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  1. It would be laughed out of court.

  2. “Gay rights activists have said the controversial therapy does not work and can be deeply damaging.”
    It’s not just gay activists, it’s all credible psychiatric bodies like the APA and it’s UK counterpart.

    There is also 2 Facebook groups, btw: Friends of Bryce and the less popular Help Save Bryce Faulkner

  3. Extremsim will be brought to account if they dare to try and pervert the justice system, which they seem stupid and delluded enougth to attempt

  4. His parents are cruel pieces of scum, simple as.

    the sooner religion leaves this world the better off we’ll all be

  5. I urge you all to leave a message of support and that website. Google it, seriously. I know I have.

  6. Simon Murphy 21 Jul 2009, 12:36pm

    I hope this website has published the contact details of the evil cult where this man is allegedly being held.

    If you are in one of these gay ‘cure’ cults are you free to just walk out?

    If there are loud protests outside each one of them can’t he just walk out and join them?

  7. The more I’ve read about this case, the more of a nightmare those parents seem. They seem to be outright liars and hypocrites. If anyone needs to be re-educated in what it means to be a Christian, it’s them rather than their son. If anyone hasn’t logged onto the save Bryce site, please do so. It’s amazing how this story has reached across the world.

  8. Victoria Manning 21 Jul 2009, 12:39pm

    There’s also a facebook group.

  9. Let them take the case to court, I say…. then everyone will see what a pair of degenerates his parents are.

  10. This is a really interesting example of where trial by media might do some good. Let’s hope it blogs and spreads all over the place (as it’s already beginning to do) until they are embarrassed into letting him say for himself what he wants. Well done Bryce’s boyfriend.

  11. Simon Murphy 21 Jul 2009, 1:16pm

    Of course the trial by media thing will be an utter failure if he leaves the cult and says ‘I’m cured. Jesus saved me. Homosexuality is evil’. These cults can be persuasive. Granted if that happens he’ll probably be arrested for cottaging in 5 years time as the ‘therapy’ is fake. But it would not do the ’cause’ any good if he started saying this stuff. And the fact that he’s a 23 year old who is still in thrall to his nasty parents may indicate that he’s a person who can be easily manipulated.

  12. I really don’t understand this, if he’s not been kidnapped and is not being held against his will, why don’t he just leave. If he is being held against his will the police should be involved. His parents are obviously disgusting hateful bigots he should break away from them. If they have took away his car, phone, etc then that was theft (if they were actually his possessions). Saying he had no choice is a bit ridiculous, he should go stay with his partner, friends or find a hostel. I wouldn’t agree to go to one of these ‘ex-gay’ ministries just so I could continue to get money from my parents.

  13. The parents of this boy sould go to hell for what they are doing to the son

  14. Very true, Simon. Mind you, the fact his parents have packed him off for a 14-month course suggests that everyone accepts that his ‘sin’ of homosexuality is really, really, really ingrained in him. To the point where it might actually be genetic! The sooner he can be got out of there, the less likelihood is that he’ll come out singing hallelujahs about being ex-gay.

    @Gary
    Yep, that’d be the normal response. But try to think of Bryce as an abused wife or husband. The partner – or in this case the parents – have such control over the abused party that they can no longer see the wood for the trees. They remove all other support systems for the victim and then threaten to remove their own love from victim so he/she has no other choice but to do as they’re told. For you or me, the obvious thing is to just get out of the situation. But victims simply can’t see that there is an alternative.
    It’s a vile process to witness and these parents are the antithesis of ‘familial love’

  15. Simon Murphy 21 Jul 2009, 2:11pm

    I’m not sure it’s an appropriate comparison to compare him to an abused wife to be honest.

    For starters his parents have NOT removed all his support systems – he has his boyfriend. who would appear to be very supportive of him.

    Secondly it is a natural instinct for a young person to want to leave home even when there is no abuse involved. In the case of an abusive marriage that is far less likely as the wife will probably have married her abusive husband with the intention of staying with him. And then if she has children and no outside income, friends or support she finds herself utterly trapped.

    I did not come from an abusive family but I couldn’t wait to get out into the world on my own.

    The bottom line is that if he has voluntarily gone to these gay ‘cure’ lunatics then there’s not a lot that can be done for him.

  16. Mihangel apYrs 21 Jul 2009, 2:54pm

    @Simon
    he lives in the arse-end of civilisation, miles from people who don’t believe the bible has all the answers, where everybody he knows would back his parents. He’s not in a position to just get out and hitchhike a few miles as he could (physically) in the UK. he’s isolated with the “enemy”.

    Cut him some slack, at worst he’s immature and cowed.

  17. I say to the website owners ‘bring it on’. Let it come to court – it’ll get the best result for Bryce. Once the US media pick it up and run it the whole thing will bust right open, regardless of if a court case happens or not. With the whole Prop 8 furore gay rights are the hot ticket in the US media and any story like this is newsworthy. It’ll be presented like another ‘Matthew Shephard’ in terms of coverage, especially if bryce’s parents kick off – and they are too stupid not to. It’ll be an eyeopening insight in terms of the the style and scale of exposure unknowing straight middle America will get into the shady world of Ex-gay churches. Gay groups in the US will be marching and picketing outside these churches. The parents will be pilloried as ignorant bigots and the church will hopefully suffer such reputational damage that they will not be able to continue their evil. Moreover, hopefully Bryce will get to live his life the way he needs to, not the way someone else wants him too. Result.

  18. HE IS TWENTY-THREE YEARS OLD. If he’s there, it’s of his own free will. Sounds like his ex-boyfriend needs to deal with that fact.

