Hard cases make bad laws: some few people have had a bad reaction or even death, but they are “outliers” the extreme reaction.
If the govt really cared about health they’d ban tobacco and alcohol.
A few people have had bad reactions? Who are you kidding? I don’t know a single GHB / GBL user who hasn’t had some sort of bad reaction. Sure, the deaths may be unusual; but bad reactions are far from being a rare extreme reaction. To suggest otherwise is just banal.
Is it really dangerous or not? The medical experts tell us it’s more dangerous than Ectasy – a class A – drug. If they believe that to be the case they why are they not recommending an immediate classification, higher than C?
Is this just a vote-winner aimed at Outraged of Tunbridge Wells?
I stand corrected Mark, but should the govt be legislating where education would give people a choice?
The idea of outlawing legal highs because it’s “bad for us” is rediculous. Spice is “more dangerous than cannabis”? A few at my local carries is more dangerous than cannabis. This sensationalism around drugs only fools the elderly and possibly middle aged at best. Young people will only hold this in contempt, especially when it comes to the polls in 2010.
Great news! History has shown time and again how effective Prohibition is at controlling recreational substances, and making sure profits from their sale go where they are most appreciated. If only they’d do the same for alcohol & tobacco….
Oh for heavens sake. Since time began people have been using mind altering substances. Banning a drug does not stop it being used. It never has. It never will.
It simply criminalises a lot of people for no good reason. Personally I am in favour of the decriminalisation of possession for personal use of all substances.
I agree that banning GBL won’t stop people using it, but why anyone would want to take it in the first place is beyond me. Idiots.
So what about alcohol it causes thousands of deaths a year? the statistics say The alcohol-related death rate was 13.3 per 100,000 population in 2007, compared with 6.9 per 100,000 population in 1991. In 2007/08 there were 863,300 alcohol related admissions to hospital. This is an increase of 69 per cent since 2002/03 when there were 510,200 alcohol related admissions. It is estimated that the cost of alcohol related harm to the NHS in England is £2.7 billion in 2006/07.
GBL party drug class ‘C’ What a joke! What an empty gesture!
Just out of interest, what about GBL’s non-recreational uses, removing spray paint and such? Will it be banned for that too?
Richard: “I agree that banning GBL won’t stop people using it, but why anyone would want to take it in the first place is beyond me. Idiots.”
Because of that very statement; They are idiots, so QED, if they are too stupid to make decisions about what they stick up their noses, the government thinks it should do it for them.
Personally, I’d allow people to take whatever they want, then hopefully all these junkies kill themselves of their own volition. Why should we bother to rehabilitate these f_ckwits when they will be back on the streets in six months? It’s nature’s way of balancing out the wheat from the chaff.
The government are banning it because they can’t make money from it. Simples
It’s great to be young, to dance and be happy with music pulsing through your veins. Drugs may seem to enhance the experience, but what a price to pay. Beautiful young people on marble slabs.
Put yourself in the place of a mother, a father, a brother or sister.
I would even go so far as to agree with Mihangel ap Yrs (1, 4).
It’s so much more complicated being young today than at any other time in history.
I think there are a few people misunderstanding the effects of GBL here. GBL is the one that al those people lying unconscious in the clubs and saunas have taken.
There are quite a lot of bad side effects which to be fair are NOT uncommon – bad reactions including nausea, headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, vomiting, amnesia, loss of muscle controls, loss of consciousness, respiratory distress, being conscious but unable to move and death.
When combined with alcohol or drugs these reactions become increasingly more potent.
One of the problems with GBL is that it is indistinguishable from GBH, however it is more potent normally and faster acting, so you don’t know until it kicks in what you have just drunk.
It also forms an active ingredient in paint stripper and super glue remover. It is also addictive.
I’ve lifted some guidance on getting off the stuff:
“Treatment of the GHB withdrawal syndrome is not yet clearly defined. Treatment may involve use of benzodiazepines, antipsychotic medications, or phenobarbital. It should be noted that although tapering GHB doses prior to detoxification may help reduce the severity of the withdrawal, attempts of some addicts to self-detoxify, without medical assistance, have been fatal, as the withdrawal syndrome may be severe and unpredictable. Further, as most addicts are unable to tolerate the ongoing symptoms of withdrawal, this method is frequently unsuccessful as well as dangerous.”
For anyone knocking around in Vauxhall at the moment, you might be aware that there a bit of a thing going on with people getting offered a bit of G, being given a sufficiently large does to make them pass out, at which point they get robbed.
@Sister Mary Clarence – I am so pleased that you posted that information. Education is far better than legislation. I don’t see the point of taking social drugs. If some gays are not happy or comfortable with their sexuality and have to use unihibitors to have a good time then they really need to sit down and come to terms with their existence and way of life. Self destructive drugs do not help anyone except the mafia who are also trying to destroy us by pushing this sh*t. You don’t need drugs, guys, to have a good time.
The actor River Phoenex, died of drugs. I was’nt too sure of the circumstances but a TV prog. I watched told the full story. As well as Night Club booze, River took two particular drugs. One drug gave him ‘High’ the other gave him ‘Low’ The drugs worked in oppersition to each other that River Phoenex’s brain become confused and so it told his heart to stop beating.
Brian: That also applies to another very common drug: Vodka and Red Bull. You will note that Red Bull NEVER promote their product as a mixer. The reason is alcohol is a depressant, and Red Bull is a stimulant. Mix the two and you have that push/pull effect that can really send people off the rails. That’s why many countries including Canada and Denmark have totally banned it’s sale.
The trouble is, at £1 a piddly can, they make fortunes, so have a very persuasive attitude with those trying to stop it.
Thank you for the info. on Red Bull, I have seen the name but never enquired about it. I did hear that school kids like Red Bull in my area but never put two and two together.
Brian: Red Bull isn’t bad, per se. Just it’s combination with alcohol. I doubt, (and hope to God), the schoolkids aren’t drinking it with vodka.
The ban’s going to create a huge black market for it and the hoarding is going to start soon. http://www.newsy.com/videos/britain_bans_legal_highs. I agree that education will trump governance in solving the problem. Hasn’t history proven that?