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Gay Sherlock Holmes ‘will turn audiences off’

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  1. Mihangel apYrs 4 Aug 2009, 1:25pm

    who cares a toss about what “former New York Post film critic Michael Medved … who is a self-proclaimed conservative” has to say? He’s trying to sabotage something without even seeing it – a typical censor’s move!

    The whole point about theatre (and cinema) is that yoiu explore the boundaries and possibilities. Otherwise why have women playing traditionally male roles, and black people playing “out of colour”, etc, etc?

  2. When Shakespeare’s plays started out, all the female roles were taken by male actors! Wonder how Micheael Medved would’ve responded to that!

  3. Will the Scouser 4 Aug 2009, 1:38pm

    As a lifelong fan of Sherlock Holmes, I say: don’t tinker with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s characters, but leave them well alone.

    “But he had not that supreme gift of the artist, the knowledge of when to stop. He wished to improve that which was already perfect.” – SIR ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE, The Norwood Builder

  4. Brian Burton 4 Aug 2009, 1:48pm

    Gay Sherlock is a good new angle on otherwise the Love-less Life of Sherlock Holmes. All critics shold be sent packing!

  5. Simon Murphy 4 Aug 2009, 2:07pm

    Michael Medved – conservative radio host? Boringly predictable response from him then

  6. Whatever next will Hollywood do to our celebrated literary heros? Miss Marple and the St Mary Mead WI in a Lesbian Orgy?!!!!!!Jeeves and Berti in a compromising position over the cucumber sandwiches???? Dear me!! ;-)

  7. Pumpkin Pie 4 Aug 2009, 2:22pm

    There’s not a seething, bubbling hunger to see straight stars impersonating homosexuals.

    Oh? And how many gay actors have been made to impersonate heterosexuals? Was there a seething, bubbling hunger to see that, then?

    Who is going to want to see Downey Jr and Law make out?

    Guess. :D

  8. So Sherlock being gay is a turn off, yet his opium abuse is not!!!!

    Personally I think a camp Sherlock would work a lot better than smoking opium.

  9. Vincent Poffley 4 Aug 2009, 3:01pm

    Why do conservative critics insist on perpetuating this ridiculous idea that straight people cannot relate to gay characters? Or that men cannot relate to female characters? Or that white people cannot relate to black characters? Why does everyone else put up with it? I find that kind of assumption deeply patronising. I am a gay white male, yet I often find myself relating to straight, female and non-white characters in film, tv, books, games and so forth. In fact well over 90% of all characters in fiction are straight – does this faze me? Of course not.

    The only reason this attitude exists is because people like Medved perpetuate it. Tell young people that they cannot relate to others who are not like them enough times and they will begin to believe it. This is the root of all bigotry, racism and oppression, and it has no place in a modern, civilized society.

  10. What Vincent said. Exactly.

    Plus, I (a straight, married woman) would TOTALLY pay to see Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law making out O_O

  11. The C*nt of Monte Crisco 4 Aug 2009, 4:14pm

    Same here Ally, and I’m a lezzer!

  12. Vincent, you said, “Why do conservative critics insist on perpetuating this ridiculous idea that straight people cannot relate to gay characters?”

    Because it’s true. Men prefer Rambo-like actors, rather than
    girly-men actors in most of our movies. That’s not to say we
    don’t like men showing compassion and sentiment when the story calls for it, but don’t give us a gay Sherlock! You people are 3% of the population but your agenda is to promote yourselves as 33% of the crowd.

    Won’t work!

    1. You are a complete arsehole and you insult the majority of straight men! Good grief, how old are you?

  13. Vincent Poffley 4 Aug 2009, 7:02pm

    Hank said: “Because it’s true. Men prefer Rambo-like actors, rather than
    girly-men actors in most of our movies.”

    Stop making ridiculous and unsubstantiated generalisations based on no evidence whatsoever. This comment is incredibly offensive in many ways. First of all the tastes of men are varied and diverse – to lump half the world’s population together and say they all like one thing is just stupid. I am a man, and I most certainly do not prefer rambo-like actors. In fact I think Sylvester Stallone is rubbish. Give me Rimbaud to Rambo any day. There are large numbers of men who agree with me too, both straight and gay.

    Second, the implicit assumption that those who exhibit characteristics traditionally considered masculine are the preserve of “straight culture”, while “girly-men”, as you so narrow-mindedly put it, are a gay thing is entirely untrue and horribly bigoted. Many gay men are incredibly masculine in the traditional understanding of the term, while many straight men are just as “girly” as the gay ones if not more so. Moreover, the very idea that masculinity and femininity are fixed concepts, strictly segregated and incompatible, is silly and untrue. That is the very simplistic conception of patriarchal past societies, and an entirely unwelcome piece of thinking in modern, diverse, civilized cultures.