  19. the menstruator 21 Jul 2009, 4:31pm

    The boyfriend doesn’t have to take the site down because some blow hards say so. The boy featured is over 18. They can’t violate his freedom of speech. He should file a missing person report.
    Then we should all ralley and protest all breeders because there are NO STRAIGHT ALLIES.

  20. Good, good… they’re obviously becoming stressed. I guess if they started receiving hate mail, threats, journalists camping outside their house, regular outings as homophobes on national TV, etc, they would become even more stressed. Who knows, they may even burst with stress and all their nasty pleboid insides would splatter everywhere and make a smelly mess.

  21. Am…..helloo…..hes obviously at the ministry????

  22. Mihangel apYrs 21 Jul 2009, 5:27pm

    way to go Dave.

    Just don’t be a hypocrite and ever ask for help.

    Ever

  23. I say we abduct his parents and force them to frequent gay bars until they turn gay. If it’s sauce for the goose… ;)

  24. Can someone who knows the Facebook address post it here, please? Let’s all make this story snowball round the world, till those parents and the ex-gay ministry get such publicity they are absolutely shamed.

  25. Last I heard blackmail was still a crime. The guy is 23, not a minor. It looks like he is being blackmailed by the parents into subjecting himself to psychological harm and cult brainwashing.

  26. @Eddy please look at no2 on this thread there you find the Facebook sites. I have already left a message on one of the Facebook sites and I shall do so with the next one.
    Sky News has already put out a story about this it just remains for this to gather momentum and for the rest of the US media to get their teeth into it. I agree with Simon, Bryce was forced into this terribly harmful action without knowing what it entails or what he was letting himself for. He could be forced to say things by this crackpot organisation as Simon has suggested. Bryce is not strong or he would have run away a longtime back.

  27. @Eddy please look at No 2 on this thread for the Facebook address. I am inclined to agree with Simon about Bryce being forced by this crackpot and dangerous organsiation to say things that are a lie. His parents are unspeakable. This story has already appeared on Sky News and all that remains is for the rest of the US media to get their teeth into it. Some blogs have already started to talk about this tragedy. Bryce is not strong otherwise he would have run away a long time back. I do not think that Bryce knew what was in store for him. I have already signed the first Facebook page. I shall do so on the other now.

  28. James Hipps 21 Jul 2009, 8:20pm

    Perhaps his parents should have to do some time in jail. I only thing that bother’s me is why a 23 year-old is letting his parents financial support stand in his way. He is 23, if he had not been mentally abused for all of those 23 years by undereducated parents, he would understand the cost of freedom and would have made the better decision of leaving his parents to there own bigotry. I would encourage this young man to leave the “ex-gay” cult, get a job, support himself, continue his education at a later date when he can qualify for student loans, and cut his parents off as they have forced him to cut his friends off.

  29. Michael★ 22 Jul 2009, 2:28am

    The sad truth is, either spiritually, emotionally and sometimes physically, people die or are demeaned and tortured because of archaic beliefs and often out-of-date religious dogma.
    Humans and ALL life is free from it’s inception – then sometimes, a person or group of people with their ignorant and often idiotic cultural or religious beliefs shove their drivel and opinions into and onto societies and some individuals doings and bring nothing but ugliness upon itself and the innocent life they fear loosing control over, in search of their answers and higher purpose.
    There IS NONE – save what an individual finds to be true for themselves.

    Not until all people realize WE ARE ALL EQUAL beings, made of nothing more than stardust, can we then work towards a better and more comfortable co-existence with each other AND the world as a whole.
    Symbiosis is everywhere in the universe except in the egos of humankind.

    I hope he finds HIS way and HIS love.

  30. And they go on about the “GAY ADENDA”. Maybe we should start up an Ex-Hetero Ministry

  31. well said Michael

  32. If this guy is missing as his bf says he is and/or being falsely imprisoned, then why is it someone has yet to involve the police?

  33. SkepticalGuy 23 Jul 2009, 12:55am

    I believe any ex-gay therapy is a lot of baloney that’s never going to work. That said, I also think this is a publicity stunt for that strange “Mari Rev” at Ergonomical Ministries to get attention to himself. Visually, Bryce is as good a poster-child for a cause as Matthew Shepard was, even though Bryce probaby chose to go the ex-gay route to stay in his parents’ material ($$) graces.

  34. Eagle Ashcroft 23 Jul 2009, 2:30am

    Golly Molly why I had no idea you could become an “ex-gay.” Then does that mean a black person can turn into a white person and become an ex-black person, or a Jew into a Mexican and become an ex-Jew, or a human turn into a bird and become an ex-human? Why is is truly amazing these days what scientist can do. Since my name is Eagle I’m going to find out how I can become a real eagle so the American government will protect me and I can live a hundred years and fly away from all the crazy bigots in the world and go live on a mountain top.

  35. AgreeWithEagle 23 Jul 2009, 3:26am

    Becoming an ex-gay really is an absurd idea akin to become an ex-ethnic whatever, or changing from male-to-female or female-to-male. You’ll never be different from the race, ethnicity, sexuality, or sex you were born as.

  36. Your all like a pack of dogs fighting over a bone, all trying to outdo each other preaching the gospel according to the gaystapo.

    FJ22 – I say we abduct his parents and force them to frequent gay bars until they turn gay.

    How can you turn someone gay if you are born that way? You can’t have it both ways. Either you are born that way or you are not.

  37. EA34 – Golly Molly why I had no idea you could become an “ex-gay.”

    Just goes to show that you don’t know everything.

