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  1. Very impressed with this news. Venzuela’s international reputation will improve massively if this law succeeds.

  2. Venezuela’s international reputation will not improve at all, let alone massively, because of this one law.

    Not so long as they have this clown for a president.

  3. Simon Murphy 21 Jul 2009, 8:07pm

    Well if Chavez is committed to this law then he can quite properly be regarded as a friend to the LGBT community. He has his faults for sure but his bad reputation is largely as a result for his strong opposition to US foreign policy. Venezuela is a far more democratic country than the dictatorships in Egypt; Saudi Arabia; Pakistan; Jordan etc but seeing as those murderous, undemocratic regimes will obey their US masters they will not be criticised. Venezuela deserves praise for this new law. It means that Chavez is at least as committed to LGBT equality as Gordon Brown or Barack Obama.

  4. He has his faults? You use the mildest of terms.

    Trust me, no one really cares about his opinion on US foreign policy. He could be credible if he had not assumed the role of a court jester.

    The Bolivarian revolution in Venezuela was completely unnecessary, even he realizes that now. The assembly that will pass this law has the legitimacy of a stale bread.

    But it doesn’t really matter if the country is in economic shambles, now does it? Just pass the law and it’ll all be dandy…

  5. Simon Murphy 21 Jul 2009, 9:18pm

    Sorry Lucius but I disagree. He has more democratic credentials than the previous leader of the ‘free world’ George W Bush who stole the US presidency in 2000. The US system of democracy is one of the most primitive in the world designed in such a way to ensure that there will never be an alternative to the 2 existing parties regardless of social, political or economic changes in tht country.

    Like it or not Chavez is democratically elected. And he is enacting very progressive equality legislation. I cannot understand how you can condemn that. Unless you have believed the anti-Chavez propoganda coming from the neo-conservatives – the same people who support pre-emptive strikes on countries which pose no threat to anyone.

  6. Wow! Venezuela is more progressive than the United States. Who would have thunk it?

  7. Perhaps the neo-con hawks on the Capitol Hill are the only thing I dislike even more than Chavez, so no american “propagander” for me.

    The US majority voting system may have its faults, seeing how every minor party is eventually consumed by two bigger ones. But in the end the courts decide and the rule of law is upheld.

    The word travesty rightly describes the political situation in Venezuela since 1998. Had the assembly not block him, Chavez would pass this and any other law with decree. How tacky is that?

    However, I fully support this law and I wish Venezuela the best, that’s why I detest this man so much.

  8. Good news Venezuela – another step in the right direction. Don’t forget to install ALL the addons as well and the full programme will then work.

  9. Stuart Neyton 22 Jul 2009, 12:46pm

    “The word travesty rightly describes the political situation in Venezuela since 1998”

    Chavez isn’t a dictator. He was democratically elected and has accepted defeat in referenda in his time. Look at the 2007 referendum narrowly lost. At least he didn’t wipe off the electorate thousands of people who would have voted against him like in Florida, George W Bush.

    This is really good news. I’ve admired Venezuela’s economic policies for a long time but hadn’t really expected much on social issues because of the strong role the catholic church plays in society.

  10. Accepted defeat in referenda? He will simply repeat it as many times as it is necessary to succeed. His rhetoric of populism will make sure of that.

    Dozens of referendums or a coup over night; the result is the same. Venezuela will take years if not decades to recover from this experiment.

    Sorry if I sound so passionate. I’m really not. It’s just that the weather’s shit.

  11. Simon Murphy 22 Jul 2009, 3:47pm

    The Venezuelan ‘experiment’ as you call it has basically told international multi-national companies that they do not own Venezuela’s natural resources. The US hates Chavez as he is going to charge far more than they are willing to pay for their oil. Don’t forget that Venezuela has massive oil reserves. In light of the Iraq tragedy I quite simply do not trust US propoganda about leaders of oil rich countries who refuse to play by US rules.

    Another example is how terrified I am supposed to be of evil Iran. Iran is a dictatorial, undemocratic regime for sure but it is a bastion of liberty and democracy compared to our ally Saudi Arabia which is far worse in terms of democracy, human rights and terrorism. We’re meant to ignore Saudi Arabia because they sell us oil at favourable prices.

    Venezuela needs to be congratulated for this new law. It makes Venezuela one of the most advanced countries worldwide in terms of LGBT rights and is a shining example to the rest of catholic South America.