    Thirdly, Sherlock Holmes, and indeed all great literary creations who have become a part of our culture, are not the property of any one sub-group. Sherlock Holmes is just as much the cultural property of gay people as he is of straight ones – why should gay people be denied the opportunity to see a portrayal of him more in line with our experiences? Why should society at large be denied this? And why should this make him any the less palatable to straight people in the audience? Nobody watching Sherlock Holmes is an aristocratic private detective from Victorian London, but those things don’t stop people relating to him. Why should his sexuality (always highly ambiguous in the original stories) be any different?

    Fourthly, the percentage of the human population which is gay, female, black, disabled or whatever is not the issue. It is not the role of our cultural products to slavishly represent the status quo as is – there are far more interesting things one can do with films and TV programmes and stories. One of those things is to challenge the kind of shallow, chauvinistic prejudice you have exhibited here, and I can think of few better ways of doing that than with sensitive, heroic, positive and non-stereotypical presentations of gay characters.

    Because, ultimately, one’s gender, race, sexual orientation, disability status and so forth does NOT determine one’s cultural preferences. Simply being a straight male does NOT mean you have to like stereotypically laddish stuff. What does influence one’s preferences is the culture one grows up in, and in a culture where the lie is bandied about that a particular group MUST like a particular thing, diversity is stifled, art is muzzled and creativity sputters and dies. TV programmes with innovative and unusual themes are not commissioned or financed because the staid, unimaginative holders of the purse strings do not think they will be popular, and since they are never made they will never get out there and become popular. Thus the cycle is perpetuated. This is not just bad news for art, it is bad news for culture and society, because art is one of the most powerful forces we have for changing culture and society.

  14. I have been a fan of the Sherlock Holmes stories since I first discovered them at the age of eight. I collected and devoured the books. Then I found the films (Basil Rathbone! and others) and didn’t understand why the characters in the films (Holmes & Watson) weren’t quite like the ones I read about in the books.

    You see… Even though I never spoke of it to anyone, I always found their relationship to be a love affair; unacknowledged and sadly unspoken. (Even the landlady occasionally made comments regarding their friendship.) But this perspective, as in Doyle’s time, has continued to be glossed over or cut completely. I, for one, am truly excited to see at least a hint of a “relationship” between them in this new film.

    As an aside: Holmes addictions were most likely the result of never being able to express his feelings for his “best friend” and flat mate.

  15. As someone who generally found Sherlock Holmes to be about as gripping as watching a girder rust, I have no interest in the stories, so could someone tell me whether in the books, Holmes ever did have a fling with anyone, (male or female?) or was he just happy fiddling with his pipe and magnifying glass?

  16. Daniel Loftin 4 Aug 2009, 8:27pm

    OMG! I would pay good money to see Jude Law and Robert Downey, Jr. make out. Who cares what Medved or whoever-he-is thinks…

  17. “There’s not a seething, bubbling hunger to see straight stars impersonating homosexuals”

    Ha ha ha! Robert Downy Jr straight?! That’s hilarious!

    I say, why not- the homoerotic undertone is there in the books so why not hint at it in a film too. Every new adaptation has to be interpreted for a modern audience and we are less innocent about these undertones now.

  18. Liquoriceallsort 4 Aug 2009, 8:47pm

    Trust me, there’s a whole load of gay porn fan fic on the internet written by women, and a fair old bit is about Holmes hammering Watson. At least 55% of the population will be queueing to see this movie. (Captain Kirk does Spock is also popular.)

  19. Will the Scouser 4 Aug 2009, 8:52pm

    The only opinion about homosexuality that I know Sir Arthur Conan Doyle to have expressed was in the case of Sir Roger Casement. He regarded Casement’s homosexual flings as evidence that his sanity was impaired. That might have been regarded as a progressive view then, but it certainly isn’t now, thank God. It is therefore improbable in the extreme that he intended the friendship between Holmes and Watson to be understood as a gay relationship.

    But Sir Arthur was an intelligent and humane man, and I’m sure that if he were alive today he would be on the side of the angels.

    I think that a much better case could be made for regarding W.E. Johns’s Biggles and his colleagues as a little gay clique. In fact, I remember taking comfort during my teenage years in the thought that, since Biggles and his gang didn’t seem to have any need for girlfriends, they must have been like me.