    A former homosexual activist and a leader in that movement has announced he has left that lifestyle, and is crediting Jesus with his transformation.

    For years, Michael Glatze was a prominent spokesman in the homosexual rights movement. In fact, at age 22, he became editor of Young Gay America magazine. He also has received a number of awards, including the “National Role Model Award” from the Equality Forum, an organization that promotes “gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender civil rights.”

    But in an article published today by WorldNetDaily, Glatze says he began to question his purpose and role in life two years ago –and that led him to God’s truth about homosexuality, sin, and forgiveness. “Now I know that homosexuality is lust and pornography wrapped into one,” he writes. “I’ll never let anybody try to convince me otherwise, no matter how slick their tongues or how sad their story. I have seen it. I know the truth.”

  38. Hey “Upandatem”! Just you go “Sitdownandshutit”!

    You’re talking abject illogical pitious twaddle in both your posts above. Go peddle your nonsense on some silly website where they all believe in talking in tongues and gobbledegook – because that’s all that anything out of your mouth clearly amounts to!

    When “Flapjack” in #23 suggested this poor lad’s parents be carted around the gays bars till they turn gay he was quite obviously speaking rhetorically, you fool, you poor simple fool.

    In your post #37 you claim that a former gay man is now happily ensconced in the bosom of your beloved Jesus. Your failure to claim that the ex-gay reparative therapy actually works and that the said individual is now an absolute true heterosexual is glaringly obvious. This is, of course, because your example was a homosexual before and he remains a homosexual now, albeit one who has taken on board a lot of superstitious Jesus-loving nonsense from your ex-gay reparative bigots.

    You need to sit down and shut up, Mr. “Upandatem”, and start THINKING, dum-dum!

    Ask yourself why all of the following co-exist in the world and how each of them can therefore possibly believe they are “the one and only truth”.

    Christianity
    Islam
    Hinduism
    Chinese traditional religion
    Buddhism
    primal-indigenous religions
    African Traditional & Diasporic religions
    Sikhism
    Juche
    Spiritism
    Judaism
    Baha’i
    Jainism
    Shinto
    Cao Dai
    Zoroastrianism
    Tenrikyo
    Neo-Paganism
    Unitarian-Universalism
    Rastafarianism
    Scientology

    Can you work out the answer?

    Can you even accept that your Jesus cult is not the only cult of deluded fools on the planet?

    Did you even know that your lot is not the only lot of twats who foolishly believe that they are the one true way?

  39. Mihangel apYrs 23 Jul 2009, 1:02pm

    Eddy
    you missed of Wicca
    xx

  40. Ah, yes, Wicca. Very popular these days, especially among UK teepee people. Would it not fit in under neo-paganism, Mihangel?

  41. Homophobia is a mental illness. What upandatem needs is to realize he/she is ill and to seek help. None of us can help him/her.

  42. EDDY38 – This is, of course, because your example was a homosexual before and he remains a homosexual now, albeit one who has taken on board a lot of superstitious Jesus-loving nonsense from your ex-gay reparative bigots.

    I trust that you have evidence for this statement? It is quite interesting really. Yours is about the 35th reason to discount the reality of this guys conversion from homosexuality to heterosexuality. You all make up some supercilious argument without any evidence to bolster your egos, which you have to do of course because the truth will shatter your dreams and show that you have been believing a lie all these years.

    You’re talking abject illogical pitious twaddle in both your posts above.

    I developed that ability from you lot.I have never seen so much illogical piteous twaddle in one place.

    B41 – Homophobia is a mental illness.
    Homonazism is a emotional and mental illness which can be cured.

  43. “Upandatem” your response is piteously and laughably weak. All you were able to do was use chunks of my description of you.

    I repeat, dum dum:

    Ask yourself why all of the following co-exist in the world and how each of them can therefore possibly believe they are “the one and only truth”.

    Christianity
    Islam
    Hinduism
    Chinese traditional religion
    Buddhism
    primal-indigenous religions
    African Traditional & Diasporic religions
    Sikhism
    Juche
    Spiritism
    Judaism
    Baha’i
    Jainism
    Shinto
    Cao Dai
    Zoroastrianism
    Tenrikyo
    Neo-Paganism – including Wicca !
    Unitarian-Universalism
    Rastafarianism
    Scientology

    Can you work out the answer?

    Can you even accept that your Jesus cult is not the only cult of deluded fools on the planet?

    Did you even know that your lot is not the only lot of twats who foolishly believe that they are the one true way?

  44. The evidence that people change to heterosexuality is next to zero. Exodus has a failure rate of between 89% and 96%.

    Let’s be clear, heterosexuality = thinking about your wife, and getting arounsed by her when you have sex with her. Time and time again, Exodus people end up having ‘relapses’ as they call it – going off with guys, or accepting the fact that they are gay after all. The founders of Exodus, realized it was nonsense what they were doing. And notoriously, John Paulk – the ex gay posterboy on the cover of Time magazine, caught in a gay bar.

    They should be honest, the only way they can have success is by preaching fear and intimidation. And relying on parents to do the same. These organizations simply rip families apart.

    PS Alan Chambers’ kids are not even his own, they are adopted. Why is this so?

  45. Upandatem – Two words for you… “Ted Haggard”. There’s a shining example of ex-gay therapy, and how having a hotline to god is a guaranteed cure for “unwanted” homosexual urges.

  46. You have missed out the gospel according to the gaystapo Eddie.

    AT44-The evidence that people change to heterosexuality is next to zero. Exodus has a failure rate of between 89% and 96%.