  12. Sadly that’s all a LIE. I’m lesbian and i live in Venezuela, all those news about gov granting gay right are bullshit. The parlament already said they’re not even discussing it, they’re just using it to gain propaganda and try to clear chavez image. Chavez hasn’t even mention gays or lesbians in his speeches, has never aknowledge that we exist. There`s only 2 persons in the parlament trying to pass a bill on gay right, but the rest of the crongress are way to uptight and religious and they said that bill just won`t pass and is not even being discussed.

  13. “Accepted defeat in referenda? He will simply repeat it as many times as it is necessary to succeed.”

    So the same approach as the EU then except the Venezuelan governemnt is elected and the EU commissioners are not.

    Seriosuly, if we had the right to recall the EU government in the way the people of Venezeula do with their governemtn then the EU wouldn’t exist for more than a week.

  14. Apply stricter regulations on a national level with legislature then. Don’t send in troops and nationalize it. It never pans out and is also a bit uncivilized.

    But I agree with your points. Chavez’s power lies solely on huge reserves of oil and his alliance with other leftist governments in Latin America. But those are fleeting factors in the upcoming “green” economy, so he will run out of resources for his social programmes sooner or later.

    And I wouldn’t be so pessimistic about Saudi Arabia. There have been some positive trends in regards to human rights in recent years there, albeit slow.

  15. @JohnF:

    Most of european governments are unelected, because the parliamentary system is prevalent in Europe, as opposed to the presidential one in Venezuela, so I can’t see your point.

    The European Commission IS elected by the European Parliament, where all european citizens are represented.

    And the right to a recall is not as widespread as you might think. In fact, only the USA, British Columbia and Venezuela spring to my mind.

  16. Simon Murphy 22 Jul 2009, 6:05pm

    Lucius – but Venezuela is a beacon of democracy and human rights compared to Saudi Arabia which is one of the least democratic countries in the world and where women’s rights; gay rights; democracy; human rights etc are non-existent.

    Why don’t we hear the same condemnation of that sinister state as we do against Venezuela which is introducing some of the most progressive equality legislation in the world.

    It is propaganda. Chavez won’t play ball when it comes to trade. therefore he is a bad guy. Well I don’t buy it.

  17. Simon, Saudi Arabia is an islamic monarchy. Sharia is deeply imbedded in its consitutional order and the LGBT laws are inherently incompatible with it.

    I can see a lost cause when I see one.

    And Chavez is not a bad guy. He’s just dumb, that’s my main problem with him. His Alo, Presidente TV programme is a non-stop cringefest. Venezuela deserves much better.

  18. I meant, “I know a lost cause when I see one.” Lapsus calami, sorry.

  19. carlos Rivas 18 Oct 2009, 7:00am

    Sorry guys, I don’t want to end the party, but there’s no such a think like equity law for LGBT people in Venezuela. Once Romelia Matute proposed the controversial line in article 8, both the followers of Chavez AND the opposition protested against it. The LGBT community submit a petition to keep that line BUT it was not heard. If it passed is going to say NOTHING about LGBT rights. Today is circulating another press release from the LGBT community because police brutality is worst than ever. One trans person is killing every month in obvious hate crime (not robs, just “social cleaning”), in a city of 6 million population, where last year, 1900 people were killed. Since Chavez is president 1 million people has left the country. Being against USA don’t make our dictator a good guy. He stopped to flirt with the gay community once he reached his goal: modify the constitution to have the possibility of being continuously elected. Get to the facts, I’m one of the refugees because all of this. BTW I’m making a documentary about this mess.

  20. Carlos Rivas 18 Oct 2009, 7:23am

    I doubled checked the information. There’s nothing new regarding the equity law since August 13, 2009, when a second public demonstration, just few weeks after Pride, was done to show the frustration for all the government’s lies. You reached the party when the party is over. That news about big changes it was just a Romelia’s ideas. Venezuela is a deeply homophobic country; in the daily life is just as a Muslim country. If a gay man is killed the news is the victim’s sexual orientation, not the hate crime. I come from the last country in Latin America regarding LGBT rights. Colombia has full equity, Uruguay marriage and adoption… even Ecuador has an anti-discriminatory law written by one of our activist.

  21. We hope that the new National Assembly of Venezuela, LGBT rights a reality for the new legislative period 2011-2016. Hopefully progress in education and health of our society to understand these sexual minorities in the country. And perhaps we may become the 3rd country in America to have a law on same-sex marriage. Viva Sexual Diversity in Venezuela!

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