  20. “Men prefer Rambo-like actors”

    Men like you, you mean? Like butch men, do you, you old queer Hank?

    1. “Rambo-like actors” was such an 80s thing

  21. “3% of the population”

    3%? Where on earth did you get such silly numbers. Even the British Governments last study put this at least 6%. Can’t you count? Are you retarded?

  22. Sean: “Can’t you count? Are you retarded?”
    Will the Scouser “Evidence that his sanity was impaired.”

    I love the prose.

    “It seems to suggest the man has not retained his full compliment of glass spherical objects.”

  23. I always thought from the books that they where gay, and the movies where putting a ‘straight twist’ on it. Guy Ritchie’s just *un*twisting it.

  24. Sean, you said, ” 3%? Where on earth did you get such silly numbers. Even the British Governments last study put this at least 6%. Can’t you count? Are you retarded?

    (NO, I’m not retarded, I’m heterosexual, thank you.)

  25. God, I wouldn’t mind some sweaty grappling with Jude Law. As for the percentages, I would say around 6-10% sounds about right, but given the amount of ‘straight’ married men I’ve met looking for sex, it could be double or triple that :0)

  26. Pumpkin Pie 5 Aug 2009, 12:51am

    As someone who generally found Sherlock Holmes to be about as gripping as watching a girder rust, I have no interest in the stories, so could someone tell me whether in the books, Holmes ever did have a fling with anyone, (male or female?) or was he just happy fiddling with his pipe and magnifying glass?

    As far as I’m aware, Holmes was pretty much asexual. He had a cold and calculating mind, almost machine-like, and thus never had much interest in romantic relationships. Watson, on the other hand, was apparently a bit of a playboy with the ladies.

    I might be mistaken, as I’ve never read any of the books, I just remember reading that a while ago when I was looking up the history of the series.

  27. Hey Sean, when you say, “”Men prefer Rambo-like actors “Men like you, you mean? Like butch men, do you, you old queer Hank?

    Oh Yeah… and I love women who can hold their own with a strong man, and aren’t afraid to kick a girly-man in his ass.
    Anything wrong with that?

  28. Vincent, part of your comment was, ” One of those things is to challenge the kind of shallow, chauvinistic prejudice you have exhibited here, and I can think of few better ways of doing that than with sensitive, heroic, positive and non-stereotypical presentations of gay characters.”

    No, I believe that your reasoning is driven by sexual desires
    rather than theatrical fulfillment of a story

  29. Vincent Poffley 5 Aug 2009, 3:48am

    Erm, first of all the sentence of mine that you quoted has nothing to do with your comment below it. My suggestion was about combating prejudice through having more visible, positive, varied and interesting characters in cultural media – specifically, in this case, gay characters. As far as I can see neither sexual desire nor the concerns of dramaturgy come into that sentiment.

    But as far as your comment goes, it is dead wrong. I do not watch television programmes or films or read books for sexual gratification. Few do. There is plenty of pornography out there for this purpose. I think it is important to have more gay stories in mainstream cultural media because it helps to show how normal and unremarkable being gay is, as well as increasing the diversity of stories that are told in general. This particular story is a case in point – by exploring the characters of Holmes and Watson from a new angle their relationship is redefined and their lives are made fresh and interesting. It is certainly a much more original and unusual idea than just making another dull, run-of-the-mill Sherlock Holmes movie that presents the characters in the same way they always have been.

    What do you find so hard about relating to fictional characters who do not share certain aspects of your life? Why is sexual orientation something you are simply unable to look past? Presumably you find yourself able to relate to female characters? or characters from different countries? or characters who do not share your profession or taste in clothes or skin and hair colour? You say you like Rambo, but I very much doubt you are a half-Navajo, half-German ex-special forces Vietnam veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder. Why are you fine relating to someone who is all of these things but not to someone who is gay? What about a film featuring a gay ex-special forces vietnam veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder? Would you be okay with that, or does the fact he likes men instantly invalidate any appreciation you might otherwise have for him?

  30. Who is Michael Medved to set himself up as a world authority on gays and the movie industry. He is one film critic who has a certain idea and that is all. To be ignored.

  31. Brian Burton 5 Aug 2009, 8:30am

    Any way you lot of moaning minis, The Movie moguls are going to make a Gay version of Sherlock Holmes and afterwards, you can have a good moaning time during your criticle observations.

  32. The Hank monster wrote: “Oh Yeah… and I love women who can hold their own with a strong man, and aren’t afraid to kick a girly-man in his ass. Anything wrong with that?”

