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  1. This is becoming quite an interesting debate. I’m maturing the idea that you shouldn’t be able to ban people on the basis of gender. You can have gender-exclusive themed events but you shouldn’t be able to physically ban people from a public space based on gender. People should be encouraged to observe the gender-exclusivity of an event but if they throw up a tantrum they should be allowed in and only asked to leave if their behaviour is inappropriate. I appreciate the fact that this leaves lesbians in the unpleasant situation of being the object of straight male attention but I think that the alternative has too many unwelcome implications.
    I’m open to being proven wrong on this.

  2. Mihangel apYrs 23 Jul 2009, 1:07pm

    it will be interesting to see if any of teh feamle contributors to the “Torquay Scandal” thread will comment here to say how wrong the organisers are.

    I’m not holding my breath though: some people are able to sustain two mutually contradictory opinions at the same time by using “special case” arguments.

    So not sauce for the goose…..

  3. The Menstruator 23 Jul 2009, 1:15pm

    Special case? You can stop holding your breath now.
    There’s a difference between kicking out a lesbian and her girlfriend and barring straight seething disgusting leering men from an event.
    Meanwhile though… it doesn’t feel good does it rapist men?
    I say, give us female planet.
    In the end, complete gender separation sounds good.
    Granted, the laws in australia are somewhat different from the US Florida. But either way, ideally, straight men would just leave lesbians alone. It’s your gender, fix it. Lesbians don’t make gay men uncomfortable the way straight men make lesbians uncomfortable. It’s the difference between “Gone on girl, snaps” and “my straight penis will fix you.”

  4. Simon Murphy 23 Jul 2009, 1:29pm

    The point made in the other thread needs to be asked again.

    Why would a man want to attend an event designed specifically for lesbians?

    I never in a million years thought I’d start using Daily Mail speak but in this case it’s appropriate.

    This is political correctness gone mad.

  5. Seriously.. how many men would really want to go this this ‘lesbian’ event anyway? What’s the big deal.. honestly!

  6. Mihangel apYrs 23 Jul 2009, 2:02pm

    “There’s a difference between kicking out a lesbian and her girlfriend and barring straight seething disgusting leering men from an event.

    Meanwhile though… it doesn’t feel good does it rapist men?”

    The women weren’t “thrown out” they were refused entry to an area where men sought a safe and private place for themselves – it is typical of some arrogant peole to demand that they want in, in exactly the same way as you want to to ban ALL men from something, without actually knowing why they want to be there.

    The second point is typical stupidity from some of our feminist sisters – all men are rapists. Do you realise just how profoundly insulting on every level that statement is, Menstruator? Personally, the thought of involving myself sexually with a woman makes me want to vomit – I’d rather be asexual!

    Just bear in mind how much work us men did to get you lesbians (and all women) where you are today – we were working through trade unions and other fora for it while you were still occupied in deciding whether shaving your armpits was a sellout!

  7. Vulpes Foxnik 23 Jul 2009, 2:37pm

    I wonder how the group and the law would feel about lesbian transwomen attending the event.

  8. Simon Murphy 23 Jul 2009, 2:58pm

    “There’s a difference between kicking out a lesbian and her girlfriend and barring straight seething disgusting leering men from an event.
    Meanwhile though… it doesn’t feel good does it rapist men?”

    Sexist double standards ahoy!!!!!!!!!!!

    There is no difference. They are not barring ‘leering men’ – they are barring ALL men. They are behaving in no different a manner from the owners of the gay male sex bar in Britain.

    As for your comments about ‘rapists’ – well that is truly foul and offensive. If you regard all men as rapists then don’t get offended if people stereotype you as a man hating lesbian.

    Personally I think the bar in Britain is not doing any harm by barring women. Likewise this Australian club is not doing any harm by barring men. But please don’t start qualifying your position. Either both positions are acceptable or neither are. Simple as that.

  9. Joe E in California 23 Jul 2009, 3:58pm

    No matter, forget the standards, as each situation is different. We need to be sensitive to each one individually in each their different light!

  10. lesbian transwomen are banned from lesbian events all over the world. yet the pink paper doesnt really care to report on that. cheers.

  11. Mihangel apYrs 23 Jul 2009, 11:48pm

    Lesbians and feminists don’t consider M->F trans people as women: they’re pretending!

    Over the decades I’ve come to realise that generally lesbians and straight female feminists tend to relate to each other better than gay men and lesbians, often to the extent of saying ALL men are potential rapists including gays.

    The community of interest we have extends little beyond legal rights…

  12. I just don’t think banning people should be the solution just because of an inconvenience, we risk alienating our comrades and appear to the rest of the world as exclusive heterophobes instead of as an inclusive minority.

    This can only potentially open the rift between Cisgender homosexuals, and those with gender ambiguity like myself, or my friends. We can’t afford to stereotype an entire gender category on the basis of a few horny males, we can’t say that there are genuinely nice hetero males, or male queers who accompany lesbians to these events. It’s our own responsibility to set boundaries.

    If we want acceptance, the last thing we should do is push people away.

  13. Comment by Mihangel apYrs — July 23, 2009 @ 14:02
    Just bear in mind how much work us men did to get you lesbians (and all women) where you are today – we were working through trade unions and other fora for it while you were still occupied in deciding whether shaving your armpits was a sellout!

