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Archbishop of Canterbury expresses ‘regret’ over move to ordain gay bishops

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  1. Simon Murphy 13 Jul 2009, 4:34pm

    Typical. Another religious hypocrite. Oh well – thankfully this issue is causing huge damage to the credibility of the church. That can only be a good thing seeing how little of value religion adds to a society.

  2. David North 13 Jul 2009, 4:39pm

    How stupid does the old fart look.

    Whatever happened to “thy shall not worship graven images”.

    “You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” Commandment 4. Exodus 20:2-17

    If Christ was hanged instead of crucified, would the idiot be standing there with a golden noose behind him.

    Bloody idiot.

  3. The cock has crowed thrice.

  4. Bishop Ioan 13 Jul 2009, 4:42pm

    Pitiful, but what I expect. People like this worry more about the Confessing Anglicans and their tosh than standing up for truth and justice as Jesus would have him do.

  5. a mistranslated and misunderstood book is used to endorse homophobia – “homosexual” was coined in 1868 and added in 1946
    it doesn’t surprise me that this hypocrite is still homophobia – he used to live next to a gay priest and yet he still would rather support islam and evil

  6. Brian Burton 13 Jul 2009, 5:36pm

    I am pleased that Archbishop Williams is not pleased about a moratorium on ordaining Gay Bishops. One must not forget Bi-sexual bishops too. Archbishop Williams is basically a good man. His down-fall is that he tries to be all things to all people and that is not possible. Williams has been at the forfront of change in the Anglican commuity. His predecessors certainly did not have Gay protesters invading his pulpit during a important Service in the political calendar as well as the Churches own operatioal functions. William cannot divide and rule, nor can any single pressure group devide and rule the Archbishop. The rejection of the moratorium is a step foward, not backwards and I hope the critics on this thread will recognize that.

  7. How can Williams even say such a thing, … given the frock he’s wearing in that photo?

  8. And yet he argued that we should start to accomodate the worrying Islamic Sharia law into our society.

    This hypocritical, ridiculous man hurts so many young, gay and confused people when he makes spiteful statements like this, clinging to his outdated beliefs and refusing to adapt. Gay people did not choose to be gay. They are not criminals. They are human beings.

    This is just more evidence of how important it is that we need to stop giving influence/power/funding to ANY religion.

  9. Frockwit.

  10. Martin - gay clergy spouse - C of E 13 Jul 2009, 7:08pm

    What a silly statement, every time this man speaks out against gays in the church – he simply supports and patronises the homophobes that hide behind its alter cloths. This is even more offensive when those that are close to him know damnn well that Williams himself is in support of gay people, so why prat around supporting folk who are basically moralistic nazi’s? When will the man wake up and recognise that the churhc is holding back society improvements and maturity, and not helping it. The churhc has proven too many tiems to the young people of the next generations that it is unfit to give moral and spiritual guidance to modern day society – so why should we waste time having the press report such twaddle from Williams, and Ratzinger as but two representatives of two antiquated and delapidated religious hatred institutions. MND

  11. The schism between progressive christianity and backward-looking conservative christianity is completely inevitable. Everyone wants schism from liberals to evangelicals. So why is Williams so despearate to avoid schism? Because if schism comes, disestablishment is sure to follow and therefore rob him of his raison d’etre.

  12. #2

    David.

    I could not agree more..!
    What DOES he look like.?
    As in…’Wot yer like, you.!

    What does he THINK he looks like, more to the point; HE put it all on..!

    He looks like Bagpuss on a bad day..give us a break Bish..!
    How can he expect people to take him seriously dressed like that, these days..?
    Is it supposed to be power-dressing?
    Is it supposed to impress?

    It (he) just looks ridiculous, today.
    It belongs to an era before the 1914-1918 Great War.

    Silly hat; silly tat; and even sillier pronouncements.

    Keith.
    SALFORD.
    If I had any, I’d pull it out.

  13. And what does Williams think Ramsay and Runcie were…?

    Keith.

  14. Schisim sooner the better.

  15. “I am pleased that Archbishop Williams is not pleased about a moratorium on ordaining Gay Bishops.”

    er, i think Williams favours the moratorium

  16. Rowan Williams is such a traitor. He has set aside his liberal personal views in order to try to appease the nasty side of the church to stop a split. The press have never picked up on the fact that Rowan Williams once went on a gay pride march and this is now a secret. It’s time that was exposed so that people can see him for the hypocrite he is, and maybe it would force him to reveal his true opinions and offer some explanations for his behaviour. He should show a bit of backbone and stand up to the homophobes and tell them he doesn’t want their hate in the church and they should bug off and join the Catholics!