    You sure as hell betcha there’s somethin wrong with that, Hanko man – ’cause what you’re sayin is that all girly-guys need to be kicked up the ass, see. And that ain’t playin the game equal, OK? You got that? You single-celled one-eyed little monster?

    John Wayne would have shot you to pieces, boy!

  33. Just for your knowledge – Michael Medved is a fundamentalist Christian crusader who is generally only appreciated by the Bible Belt of America. Here is one of his quotes:

    “Why is the critical fraternity so liberal now? It didn’t use to be. There used to be very conservative critics and they put out reviews from a specifically moralistic point of view. What’s amazing to me was how that entire voice representing that third of America who consider themselves conservative is basically not represented other than by myself in the film-commentary business.”

    So is there really any need to even mention his opinions? I think not. It would correspond to asking Amy Winehouse her opinion on the latest changes in the Family Law :))

  34. Well Hello-o Hank!

    Here’s a few things you should avoid doing when looking for your next job:

    A survey of top personnel executives of 100 major American corporations asking for stories of unusual behavior by job applicants revealed the following low-lights:

    1. ”… stretched out on the floor to fill out the job application.”

    2. ”She wore a Walkman and said she could listen to me and the music at the same time.”

    3. ”A balding candidate abruptly excused himself. Returned to office a few minutes later, wearing a hairpiece.”

    4. ”… asked to see interviewer’s resume to see if the personnel executive was qualified to judge the candidate.”

    5. ”… announced she hadn’t had lunch and proceeded to eat a hamburger and french fries in the interviewer’s office – wiping the ketchup on her sleeve”

    6. ”Stated that, if he were hired, he would demonstrate his loyalty by having the corporate logo tattooed on his forearm.”

    7. ”Interrupted to phone his therapist for advice on answering specific interview questions.”

    8. ”When I asked him about his hobbies, he stood up and started tap dancing around my office.”

    9 . ”At the end of the interview, while I stood there dumbstruck, went through his briefcase, took out a brush, brushed his hair, and left.”

    10. ”… pulled out a Polaroid camera and snapped a flash picture of me. Said he collected photos of everyone who interviewed him.”

    11. ”Said he wasn’t interested because the position paid too much.”

    12. ”While I was on a long-distance phone call, the applicant took out a copy of Penthouse, and looked through the photos only, stopping longest at the centerfold.”

    13. ”During the interview, an alarm clock went off from the candidate’s brief case. He took it out, shut it off, apologized and said he had to leave for another interview.”

    14. ”A telephone call came in for the job applicant. It was from his wife. His side of the conversation went like this: ”’Which company? When do I start? What’s the salary?’ I said, ‘I assume you’re not interested in conducting the interview any further.’ He promptly responded, ‘I am as long as you’ll pay me more.’ I didn’t hire him, but later found out there was no other job offer. It was a scam to get a higher offer.”

    15. ”His attache [case] opened when he picked it up and the contents spilled, revealing ladies’ undergarments and assorted makeup and perfume.”

    16. ”Candidate said he really didn’t want to get a job, but the unemployment office needed proof that he was looking for one.”

    17. ”… asked who the lovely babe was, pointing to the picture on my desk. When I said it was my wife, he asked if she was home now and wanted my phone number. I called security.”

    18. ”Pointing to a black case he carried into my office, he said that if he was not hired, the bomb would go off. Disbelieving, I began to state why he would never be hired and that I was going to call the police. He then reached down to the case, flipped a switch and ran. No one was injured, but I did need to get a new desk.’

    Stick around, there’s more where that came from, Wank..I mean Hank.

  35. Hank? Cat got your tongue, or is your bill busy?

    Q: What can a goose do, that a duck can’t do and a lawyer should do?

    A: Stick his bill up his ass.

  36. Brian Burton 5 Aug 2009, 11:42am

    Right Ho Children of Pink…Back to Girly-Guy talk if you please.
    I see the Movie Moguls have Made ‘Brideshead Revisited’ It’s on Sky Movies on August 9th. The Boys playing Sebastion and Charles are Ben Whishaw and Matthew Goode. Both look the Parts since both are pretty boys. I wonder If they will make a ‘Gay Rambo’ or an all Gay ‘Jam and Jerusalem’ Er! ‘The Brothers Karamazoff’…No that would’nt work! The Chronicles of Narnia Super Lezbian?..Maybe!

  37. “Oh Yeah… and I love women who can hold their own with a strong man, and aren’t afraid to kick a girly-man in his ass. Anything wrong with that?”

    Oh, sorry, I didn’t reality you lived in 1930! Silly me. But the infantile archaic language gave it away.

