treatment, I consider you to be potentially an extremely serious risk to any member of the public you associate with, a risk that could easily lead to that person’s death.”

    He then sentenced her to life in prison and ordered that her name be added to the sex offenders’ register for the rest of her life.

    He also said it was impossible for him to determine when Lawson would be suitable for parole and that decision will now be made by the Home Secretary.
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    A TEENAGE transsexual has been locked up for five years after a dramatic courtroom twist saw him admit killing his homosexual lover.

    A TEENAGE transsexual has been locked up for five years after a dramatic courtroom twist saw him admit killing his homosexual lover. Karen Lawson, 19, who changed his name by deed poll from Mark Lawson (pictured above), had denied murdering 43-year-old Hartlepool man Michael Cutler.

    But he confessed to police suffocating and strangling his partner after a bedroom row and an assault by the dead man, adding: “I didn’t mean to kill him.”

    A court heard Mr Cutler had agreed to fund expensive sex change treatment and the operation he had wanted for some years.
    The row was about Mr Cutler s withdrawal of support and cancellation of a direct debit plan to pay for it.

    Lawson’s decision to admit manslaughter on the grounds of provocation came before the end of the prosecution s case at Manchester Crown Court.

    It was accepted by the Crown and Lawson, formerly of The Front, Seaton Carew, was ordered to be detained for five years.
    He was told by Mr Justice Colman: This has been a deeply disturbing and distressing case for everyone concerned with it.
    You attacked your partner after his words and conduct caused you to lose your self-control when suffering from Gender Identity Disorder.

    The most important thing in your life then was a sex change operation and what he said and did saw you completely lose control.

    Lawson was arrested in Hartlepool three days after Mr Cutler s decomposed body was found in a utility room at their flat at Beechcroft, Prestwich, Greater Manchester last April.

    He had been dead about three weeks. Lawson told police how he suffocated and strangled his partner after a row when he “snapped.

    Mr Cutler assaulted him and had also cancelled direct debit payments for the treatment they had arranged at a clinic in Prestwich.

    Prosecutor, John Rowe QC, said the killing was on the night of March 20 or 21. A few days later Lawson returned to his native North-East.

    Arrested in Hartlepool on April 9, Lawson denied involvement, but later confessed saying he had been provoked by his partner s behaviour.

    Lawson said he suddenly snapped in the bedroom row when Mr Cutler struck him and said the operation would ruin their relationship.
    He used a pillow to try to suffocate him before strangling Michael with a pair of ladies tights.

    Mr Rowe said Lawson claimed the row brought back unhappy memories of ill treatment by his stepfather when he was earlier considering a sex change and had obtained women’s clothing.

    Earlier counsel said the two men met in the North-East. Mr Cutler was homosexual and lived for many years in Turnbull Street, Hartlepool. He had introduced Lawson to friends as his new partner late in 1999 and the men moved to Manchester after a visit to the Albany Clinic, Prestwich.

    Lawson, of Stainton Grove, Barnard Castle, County Durham, saw a doctor and was seeking full gender reassignment and sex reassignment surgery.

    Treatment was arranged at a cost of £200 a month for a year. No payments were made.

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    The question should be asked if prisoner ‘A’ should of been released so early after committing manslaughter. Sod all the gender arguments that just hiding the poor sentencing and the decision to release her after her first offence.

  20. “lashed out on her release saying she was angry that her victim was a woman and she was not.”

    I realise her human rights are being violated. But seriously – she is violent, dangerous scum with zero regard or respect for anyone else’s human rights. She has stated clearly that she tried to rape her victim simply for heing a woman.

    That enough indicates that she is a woman-hater and should not be housed with other women – regardless of her gender identity.

  21. 1) I’m in the US and don’t know anything about UK laws, but, I thought you had to go through extensive psychological evaluations before you could be considered for sexual reassignment surgery. There’s no way in hell she would have passed a thorough psych eval.

    2) She’s designated as a legal female even before she’s completed her reassignment? That just seems ludicrous to me.

    3) If UK prisons are anything like US prisons, she would not survive very long in general population in a female prison, let alone a male one. I think she clearly has mental issues and probably should be in a psychological institution. It’s just sad all the way ’round, especially for her victims.

  22. Pumpkin Pie 7 Sep 2009, 2:38pm

    The question should be asked if prisoner ‘A’ should of been released so early after committing manslaughter. Sod all the gender arguments that just hiding the poor sentencing and the decision to release her after her first offence.

    The other question your news excerpts bring up is the shocking lack of adequate treatment. Gender dysphoria is a serious psychological condition. Where the hell was her support? If gender reassignment was treated as the necessary procedure it is, there would have been no manslaughter here. Failing that, if they’d given her proper treatment after discovering just how serious an issue it is for her, there would have been no attempted rape.

    Even if you’re the type who thinks “crimmos” shouldn’t get their human rights, the government treats innocent people like this, too, and it’s got to stop.

    1) I’m in the US and don’t know anything about UK laws, but, I thought you had to go through extensive psychological evaluations before you could be considered for sexual reassignment surgery. There’s no way in hell she would have passed a thorough psych eval.

    You can have serious psychological trauma and still qualify for sex reassignment. All that really matters is that you suffer from gender dysphoria. Seeing as how this woman’s other psychological problems seem to have been because of her gender dysphoria, I’d say that’s a pretty good indication that she really needs sex reassignment.

    2) She’s designated as a legal female even before she’s completed her reassignment? That just seems ludicrous to me.

    Gender is something you are born with, not something you earn. Not everyone is physically or mentally able or willing to go through with sex reassignment surgery. Some have medical conditions, many don’t have the necessary access to funds or assistance, and a few don’t want their bodies modified (what’s under their clothes is their business, surgery is risky and imperfect, so if they’ve learned to deal with their bodies, then more power to them). Trans people should have their correct gender legally acknowledged upon passing evaluation for sex reassignment – whether or not they actually want to, or can, go through with it. End of story.

    3) If UK prisons are anything like US prisons, she would not survive very long in general population in a female prison, let alone a male one. I think she clearly has mental issues and probably should be in a psychological institution. It’s just sad all the way ’round, especially for her victims.

    Agreed. They exacerbated her mental condition and then let her back out. They helped create the monster and they should damn well do something about now, instead of just making the situation even worse. Refusing to treat people with psychological problems is pretty much torture.

  23. theotherone 7 Sep 2009, 6:29pm

    ‘That enough indicates that she is a woman-hater and should not be housed with other women – regardless of her gender identity.’

    so vbince if a woman raped a woman then they should go to a male prison?

  24. seems like perfect logic to me. i want to be a woman, so I rape one????

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