  17. I do remember Williams as a breath of fresh air and a liberal-minded prelate. Also, I think his ‘regret’ is due to the invetable schism.

    He would look better in a plain pair or trousers and colourful summer shirt, perhaps a New York Yankees baseball cap, and a well trimmed beard.

  18. As a former Episcopalian I say SPLIT ALREADY. Cut the backwards, dark ages, homophobic, mysoginistic Mother Church of England free to wallow and die in their shameful ignorance.

    And thanks a whole hell of a lot Dr. Williams, you turncoat. You will forever be known throughout history as the Archbishop who sold his soul to the devil to appease the homophobes and haters. It is one bit of comfort to know that your shameful legacy will be eternal even as you will not be.

  19. I agree with Brian Burton. Rowan Williams is trying too hard to keep sides together that really want nothing to do with each other anymore. If you recall, he himself has fairly liberal views about gay people, but is trying to be a leader over all these fundamentally disagreeing people at the same time, knowing that alienating one might cause a schism. A schism is already happening, and he’s trying hard to keep the pieces together. It’s a failing pursuit. I mean, how could anyone possibly get people like Akinola and Robinson to peacefully acknowledge and agree with each other? It’s never going to happen.

  20. Brian Burton 14 Jul 2009, 7:36am

    Dermot Dear Boy,
    Stranger things has happened! Like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Demascus. Simon Murphy reminds me regularly of his journy to Damascus. But at present, Simon reminds me of a petrified forrest. A forrest void of moisture ,dry, lifeless pointless but there. No offence ment Simon. Being a Christian, as you know, I pray for you regularly. I might call people a few names, but I do care about them. I offended your side-kick Eddy for some reason, talk to him will you Simon Dear–thanks.

  21. But there are gay Bishops already, and have been from the very beginning. I don’t understand, my head hurts !

  22. This guy is an example of why God created death. So that the old stuck in the muds would be put out of commission, and moderninity would come to pass.

    Unfortunately God screwed up. The creeps die, but they get to pass their sicknesses to some of the future generation.

  23. David North 14 Jul 2009, 9:56am

    He’s like an uber-camp Darth Vader with his face mask off.

    And behold his mighty golden saber, proud and erect with a knobbly bit on the end.

  24. Dr Williams does not want to be the Archbish who was around when the second reformation happened (perhaps he thinks he might get his head chopped off?) Sadly for him, you can’t hold back the tide of history! The Anglicans moved on and the RC Church remained the same and we had nearly 200 years of religious wars to see who was better at killing in the name of God; sound familiar????

  25. it’s really sad that, since becoming Archbishop, Williams has not demonstrated any leadership qualities. as others have said he is known to have liberal views on many issues yet these have now gone by the wayside.

    he is prepared to stand up to the disney culture but not to homophobia. it appears to me that the fundamental parts of the Anglican Communion are holding the rest of it to ransom unless their demands are met. Williams could show leadership here by naming what is happening and affirming the love of God for all people.

    it reminds me of that phrase

    when they came for the Jews, i didn’t speak out…..

    hatred grows unless people have the courage to stand up and name it. Williams is missing a very strong opportunity here to demonstrate the faith he believes in.

  26. Steven; here here!

  27. Brian Burton 15 Jul 2009, 7:36pm

    I have an idea that Archbishop williams really did not want to decent! I know he did and thats that. But reading between the lines. I think he is going to work, slow but sure, toward trying to get the rest of the ‘nasties’ on the side of common sence. This is the first positive thing anyone has said about Williams on these threads. I think he is made of sterner stuff than we imagine!

  28. The practising christians I have know are superficially nice, in a way that suggests they are following orders. Under this rather strained niceness they seem to seethe with a mixture of smugness and bitterness against those they disapprove of and often against each other.

  29. Brian Burton 16 Jul 2009, 9:31am

    Ted,
    I’m not a practising Christian, I’m really quite good at it now! You must have known some weirdos in your dealings with the Clergy etc. Christianity is what the individual makes it at the time. You do not have to go to Church to be a Christian or even a good person. The people we think are good, may infact be bad. The people we think are bad, may not be all bad. A famouse man once said: Life is like a sewer. It depends on what you put in it, as to what you get out of it!

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