    You use a lot of homoerotic language for a so called “straight” man. Curious. Like you were programmed with responses to say in the event your “heterosexuality” was challenged. Wonder where you got the programming?

    Hmmm. Anyone else here smell an ex-gay?

    No wonder you believe in god so much, you messed up fool, there’s more proof of god existing than an ex-gay!

  38. Kay Barnes 5 Aug 2009, 11:56am

    This might shock Mr Medved, but a homoerotic interpretation of Holmes and Watson’s relationship is hardly new. People have been discussing it in these terms for decades, fuelled in part by Holmes’ blatant misogeny and total disinterest in the female of the species. I’m surprised he hasn’t also derided the abundant drug use and violence of the books as not suitible!
    A second shocking fact for Mr Medved is that I doubt any homoerotic subtext will dent their box office revenues at all. For every straight man that boycotts, I expect two young women will make a delibrate effort to go see it. Slash fiction is alive and well in the Holmesian fandom after all!

  39. Brian Burton 5 Aug 2009, 12:01pm

    Hank must be one of those Embrio’s from outa space. This poor chap has an irresistible desire to wander through the pages of Pink when he should be sitting under an almond tree in white blossom and drinking amber tea.

  40. Jean-Paul a.k.a. Bentham 5 Aug 2009, 3:41pm

    After a tour of the threads, I notice that the three of them are on a campaign at PinkNews today: Hank, Monkeychops, Skinner.

    OMG, it’s a concerted attack! He-e-e-e-e-lp!!!!

    A gay Sherlock, eh. Sure does appeal to me. Where can I get the DVD? I would have cast Shawn Hatosy, but nobody asked me!

  41. Brian Burton 5 Aug 2009, 5:13pm

    Jean-Paul,
    Concerted attack from these Embrios from outa Space….May The Force Be With Us!

    HankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkychopsSkinnerHankMonkychopsSkinner.

    Now off you go back to MORON-LAND like good little MORONS.

  42. Hey Brian…fantastic presentation of “HankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkeychopsSkinnerHankMonkychopsSkinnerHankMonkychopsSkinner”
    If it’s not copyrighted, can I use for my person website?
    You are a genius! My MY FORCE be with you.

  43. Hey Brian,you said, “This poor chap has an irresistible desire to wander through the pages of Pink when he should be sitting under an almond tree in white blossom and drinking amber tea.”

    In reality, I sit under a Palm tree in South Florida by the ocean,
    and drink an ice cold Guinness. Eat your heart out dear boy!

  44. Brian Burton 6 Aug 2009, 6:35am

    Not Your Force Hank The Devil Incarnate May The God Of Abraham Strike You Dead!

  45. Brian Burton 6 Aug 2009, 6:45am

    Hank,
    You should learn to read between the lines ‘dear boy’
    I was talking about when you tempted my Lord in the desert and He told you firmly to ‘Get Thee Behind Me Satan’

  46. Brian Burton 6 Aug 2009, 9:53am

    Can you imagine Hank and Skinner Screwing each other, David Skinner confessed to being a Closet Queen and Liked Plenty Big Cock Up Him. Hank strikes me a a very namby-pamby mincing Queen. What do my H-Man friends think on here?

    Hank, you are up against formidable interlect on here. A much higher interlect than you can muster you poor cow-bitch.
    For myself, I’m just a working class peasent and even I am more inteligent than you. You are a consumate Liar and a craven coward, all these things you are and you will remain so.

  47. In reality, I sit under a Palm tree in South Florida by the ocean,
    and drink an ice cold Guinness….

    …while I pretend to lust after my wife, the poor deluded cow, but secretly want the male gardener, but my ex-gay exodus pals tell me its wrong, so I have to go on to gay sites to reinforce the fact that I think I’m straight.

    Eat your heart out dear boy!

  48. Dionysian 7 Aug 2009, 4:09pm

    Apologies for the late addition to this thread, but nobody so far seems to have mentioned Jeremy Brett, who was for me the best representation of Conan Doyle’s Holmes and most close to the way I saw him when reading the books.

    Adding a ‘gay twist’ is nothing new. ‘Getting it on’ with Watson, though … Their relationship was platonic, IMHO.

    BTW: I was too young at the time to encounter Basil Rathbone in the part, so perhaps my judgement is tainted by the Holmes I grew up watching, same as everyone knows their first Doctor Who.