    Your fixation is showing AT. For your information, Exodus in only one ministry that enable homosexuals to change. There are thousands more. Can I have some evidence from you that all the others are failures? I know that you can’t provide any so the question is rhetorical.

    And notoriously, John Paulk – the ex gay posterboy on the cover of Time magazine, caught in a gay bar.

    Your ability to argue rationally is somewhat childish. A person who steals something according to your rational is a kleptomaniac even though he doesn’t steal anything for the rest of his life.

    One swallow doesn’t make a summer and going into a bar frequented by homosexuals once doesn’t make you a homosexual no more than sleeping in a garage makes you a car.

    I am still waiting for someone to produce the evidence about John.

    “They should be honest, the only way they can have success is by preaching fear and intimidation. And relying on parents to do the same. These organizations simply rip families apart.”

    Just another throwaway line to make you feel good. Can I have some evidence please, not just opinion. I keep on asking for evidence for the outlandish statements made by the gaystapo. Guess what. None. Surprise, surprise.

    I won’t respond to the other childish and immature attempts to denigrate other than to say they are characteristics of people who don’t like themselves very much.

  47. “Upandatem” above completely sidesteps the issue of his foolish beliefs being based upon a “one true way” . . . which is just another one of irrational people’s devised and comfortable belief systems.

    He calls for evidence from us, the gay people who his Jesus-loving lot are trying to alter, that we are real and we exist. Dum dum, think! You couldn’t try to alter your tiny percentage of us if homosexuality isn’t a norm, albeit a minority one.

    Either wake up and think, get real and behave like an adult, or go off to your deluded make-believe world of heaven and saints and paradise where everything is la-la-la, all smiles and eternal happiness.

  48. The exgay survivor network is massive, Reality Check / upandatem. Full of similar stories about systematic abuse; zach stark, dj butler just 2 examples. Even exodus relieved Paulk of his responsibilities by the way – go ask them why, not me…

    Exodus’ definition of change isn’t really change – it’s just instilling guilt and suppression. Straight people do not go astray, and do not need to constantly suppress their sexual feelings.

    No scientific evidence has been provided yet to prove reparative therapy works.

  49. B41 – Homophobia is a mental illness.
    Homonazism is a emotional and mental illness which can be cured.

    Hmmm. Its a pity there is no cure for the stupidity of those who can’t think for themselves, and choose to use a silly book of stories in lieu of basic rational. You’re a disgrace to man’s progress, you backward fool… one who uses a slur like “homonazi” against a group who faced the death camps long before the Jews did. And ironically you use this term againts others when in reality its people like you who were nazi’s. History and its lessons are lost on one so shallow and daft as you, upandatem.

    When one says there are gods and spirits and other ethereal creatures, the onus is on you to prove they exist, not us.

  50. Well said, Will. Upandat him!

  51. I found this the other day Eddie. I thoght you might be interested as you weren’t too keen on including the gospel according to the gaystapo.

    THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF THE HOMONAZI RELIGION

    1.You shall have no other boyfriends before me because I am the centre of the universe.

    2.You shall not make for yourself an idol of anyone else as it means that I will not be the centre of your universe.

    3.You shall not say anything that puts the gaystapo in a bad light or reveals the truth about the unhealthy habits that we have and that we are sad, lonely, rejected, screwed up and hate ourselves.

    4.Remember that the seventh day is an especially good day to shag as many men as you like on that day even though it may means catching AIDS.

    5.Don’t honour your father and mother unless they embrace your homosexuality with enthusiasm and excitement.

    6.You will murder anyone’s reputation that disagrees with us or tries to stop us getting what we want. You will disregard truth if it gets in the way of our bigotry and hate.

    7.You will commit fornication and adultery with as many men as you can without regard to being infected with AIDS or infecting other people with AIDS.

    8.You will definitely steal, kill and destroy the enemy and spread lies and hate about them even if they have done nothing wrong because it will help us forget about our damaged egos.

    9.You will lie and cheat as much as you can if it means that our gospel of me, myself and I is kept hidden and you can get our lies accepted as truth.

    10.You will covet another’s man’s boyfriend if you are excited about sticking your thing up his backside, and you will have sex with him even if it means you will break up his current relationship and wreck his boyfriend’s emotional wellbeing, what little there is of it.

  52. AT48-No scientific evidence has been provided yet to prove reparative therapy works.

    No scientific evidence has been provided that love exists. No scientific evidence has been provided that I love my grandchildren. By your warped logic, love does not exist and I do not love my grandchildren.

  53. W49-Hmmm. Its a pity there is no cure for the stupidity of those who can’t think for themselves

    Thanks Will. I had wondered why you are all like each other, parotting the same old disfunctional and discredited ideas.

  54. Ah, yes. I forgot. “upandatem” is also the same person as “reality check” and “Archdecon Brian Hurtin”. Bit of an identity disorder going on there. Same silly slurs, same lack of evidence. Same childish naivety. The same MO:- say the exact SAME thing back to the person, by way of a childish retort, rather than actually answer the point, because you’re unable to.

    How marvellously intelligent of you.

    And what “discredited ideas” would I be talking about, exactly? That you are stupid? No, you proved that already, in many other threads. The only “disfunctional” ideas here are your literal interpretations of the bible, and your laughable 6000 year old planet earth. How preposterous you and your kind sound when you use this bible stuff as “proof”. How much easier it must be for you to ignore the masses of evidence that is contrariety to your bible, rather than face up to the truth of the world around you.

  55. Oh, and shouldn’t the word “HOMONAZI RELIGION” really be “CHRISTO-NAZI RELIGION”? Now that makes sense, as the Nazi’s were all christian.

