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  1. stable door and horse come to mind -I guess it better than nothing at the end of the day but this meeting should have been held a lot sooner if you wish to gain the confidence of the gay community.


  2. Brian Burton 4 Aug 2009, 6:15pm

    This is nothing new, this type of Homophobic harrisment outside Pubs in different areas. Groups of Homophobe Idiots usually know the Gay venues and so Target them.

  3. I’ve seen people being harassed outside the Joiners Arms. The problem is with Asian youths who don’t want us in ‘their’ area. To be honest I don’t think the police take this seriously, despite what they say. Hope I’m wrong though.

  4. Sister Mary Clarence 4 Aug 2009, 6:49pm

    This has been going on for f*cking ages and there have been a horric number of attacks, some of which have left horrendous injuries.

    This is piss poor response and the police and local authority should be ashamed of themselves.

    Never mind about the ones that haven’t been reported, what the f*ck have they done about the ones that were? Perhaps if they were a little bit more proactive in actually prosecuting the sick little shits involved, more people would feel there was some point in reporting the attacked.

    Apologies for the sqwearing but it really is a f*cking disgrace.

  5. When you do report to the police they try every tactic so its not reported as homo/transphobic. The lack of reports is probably down to its own officers.

    The best way to report things is to report directly to the LGBT lesion officer.

  6. Once bitten, twice shy!

    I’ve lobbied the ACPO and the IPCC over this issue and they continue to refuse to change their homophobic procedures.

    If you call the Police, you would expect a Hate crime (fully trained Diversity) Officer would investigate your incident, but this is not the case. Basically they send the next officer waiting in a queue of officers for the next investigation and it’s luck whether you get a trained up Hate crime Officer. More often as not you’ll get an homophobicly untrained officer to investigate your incident.

    We will just have to wait until the New Equality Bill becomes Law which will force them (kicking and screaming) to change their procedures!

  7. Simon Murphy 4 Aug 2009, 7:27pm

    Do these bars have private security ie bouncers? I’m not a fan of bouncers in general but in this instance they could be useful. The police cannot be at the bars all the time to monitor harassment of the punters. A bouncer may help.

  8. Simon: They are both small, provincial little bars, not West End places packed to the ceiling. Bouncers cost money, places like this cannot afford that sort of luxury. What it needs is some publicly funded security like regular police patrols and some CCTV mounted outside the venues.

  9. If no one reports on these crimes, how can we protect ourselves? These hoodlums attack us, and since there is no retribution, they feel like they could do it again.

  10. @ Simon and RobN
    Yes, they do have bouncers and no they aren’t small, provincial bars. They are fairly key venues on the London gay scene. Long gone are the days when the London gay scene was just all about Soho.

    I do agree that CCTV and police patrols are needed.

  11. Tony: The London gay scene used to be over 120 venues in the late 80’s. You are lucky if it’s 50 now and most are in the centre. Dave Pollard’s been running the Joiners for donkeys and it was always a regular crowd. Maybe things have changed, but the gay scene seems to have fragmented and shriveled. I have three locals all gone in the last three years.

  12. Sorry if it’s the elephant in the room most don’t want to talk about, but the youths responsible for most (if not all) of the attacks in this area have been asian.

    The police need to work with muslim/asian community leaders in this area to help stop these attacks.

    A friend who visited one of the pubs mentioned in the article, was told by one of a gang (amongst other abuse) “gays are killed in Islam”.

    Of course, all muslims aren’t homophobic and all homophobes aren’t muslim, but in these particular attacks in this particular area, there’s definitely a connection, and if we are going to deal with it and aim for all communities to live together in peace then it needs to be tackled head-on and a message sent that this cannot and will not be tolerated.

  13. its still sad to see that in this day and age that the POlice still treat us unfairly. I never report anything now as it is a waste of time. They always treat gay issues as if we are a load of drama queens, and what happens , its always too late, and some gay person gets abused or worse hurt. Yet go to any crusing area and hey presto four patrol cars running aorund taking numbers plates.