  49. Brian Burton 7 Aug 2009, 5:44pm

    Dionysian,
    Your comments are welcome and valid as all comments should be. Wheather we agree or disagree with the commenters views, everyone should have their say. Basil Rathbone played Homlmes from 1939. because WW2 arrived after ’39, dear old Basil played Holmes because most of the ‘Big Movie Stars’ went to war and there was’nt too many left. Nigel Bruce played Dr. Watson with Basil R. until 1946. The difinitive TV Holmes I thought was Jeremy Brett, he died in 1994.

  50. Will the Scouser 7 Aug 2009, 6:57pm

    Brian Burton, I disagree with you about Jeremy Brett. Of course, it’s all subjective opinion, but in my view the definitive TV Holmes was Peter Cushing (with Nigel Stock as Dr Watson). The best radio Holmes was undoubtedly Carlton Hobbs (with Norman Shelley as Watson). I don’t know that he ever appeared on TV in this role – perhaps he didn’t look right – but his speaking voice was superb and instantly recognizable.

  51. Brian Burton 7 Aug 2009, 10:04pm

    Will the Scouser,
    Yes subjective, I Loved Peter Cushing. He was my favourite Dr. Who, I saw him Battling with the Darleks along with Bernard Cribbins who was suposed to be a Police Constable. I saw Peter Cusing as Holmes in ‘The Hound Of The Baskervilles.’ Peter Cushing and Jeremy Brett Both died in 1994 but Peter cushing was 81 years old and Brett was much younger. I saw a whole TV series with Jeremy Brett and Edward Hardwick as Watson. I think Brett beat Cushing by a whisker as Holmes. I will look forward to a Gay Holmes and Watson. There is a new ‘Brideshead Revisited’ out as well. Will, have you Cliked on ‘MY’ in the top left hand corner and become a member yet?

  52. Hey Brian #45 you said, “Hank,
    You should learn to read between the lines ‘dear boy’
    I was talking about when you tempted my Lord in the desert and He told you firmly to ‘Get Thee Behind Me Satan’”

    Brian…why do you quote Scripture when you don’t believe in
    it..you’re a hypocrite and don’t realize it. Stick to your
    heathen writings and don’t offend the Holy Bible by feigning to
    act like you believe there’s a God and he inspired the Holy Bible.
    Your phoniness makes you look like a jerk. At least I believe
    whatever I quote.

  53. Hey Will, #47 you said, ” Hsnk said, In reality, I sit under a Palm tree in South Florida by the ocean,
    and drink an ice cold Guinness…. …

    you said, …while I pretend to lust after my wife, the poor deluded cow, but secretly want the male gardener, but my ex-gay exodus pals tell me its wrong, so I have to go on to gay sites to reinforce the fact that I think I’m straight.

    Eat your heart out dear boy!

    I do believe that most on this website are addicted to sexual
    thoughts and acts rather than a fitting homosexual relationships — and that evolution has contoured your brains into the shape of a penis whenever you look for a companion. I do feel most sorry for you that you can’t appreciate and enjoy the beauty of the female body and mind — you’ve missed out on one of God’s greatest
    creations for enjoyment and pleasure. Go hug your male friend
    and give him a sloppy kiss — You Poor boy!!!

  54. Brian Burton 8 Aug 2009, 8:34pm

    You onley quote the words of the Evil one Hank. You know you are the Devil incarnate and whats more, you know that I’m on to you. May the God of Abraham smite thee from the face of the earth thou Satan.

  55. Hey Brian, you say, “Hank. You know you are the Devil incarnate”

    Brian, do you actually belive in Satan, the Devil, or whatever
    person acts as the evil one in this world? If you do, there’s
    much we can discuss regarding him. It would be a great
    challege to discuss God, Jesus and Satan, don’t you think?

  56. Brian Burton 9 Aug 2009, 8:38am

    Hank,
    I would like you to take a trip to Fresno California and ‘Save’ that raveshed City from crystal-meth addiction which is at present, scarring succsessive generations there. Will you do that small thing Hank? We are too easy a Target for ‘craven cowards’ like you.

  57. “I do believe that most on this website are addicted to sexual
    thoughts and acts rather than a fitting homosexual relationships”

    You also believe in demons. So really, why would your beliefs be of concern to anyone.

    Why didn’t you explain the fossil record to us, rather than the obsession with our relationships? Me thinks you have a bit of a one track agenda on this site Hank. Its all talk about smut and boys with you, isn’t it?

  58. Brian Burton 9 Aug 2009, 12:44pm

    Will,
    I agree with your great comments on this Hank creatcher who persists to linger like a bad smell. Hank hates people like us Will because we are ‘Better’ than he is and ‘Stronger’ than he is. The Fundies will never win with us Will!