    Again, upanatem, with his second grade level understanding history.

  56. ah yes, everyone who does not believe that man and dinosaurs existed at the same time is a nazi… what a senile nutcase.

  57. Well-spotted, Will. Upandatem is indeed the same sad troll, obsessed with gay men and with a head full of religious crap. We know him and his likes well. Completely unable to discuss intelligently and a complete waste of space. A poor lonely f–ker, in fact. Just ignore the fool. I bet in his private fantasies he gets sucked off by men.

  58. “No scientific evidence has been provided yet to prove reparative therapy works. No scientific evidence has been provided that love exists. No scientific evidence has been provided that I love my grandchildren. By your warped logic, love does not exist and I do not love my grandchildren.”

    This logic is utter nonsense! Are you for real??? I’m sorry Eddy, I have to address this one, its such rubbish and gives me a cheap giggle….

    So, let me see if I have this right:- because there is no proof that “x” exists, then logically “y” does not exist either, because although they are mutually exclusive, the thing they have in common is they share a lack of scientific proof, and therefore “x” is proven false…….???????????????

    You, sir, are a utter buffoon!

    Are you suffering form a form of learning retardation, upandatem?

    But of course, you’re wrong. As usual. This is a simplified version:- Biological models of love tend to see it as a mammalian drive, similar to hunger or thirst, which are well understood. Psychology sees love as more of a social and cultural phenomenon. There are elements of truth in both views. Love has been proven to be influenced by hormones (such as oxytocin), neurotrophins (such as NGF), and pheromones, and how people think and behave in love is influenced by their conceptions of love. The conventional view in biology (i.e. scientific view) is that there are two major drives in love: sexual attraction and attachment, and hence have a purpose from an evolutionary point of view.

    So, there is a scientific proof for the need of love, and why it exists…. Hmmm. How interesting.

    So, if there is a scientific proof for love, then using your own “warped logic” model, therefore, and “logically”, reparative therapy doesn’t work.

    Q.E.D.

  59. Bravo, Will, BRAVO! It’s just so wonderful watching someone completely dismantle a buffoon like this troll. If he has an iota of real intellectual self-respect he should run screaming with embarassment and humiliation upon reading the above. But we know this guy. He’s sick, so he won’t.

    Keep upandatem, Will! It’s the only way. Demolish the sad bigotted f–kers! It gets so hot in the kitchen that they do eventually skulk away. They’re really people who are desperate for love, despite the heterosexuality with which they believe they have been blessed, and when they perceive how unloveable and how laughable they are they do get hurt and think twice.

  60. Thank you Eddie, glad you like my response.

    Pedople like this buffoon upandatem/realitycheck/archdeacon-muppet/whatever-he-calls-himself astound me. They accept the computer they work on, but don’t understand how it works, and yet they don’t accept “other” scientific reasoning…. like they operate under the delusion that they have the brain power or education to tell the difference!

    I also love his stupidity when it comes to the huge difference between what is “scientifically proven” and what is shown to have a “scientific basis”. They are very, very different things. He labours under the falshhood that what exists needs to be proven to exist, like a tree needs a scientific “proof” so it can be a tree, and if there is no “proof”, then its not a tree…. utter rubbish of course, it just shows his lack of learning. You only prove what is not known to be true, an unknown. You don’t prove what exists already. Like homosexuality, for example, we exist, so we don’t need to be “proven” scientifically. What’s in questions here is the reason for homosexuality. This is a common mistake of these idiots who use a weak understanding of science to defend their bigoted agenda…. a “Christo-nazi” agenda.

    It seems this fool has grandchildren. God help them, they must be idiots to have his genes. Lets hope his wife cheated on him to make a better calibre of child, for their sake… although she must have questionable taste to marry this moron. I’d say she’s been beaten into a docile cretin for “stepping out of line” by the sanctimonious I’m-master-of-my-house-and-a-man Mr. Upandatem. He’s clearly some powerless old fart who is probably afraid of the kids in the neighbourhood and his only outlet for his anger is here, on a gay site, using some banged up PC his kids bought him just to shut him up.

    He’s a fool. And he knows it.

  61. Eagle Ashcroft 28 Jul 2009, 10:30pm

    EA34 – Golly Molly why I had no idea you could become an “ex-gay.”

    Just goes to show that you don’t know everything.

    Hey Upandatem you numskull don’t tell me I don’t know everything. I am not a religious numskull like you who is so gullible to believe in fairy tales like you do. For your information I am a college graduate with a degree in physics and government. I am also a retired federal agent having traveled Europe for the US government and I have seen dozens of nut cases like you in insane asylums. When did they let you out, or did you escape? And I know there are thousands of gay animals, so tell me do you believe some religious nut can pray over an animal and make them an “ex-gay?” There is a challenge for you and your freak religious nuts; “go pray over a gay dog or gay bull to become an ex-gay” and if you can change an animal from gay to an ex-gay then you might convince the rest of us your evil voodoo works, but until then put your money with your mouth is and shut the f-ck up and because no sane person is going to listen to your dribble.

  62. Sugar Plum Fairy 29 Jul 2009, 4:32am

    WILL54- How much easier it must be for you to ignore the masses of evidence that is contrariety to your bible, rather than face up to the truth of the world around you.

    Can I have some of that evidence? All I get is opinion.

    WILL55- Now that makes sense, as the Nazi’s were all christian.

    Can I have some evidence please or is that another throwaway line to help soothe a damaged ego?

    WILL58-You, sir, are a utter buffoon!

    Can’t help it, I get it from you!!!