  14. Simon Murphy 5 Aug 2009, 10:39am

    Well I hope every gay person has taken self defence classes. While it is appalling that homophobic harassment or assault occurs and it is sad that the police don’t take it seriously enough it is also a major disincentive for a homophobic person to attack a gay person who will injure them in response.

  15. Dennis Hambridge 5 Aug 2009, 12:06pm

    It is interesting to note that only Gay and Lesbians are urged to report Homophobic attacks etc, What about the Trans community, This in its self shows why the Met Police are are Transphobic institution

  16. This is undoubtably attacks on gays by muslim, bengali gangs. I don’t why anyone is suggesting otherwise, and it’s certainly not racist to point this out.

  17. Pumpkin Pie 5 Aug 2009, 2:22pm

    In regards to the 21-year-old student who was left paralysed, only one of the five youths who attacked him (a 16-year-old with an IQ of 56) was ever sentenced. Sentenced to what, I don’t know, but it wouldn’t make this little episode any less a travesty of justice.

  18. Sister Mary Clarence 6 Aug 2009, 9:45am

    The mechanisms and procedures are in place for the police to take this seriously and I struggle to understand why they don’t. I reported an incident, which ultimately led to prosecution a few years ago and the police and the local authority dealt with it faultlessly.

    Afterwards I wrote to thank the section commander for the excellent job his officers had done and a few weeks later a got a phone call from the sergeant in charge of the case who thanked me for the letter, explaining that a copy would go on file for each of the officers involved and they would get ‘brownie points’ when they applied for promotion.

    There is clearly an ingoing long-term problem with these attacks, largely (if not exclusively) carried out by young Asian lads and the local police are not being tasked to address it, or it is not sufficiently up the priority list to warrant the resources it needs.

    Local policing has been championed under the Labour government in the form of Safer Neighbourhoods Teams (SNT), and it would be interesting to see the discussions that are taking place at the local Safer Neighbourhood Team Ward Panel meetings on this issue. Each 4-6 weeks the panel (for the large part made up of local people) should be selecting priorities for the SNT in the area to address with feedback at the following meeting. Should the problem escalate beyond the capabilities of the SNT they then can link in with other teams (Robbery Squad if appropriate for example).

    The problem with devolving power to local communities it that they is a potential for the process to be easily corrupted. If for example those around the table do not have a great deal of time for the gay community perhaps, then tasking to deal with this type of issue may not take lace in favour of other local issues in the area. There should be checks and measures in places, statistical information on local crime, attendance by others such as ward councillors that should help reduce the potential for issues to be overlooked but local people really need to be asking what is going on at those meetings and why dealing with these incidents is not being resourced effectively.

    Local gay people and the owners of local gay businesses need to get themselves along to the SNP Ward Panel meetings and push for stronger action on this, and hear how the current inaction is being justified. If the Ward Panel is not functioning as it should (as I can only conclude is the case) they need to make complaints to the panel itself and higher. Local councillors are not taking this up quite clearly, and if they are not at the meetings they need to be, if they are and they are choosing to turn a blind eye to it, then they need to be taken to task about it.

    Locally for one reason or another those in authority may be able to brush this under the carpet and offer excuses for what they are, or are not doing, but once the complaints start to build up and overspill out of the local area it is far harder to stifle.

    Part of the problem may be that those being attacked are not always actually from the local area, but it is the local gay community that really need to start pushing this, using, and if necessary abusing, the system to their best advantage

  19. Excellent post, Mary. Hear hear.

  20. Sister Mary Clarence 6 Aug 2009, 3:49pm

    Cheer mate

  21. I have forwarded this article to many on my email distribution list and I hope that there will be many attending tonight to show our depth of feeling and concern.

  22. RJ, can you let us know how the meeting went?

  23. Sister Mary Clarence 7 Aug 2009, 10:05am

    Yep – I’d be very interested to hear what was said (the excuses in particular)

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