  59. Hey Brian, you say, “Hank,
    I would like you to take a trip to Fresno California and ‘Save’ that raveshed City from crystal-meth addiction which is at present, scarring succsessive generations there.”

    God gave man a free will, and those in Fresno choose to do their
    self-destructive life. There’s an eternal battle going on
    between good and evil, and so you make your choice and you live
    with the consequences — if they don’t like their life they
    should turn to God and get a new life. God doesn’t force
    Himself on anybody!

  60. Hey Will, you said, ” You also believe in demons. So really, why would your beliefs be of concern to anyone”

    How do you explain Brian’s comment to me as follows” Hank. You know you are the Devil incarnate”

    So why don’t you ask Brian about the Devil and demons — seems
    like he believes I’m part of the demonic forces out there.

    Do you believe in evil in this world Will?

  61. Brian Burton 9 Aug 2009, 1:59pm

    Hank you Dick-Head,
    Don’t slink away from the Fresno Problem I Charged you with Solving! Or are you not adaquatley disposed to cope with reallity?

  62. Hank, you’ve said before you believe in demons. Don’t be an idiot AND a liar.

    “Do you believe in evil in this world Will?”

    No. But I believe people like you commit acts your could call “evil” by your standards, usually because of your own inadequacy, fears, and superstitions nonsense. Like you presence in here. Its to spread lies, hate and fear. By your own understanding of this word, this is “evil”. You can’t understand the world around you, so you attack it, and encourage others to do the same.

    Hitler was a christian, after all… and you and he are not too far removed in your beliefs, you attitudes, and ultimately your actions.

    You should be really, really ashamed to breath the same air as us.

    Now, perhaps you can enlighten us on the fossil record?

    If you can’t answer this, I will be quoting your failure to do so for quite sometime when ever I see your foul comments here.

  63. Comment by Brian Burton

    Hank you Dick-Head,
    Don’t slink away from the Fresno Problem I Charged you with Solving! Or are you not adaquatley disposed to cope with reallity?

    Brian…the only thing I can say is if those people in Fresno
    wanted to get out of their drug addiction, they have to admit
    they’re lost, inadequate human beings and choosing to live a
    life that will eventually kill them and destroy their families.

    But mankind wants to be their “own god,” and do things their own
    way God doesn’t anyone to perist and He offers a way to salvation.

    I don’t understand God’s love for man, but He says He will
    accept any and all men/women who will admit they are evil and
    sinners and will repent and accept Jesus Christ and follow His
    way — and this world’s problems will not destroy a person. But
    no….man is bullheaded and wants to do things his way, which is
    the way to eternal destruction.
    The man who says there is no God, is a fool and his life is
    already lost.

    Brian…mankind loves itself too much to take an honest look
    at God and what He has to offer, so Fresno is doomed to go deeper
    into degradation and will reap its reward.

    As for me…I live a pleasant life in sunny Florida…go to the
    ocean regularly…do some fishing…have a cold Guinness when
    I get home…do my bible study…pray that people like you
    find the truth…see what’s happening on the
    Internet…listen to great music….talk to nice friends…go
    to sleep with a clear conscience…I live a great life and
    await a better life in heaven…thank you.

  64. You were right Will. He can’t answer a straight questions.

    Must be unable to. The limits of religious belief in a 6000 year old earth are easy to reach obviously.

    Ergo, he is the lair you say he is.

  65. You seem to think you know what god thinks. Impressive for a proven idiot. All the more so Hank when you can’t answer the most simplest of questions.

    Delusional? I should say certainly seems you are.

    You think you know what god’s wants of us? I would say definitely not, you seem to have a troubled mind, not a balanced one.

    Your life isn’t as rosy as you say it is, otherwise you wouldn’t need so much to convince us that it is.

    Why no ask that holy spirit pigeon/chicken thing to come down an “witness” something, it seems all its good for. Most useless god award:- the holy spirit.

  66. Brian Burton 9 Aug 2009, 9:26pm

    Hank,
    You are full of excuses for the decadent life you lead!

  67. Brian Burton 10 Aug 2009, 6:39am

    Hank,
    You have told us an awful lot about yourself exept who your sleeping partner is? Is it a young man or an older Father figure type of man. You cannot remain a Closet Queen for ever you know. We are here to advise you should you require help. Now do call on us for advise.

  68. Brian, Hank is ex-gay. He’s as much as told us before.

    It why he’s here… part of this “therapy” to make him look one bit less like that sad old fuck he is.

    Seems having your IQ substantially lowered is part of the “conversion process”.