    Bwahahahahahah! That is the funniest comment I’ve ever read on here! At least I hope you were kidding…

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  15. Vulpes Foxnik 24 Jul 2009, 3:38am

    “Lesbians and feminists don’t consider M->F trans people as women: they’re pretending!” — Comment by Mihangel apYrs — July 23, 2009 @ 23:48

    Transwomen are not pretending anything. They physically have female minds, whether they are Lesbian or strait.

  16. John Macdonald 24 Jul 2009, 5:39am

    I fully support this. This is not about separatism, it is a victory for common sense. The girls have as much right to their own space as gay men. This party is not a daily event, it is an occasional event, so there is no harm in it. They had a few years ago with a drunken straight guy busting into a Lebian event, then got thrown out.
    So next day he took them to court and won the case. So it is important that the girls get legal representation in regards to having their own space.
    I wish them luck with their event. Maybe us boys can get now, too

  17. Mihangel apYrs 24 Jul 2009, 6:59am

    @Vulpes Foxnik
    don’t tell me, tell feminsits like Germaine Greer, and lesbians like Julie Bindall, I know that mind/body gender mismatch is real!

  18. it should be ” wasted men banned from lesbian event”
    please don’t use the individual case towards men, this is racist…

  19. Brian Burton 24 Jul 2009, 7:12am

    Oh! don’t you lot of winging wankers go on! Everyone is entitled to create whatever functions they please and screw your views on the matter.

  20. Mihangel apYrs 24 Jul 2009, 9:56am

    @Brian Burton
    quite agree, but when they whinge that others use the same exclusion policies they are being hypocritical. See what is being said about the lesbian couple that wanted to invade a men-only place, now that’s quality moaning.

  21. Was there not a previous ruling involving a gay mans bar being allowed to refuse entry to straights or lesbians? Don’t think this does anything to advance womens/lesbian rights but its part of a pattern in Australia.

  22. “We can’t afford to stereotype an entire gender category on the basis of a few horny males” – thats a really fair comment to make. I was at the Girlbar Dinah Shore weekend in Palm Springs in April and was standing behind a lesbian and a gay guy having a conversation where she was telling him that there were plenty of bi girls around and he could probably find one if he liked. In all honesty out of thousands of women there were maybe no more than 5 guys at the whole event. I have to say 5 guys didn’t threaten my enjoyment in any way.

    In all honesty, certainly in the UK and Ireland, on big events, a lot of the staff are male because event management is such a male dominated industry, if you call a plumber or electrician most are male. Women often end up turning a blind eye to male members of staff. In more than 10 years of going to lesbian events that let in men I’ve only once seen “leering males” show up. They were just ignored. Most of them do have the cop on to just stay away and stick with their porn and masturbation fantasies. Contrast this with the relative level of tolerance there is for fag hags in gay bars, though not all men like that either.

    Personally it doesn’t impact my enjoyment of an event if a few guys come along.

  23. Mihangel apYrs 25 Jul 2009, 12:26am

    OK

    lots of right-on lesbians have pissed me of in the last thirty years, but do believe that their specific rights are part of the cloth.

    Just rememeber that we fight better together for shared aimd

  24. #Just bear in mind how much work us men did to get you lesbians (and all women) where you are today – we were working through trade unions and other fora for it while you were still occupied in deciding whether shaving your armpits was a sellout!”

    Read about the Stonewall riots. It was the lesbians who firstly, physically fought the police.

    And since women haven’t even had the vote for 100 years it stands to reason that men will still have more influence over things than women. Which obviously still happens.

    As for that comment about ‘rapist men’ from ‘The Menstruator’, you’re disgusting with a disgusting name. And I have a brilliant father and wonderful brother, and yet you’re putting them, ‘men’ and 3 billion humans (roughly) into the catergory of ‘rapist’. What planet are you on, really?

    Weirdo.

  25. Women in Australia got to vote in 1902, men got to vote in 1901. I guess what I am trying to say is that depending where you are, it differs. In many countries they’re times when MANY men weren’t allowed to vote until a certain time and then women were allowed soon after too. The common assumption of men oppressing women for not having rights, working rights, ect, as an active purposeful force is nonsense. If this were true, then men would have to knowingly and collectively come together to do this oppression. But this goes completely against what we know about men today, because as we know, men are hyper-individuals.

    The Menstruator is another typical feminist, just ignore her as her comments about men are so out of touch with reality it makes her look more of an idiot. I am sure she a lonely person because all of the men in her life ignored her. @The Menstruator, you DO NOT know anything about men and I doubt you ever will with the knowledge and understanding you have today. You are a disgusting person.

  26. fair go for all 10 Aug 2009, 4:05am

    Since the year dot women have been oppressed by men. In 85% of the world, women are still regarded as a chattel (after the dog, pig and cow). In countries like Australia, we still experience male oppression and the glass ceiling but have come a long way to reduce the inequalities of the genders. Take a look at any group of business people in any sector at a board meeting and you will see 99% of the group being made up of men. The men have had their exclusive mens clubs for many years so what is wrong with having an exclusive women’s club. Men can get together and talk about whatever men like to discuss(sports, politics) and women can get together to talk about whatever they like to discuss(people, feelings, relationships). Read the book ‘Men are from Mars; Women are from Venus’ and you will appreciate that we have difficult minds and behaviour. Long live exclusive gender clubs and also mixed clubs. People can choose whichever they like to attend. Not all men are bad and not all women are lesbians. Each to their own. Build a bridge and get over it.

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