    WILL58-But of course, you’re wrong. As usual.

    I know. Everyone who disagrees wiht you is wrong, haven’t you noticed that? I can only hope that one day that you will leave you deluded cloistered world and find reality.

    EDDY59-If he has an iota of real intellectual self-respect he should run screaming with embarassment and humiliation upon reading the above.

    Why? I have got nothing to fear from irrational bigotry.

    WILL60-God help them, they must be idiots to have his genes

    Of course, that is why my eldest grandchild is the top student in her school. Didn’t you know that idiots have more brains than anyone else. My second oldest according to her report is the best writer in the school and my second youngest who is two, has a vocabulary of a six year old. I hope I have many more grandchildren who are idiots as it obviously helps them to achieve great things.

    WILL60- using some banged up PC his kids bought him just to shut him up.

    Actually I and my son buy the computers in this family because I taught IT to high school students and my son owned a computer shop. I have just bought a computer for my daughter because she asked me to as she knows I know more about computers than she does, even though she works with them every day.

    EA61- Your anger is showing eagle. But then I should not be surprised at that as suppressed anger is a trait of homosexuals.

  63. Sugar Plum Fairy 29 Jul 2009, 6:28am

    Will, you might be interested in another idiot in my family. My daughter before she was posted overseas to international HQ, was the head of her department with 1,000 staff who answered to her. She was the highest paid head of department in the company.

    I am beginning to wish I had been born an idiot. They seem to be real achievers and really make a success of life.

  64. Sugar Plum Fairy thanks for providing us with evidence that you have a need to change your identity on these threads. You are clearly quite a shape-shifter.

    If there is any truth in the claims you make for the intellectual brilliance of your kids, then one can only hope that their gifts and creativity does not become as horrifically misdirected as yours has clearly become.

  65. “I am beginning to wish I had been born an idiot”

    Don’t worry, “Sugar Plum Fairy”/Upandatem/All-the-other-daft-names-you-use, the fact you have to change you name to get some semblance of a point across only shows you have reached this goal. Well done.

    “Can I have some of that evidence? All I get is opinion.”

    No, you get scientific fact. The reality is you don’t understand it. That’s why you need the bible in lieu of independent thought.

    “Actually I and my son buy the computers in this family because I taught IT to high school students and my son owned a computer shop.”

    This is a lie. No IT person gets anywhere without an understanding of science. One of my degrees is in Computing Engineering. I understand science. You have no such understanding, only a propensity to childish tantrums and silly logical comparisons. Ergo, you’re a liar.

    Its bad enough being a fool, but a lying fool is a real achievement. Well done.

    Oh, and Don’t forget to change your name again in the response, it lends to your bi-polar personality more.

  66. Sugar Plum Fairy:- ‘My daughter before she was posted overseas to international HQ’

    Yeah, to get away from you, I’d say. She must be horrified by you. I would be.

  67. Sugar Plum Fairy 2 Aug 2009, 6:28am

    L66-Yeah, to get away from you, I’d say. She must be horrified by you. I would be.

    This comment shows what a supercilious little twit you are. As I don’t work for the company that she works for, I had nothing to do with her promotion. She is so horrified that she rings me every week via skype on the computer and we talk for at least an hour and most weeks she emails me and says what a great Dad I am.

    I guess you wouldn’t understand that as your rleationship with yours wasn’t crash hot.

    And I guess that you are going to make another supercilious comment to prove what a twit you are and what an angry unfulfilled person you are.

  68. Blah blah blah. What are you trying to prove? You seem desperate for us to acknowledge your life. And so angry too. You’re daughter is most likely an idiot, as you obviously are. I’d say she’s lucky if she’s cleaning the toilets, and its the best she can do having a dumb ass father like you. Its simple logic and genetics, my dear buffoon.

    Look, we don’t believe you. You’re a liar. You change your name to get some childish hissy fit of a point across. You get upset when anyone challenges you, but you can’t answer any questions. You clearly have medical needs. And you’re uneducated. You and your offspring are obviously vermin. Linda’s right…. if she’s a decent person, she’ll have nothing to do with a creature like you.

    And not one person on this site will so much as blink differently because of your febrile rantings, that’s how powerless you are in life. Banging angrily on a keyboard shouting like a snotty child. Now, run along and print out another one of those free degrees you have, and give me a good laugh!

  69. Sugar Plum Fairy 3 Aug 2009, 6:30am

    W65-This is a lie. No IT person gets anywhere without an understanding of science. One of my degrees is in Computing Engineering. I understand science. You have no such understanding, only a propensity to childish tantrums and silly logical comparisons. Ergo, you’re a liar.

    You will have to help me Will as I don’t ever remembeer you visiting my son’s computer shop or you being present when I taught classes in IT or being in my tutorial group at uni.

    Could you tell me when these things happened. If you can’t because they are all a figment of your imagination then I guess that makes you the same as me.

    By the way, I am not an IT person. I taught IT to high school students. Perhaps you can tell me a bit more about when you taught IT to high school students?

    W65-No, you get scientific fact. The reality is you don’t understand it.

    You mean like these examples of scientific facts?

    1. I have seen dozens of nut cases like you in insane asylums.
    2. And I know there are thousands of gay animals
    3. shut the f-ck up and because no sane person is going to listen
    to your dribble.
    4. It seems this fool has grandchildren. God help them, they must
    be idiots to have his genes.
    5. Lets hope his wife cheated on him to make a better calibre of 6. child, for their sake
    7. He’s a fool. And he knows it.
    8. They’re really people who are desperate for love,
    9. You, sir, are a utter buffoon!
    10. Again, upanatem, with his second grade level understanding
    history.
    11. I bet in his private fantasies he gets sucked off by men
    12. Homophobia is a mental illness.
    13. This is, of course, because your example was a homosexual
    before and he remains a homosexual now.