  69. Brian Burton 10 Aug 2009, 12:29pm

    Will,
    Whatever Hank is, he makes my blood run cold. All my Life, I have seen these Fundamentalist groups come and go. All they leave behind is a bad taste in the mouth.

  70. David North 10 Aug 2009, 12:57pm

    Stop feeding the TROLLS.

  71. But I like feeding trolls.

    Feeding trolls exposes their stupidity. Their stupidity makes me laugh. I like laughing.

    Win Win.

  72. Brian Burton 10 Aug 2009, 1:57pm

    Will,
    Hank and Auntie Jack must be lovers I should think. Auntie Jack is the Silly Bitch from the Quackers thread. These Fundamentalists wearing frilly knickers and soothing each others thighs in the Back row of a Flee-pit Cinima. OOAAHH! I can just imagine the two of them.

  73. Hey Will,

    The preacher’s wife was making Sunday dinner, when the preacher walked in the house and says:

    “That ham smells wonderful.”

    His wife replies: “That’s a Dam-Ham.”

    The preacher was surprised by his wife’s use of profanity. She showed him the wrapper and explained that was the brand name of the ham. They sat down for dinner and the preacher says to his son:

    “Son, pass me the dam-ham.” and his son replies:

    “That’s the spirit, Pop, now pass me the fucking potatoes”

  74. Josef Stalin 10 Aug 2009, 3:36pm

    Hey Brian,

    But mankind wants to be their “own god,” and do things their own
    way God doesn’t anyone to perist and He offers a way to salvation.

    Don’t you ‘perist’ now, or I’ll have to send Benito after you.

  75. Hank the Wank 10 Aug 2009, 3:47pm

    As for me…I live a peasant’s life in polluted Florida…go to the
    gay bars regularly…do some cruising…have a hot stud when
    I get home…do my bubble study…pray that people like me
    find a big cock…see what’s happening on
    Internet triple X gay porn…listen to AC/DC music….talk to sexy friends…jerk off…go
    to sleep with a disturbed conscience…I live a rotten life and
    await a cyanide capsule in the mail…thank you.

  76. Brian Burton 10 Aug 2009, 4:06pm

    Hanky-Panky,
    My sentiments exactley you silly queen. Now, go and wash your mouth out with soap and water!

  77. Oh Brian,

    OK, OK. anything but the whip. Not the whip, ple-e-e-ease, not the whip. the whip, the whip, no, no, no….aww-w-w-w…I’m cumin’…Alleluia !!!

  78. Brian Burton 10 Aug 2009, 6:23pm

    Hank,
    I’m in my motocycle boots and Leathers, you can start by Licking my Boots. Before I tease your naked thighs with the cat o nine tails….Humm! you would be a good sex slave!

  79. Not the whip, anything but the whip… any-y-y-ything, ple-e-e-ase not the whip. Aw-w-w-w. Aw-w-w-w. (A little harder, Brian) No, no, no-o-o-o-o.

    Was it good for you?

  80. Brian Burton 11 Aug 2009, 12:25pm

    Hank, you’ll do, you sex slave, but I will order you, my slave to lick the boots of all my Gay Friends on this thread. You will be very submissive you trollupe!

  81. Listen up all of you….

    “You make my day,” as Clint might say. Your comments are a
    riot and make me laugh more than I thought I could from
    this site.
    In fact, I think a couple of you should try to start your own
    TV comedy show — unbelievably funny!!
    The only trouble is that you’d have to “bleep out” some words –
    too naughty for the audience.
    But for me, keep it up — I truly get a good laugh at your
    comments
    Sleep well, and thanks again.
    Your friend, as always, Hank

  82. Jeremy Brett in the 80′s gave us a wonderfully camp, acerbic and feline Holmes and set the standard for the role as far as I am concerned. But the image was completely sexless and I think having him getting it on with guys is a great idea. I just don’t think it should be with Watson. Holmes should have a hunky boyfriend or boyfriends and continue to dance circles around a bewildered and dim and maybe even straight Watson.

  83. I say they should go for whatever twist they want. Who cares? If you don’t like it, read the books or watch one of the many other adaptations. If you like it? Good for you, buy the DVD. Fact is that Sherlock Holmes has been around long enough that there are enough versions of it for everyone, including the original. And if there aren’t? Find a way to make your own.

  84. Why not have it as a bdsm relationship with watson as the big hairy bear master and holmes as his skinny geek slave who only gets let out of his cage to solve crimes that have baffled scotland yard.

  85. Hasn’t turned me or anyone else here off.

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