    Oh, by the way, do you have any proof for your no. 13 statement? Probably not as most of your comments are throwaway lines used to massage damaged egos and truth is not high on your agenda. You seem to prefer childish and immature rants that impress no one except yourselves.

  70. Sugar Plum Fairy 3 Aug 2009, 6:52am

    W68-Your anger is showing Will. Would you like to know about some very good anger management specialists who will help you crawl out of the gutter of self-loathing.

    W68-And you’re uneducated

    yes I am. I only have four degrees.

    W68-You and your offspring are obviously vermin

    No, they are a male and female.

    W68-You clearly have medical needs.
    Yes I do, that is why I am grateful to have a good doctor who is helping me beat cancer.

    W68- You get upset when anyone challenges you, but you can’t answer any questions.

    And I am still waiting for answers to at least 25 questions that have been asked on this website. It would appear that it is OK for you to bully us for answers but you don’t seem able to practice what you preach.

    W68- Now, run along and print out another one of those free degrees you have,

    At the end of the day, they cost me thousands of pounds. Perhaps you could tell where you got your free degrees and I can get some too.

    W68- if she’s a decent person, she’ll have nothing to do with a creature like you

    Would you like me to get her to write to you and tell you how much we love and support one another.

    Here is what she said in her last Father’s day card to me.

    “To my dearest darling Dad. Thankyou for being the best Dad in the world. You are irreplacable. Have a lovely day. All my love and tons more…Samy”

    Of course having such a fractured relationship with your Dad, I don’t expect you to understand the love that a Father and daughter can have for each other.

    My feelings for her are likewise. I couldn’t have wished for a better daughter. She is very beautiful, intelligent, endearing, loyal, respectful, well mannered, hard working, and nothing is too much trouble. Her work references are full of glowing praise for her dedication, efficiency and expertise.

    I await your supercilious and childish response to prove that you are a sad and emotionally deprived specimen of manhood.

  71. Yawn. The same old angry tirade. Andry and trying to inpress us with your falsehoods.

    Lets look at facts, shall we:

    You don’t understand most of the science you talk about, if not all. You quote “studies” that are fallacy and proven to be propaganda. So, logically, you’re degrees are a figment of your imagination, or utter shit in quality. Either way, you demonstrate inferior education. I do not accept your so called education as you have so far demonstrated none of it. when I see some semblance of this, I will acknowledge it.

    You are unable to answer a direct question.

    You have to rant to prove “how great you are”, when in fact, you’ve demonstrated a lack of understanding of your own silly theories, a lack of awareness of the world around you, and a penchant (the correct spelling here) for petty attacks in lieu of logical rational recourse.

    Its not normal to be “straight” (as you so often claim) and trawl a gay site. This is obsessional behaviour. If you’re not gay, this none of this concerns you. So, as you are here, we can infer a lot from this, not least you have homosexual obsessions.

    Hissy fits are the norm for you when no one agrees with you. The trade mark of someone with emotional issues.

    You insist on silly renditions of your family’s “greatness”…. you protest too much. And in doing so, reveal your lies, or delusions. Its more likely they are idiots like you, or are deeply ashamed of you. Either way, its of no relevance to the reality that you repeatedly demonstrate your petty hate and foolishness in here. Try standing on your ow two feet sometime.

    You, and your kind, are a dying minority, and all your clap trap here wont change that. You’re silly insults, which are not even clever, have proven it your in your own world of futility.

    The reality is that nothing you say here will affect my life, or any of our lives. You cannot convince us of your lies with half truths, unfounded “research” from NARTH, or any of your protestations to the contrary that your are “educated” (your appalling grammar and spelling shows this at least to be untrue). You wont affect my relationship with my partner, you wont affect my large salary, my home, my life, my family. In essence, you are a powerless old crank….

    ….in fact, the only thing you are doing here on this site is trying to convince yourself of some stupid “truths” for what reason, I don’t know, and I don’t care, I rarely converse with fools like you in real life, religion such as yours is a poison to the mind, and I find you and your “beliefs” distasteful and futile.

    Public opinion is on our side. Not yours. This is a sad reality for you.

    You are a vast minority. None of your crap will wash with the greater masses. More gays rights every day are being afford to us, while you are being pushed aside as irrelevant. Your brand of hate and religion is fading, and not a moment too soon. We on the other hand are everywhere. I myself am a senior manager in my company. I don’t care if you don’t believe that or not, its of no relevance and will not change that reality. I DO have position of power and influence when it comes to setting how gay people are treated in this company. We are growing every day, and our growing movements will outshine your febrile rantings and your dying kind.

    This is the real truth. I don’t care if you accept it, as I said, it changes nothing from the reality of you don’t. And there is nothing you can say here that will change any of this.

    You, sir, are a buffoon of monumental proportions. And a laughable one at that.

  72. Oh, well said Will! You say exactly they way it is. And poor old Sugar Plum Fairy just can’t keep up with you. Your observations about this “plum fairy” are spot on, old chap, absolutely spot on.

    And you make some truly excellent points, such as “public opinion is on our side”.

    Let me help in backing this up for you.

    A recent Gallup poll suggests support among people from 18 to 34 years old is 75 percent for acceptance of gay people in America.

    And in Europe, in a 2002 Pew Global Attitudes Project surveyed by the Pew Research Centre, showed majorities in every Western European nation said homosexuality should be accepted by society.

    A more recent survey carried out in October 2008 by The Observer affirmed that the majority of Britons – 55% – support gay marriage. Other polls show that the majority of the Irish public support civil unions, the poll showed that 84% of Irish people supported civil marriage or civil partnerships for same-sex couples. France has support for same sex marriage at 62% in the same poll.

    The Eurobarometer Poll 2005 found that, on average, 52% of the citizens of EU member states state that they believe in a god, 27% believe there is some sort of spirit or life force while 18% do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god or life force. According to a recent study (Dogan, Mattei, Religious Beliefs in Europe: Factors of Accelerated Decline), 47% of Frenchmen declared themselves as agnostic in 2003. This situation is often called “Post-Christian Europe”. A decrease in religiousness and church attendance in western Europe (especially Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden) has been noted.

    Oh dear. Looks like you were right Will. Sure looks like we’re winning, compared to the fall of the sugar plum fairies of this is world.

    His religious beliefs are as imaginary as his same implies. How ironic.

  73. Sugar Plum Fairy 4 Aug 2009, 3:23am

    W71-Yawn. The same old angry tirade. Andry and trying to inpress us with your falsehoods.

    You, sir, are a buffoon of monumental proportions. And a laughable one at that.

    Thanks for confirming my last statement “I await your supercilious and childish response to prove that you are a sad and emotionally deprived specimen of manhood.”

    W71-this none of this concerns you.

    English is obviously not your strong point

    W71-So, logically, you’re degrees are a figment of your imagination, or utter shit in quality.

    Your anger is showing Will.

    W71-You are unable to answer a direct question.

    Glad you raised the question. When am I going to get the answers to 25 questions I have asked for evidence?

    W71-not least you have homosexual obsessions.

    Do I? I must find out what they are. In the meantime I will go and spend time with my kids and grandkids. Sorry you will never know the joy of such an experience.

    W71- Hissy fits are the norm for you when no one agrees with you.

    Your life must be one big hissy fit as your anger shows everytime someone has the temerity to say “up yours”.

    W71- Its more likely they are idiots like you, or are deeply ashamed of you.

    You obviously don’t know when you haven’t got anything to say you attack the man not the ball. The number of times you do it you must be good at football, not.

    W71- have proven it your in your own world of futility.

    English grammar not your strong point Will?

    W71-You, and your kind, are a dying minority,

    Sorry to burst your bubble Will, but on average 100,000 people wordlwide are converting to Christianity.

    W71-You cannot convince us of your lies with half truths

    Evidence please!!!

    W71-(your appalling grammar and spelling shows this at least to be untrue).

    Evidence please!!!!

    W71-religion such as yours is a poison to the mind, and I find you and your “beliefs” distasteful and futile.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but my faith in God has produced no medical evidence that my mind has been poisoned.

    W71- Public opinion is on our side. Not yours.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but afraid not evidenced by the fact that approximately 100,000 people a day are converting to christianity and the churches growing at the rate of knots all shun the sin of homosexuality.

    W71-You are a vast minority.

    You can’t have a vast minority. That is an oxymoron. You can have a small minority or vast majority, but then english grammar is not your strong point.

    W71- None of your crap will wash with the greater masses

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but those churches that reject the sin of homosexuality are growing at the rate of knots.

    W71- Your brand of hate and religion is fading, and not a moment too soon

    Sorry to burst your bubble but those churches that reject the sin of homosexuality are growing faster than the churches that don’t.

    W71-We on the other hand are everywhere.

    You are not particularly interested in facts are you. 2% of the population homosexual isn’t what I would describe as “everywhere.”

    W71-I myself am a senior manager in my company.

    And I am the King of Siam.

    W71- I DO have position of power and influence when it comes to setting how gay people are treated in this company.

    Must make you feel very important. Care for a glass of champagne with me.

    C72-His religious beliefs are as imaginary as his same implies. How ironic.

    But I have the pleasure of knowing that up to 100,000 people each day are taking up these so called imaginary beliefs. Can you say that up to 100,000 a day are silly enough to take up the sadness of homosexuality?

  74. I didn’t even bother to read that load of long winded crap…. you’re so boring and repetitive. Such a powerless freak you are.

    When you come back with at least a witty remark (or an edcuated one), you’ll have my undivided attention, I promise. Until then, nothing you say will change our mind that your a sub-human angry little fool with delusions of intelligence…. VERY deluded.

    Ta Ta!

  75. Reality Check 15 Aug 2009, 2:40am

    74-I didn’t even bother to read that load of long winded crap….
    Can’t face the truth obviously.

    74-you’re so boring and repetitive.
    I have learnt it from you. Disagree with you and your deemed “homophobic” How boring is that?

    74-Such a powerless freak you are.
    I don’t try and exercise power over people, not like the gaystapo who have this strange idea that their gospel is the one truth faith.

    74-When you come back with at least a witty remark
    It would be lost on you.

    74-(or an edcuated one)
    I have forgotten how to make educated remarks to kindegarten kids.

    74-you’ll have my undivided attention, I promise.
    I didn’t know you were capable of undivided attention. I thought you spent most of your time looking for your next sex conquest.

    74-Until then, nothing you say will change our mind
    No wonder you say what you do. Your brain is set in concrete.

    74-that your a sub-human angry little fool with delusions of intelligence…. VERY deluded.
    Your anger is showing, probably because the truth hurts.

  76. St. Theresa of Avila 19 Sep 2009, 6:21am

    Wow…stories like this really bring out the angry closet cases like “Reality Check”.

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