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Teachers’ code reworded after faith groups complain about gay issues

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  1. It sounds as though the schools situation is going backwards. I do faear that the kind of institutionalised homophobia in schools today is breeding a younger generation who are less tolerant and more homophobic than their parents’ generation. As these people grow up they are taking these attitudes with them and the politicians in 20 years’ time will be actively persuing an anti-equality agenda.

    The mind boggles to think that there are people so mean spirited out in the world as to pick through wording on how to provide a better educational environment and find ways to erode it. It makes me despair at the evil that comes out of organised religion.

    If there are people whose faith means they do not want to promote equality and diversity then quite frankly they should be told to go away and leave the children alone! They are not the kind of people I would want to be teaching my children.

    Labour got some things right, but their stance on faith schools was a huge mistake.

  2. Sold out to bigots, while everyone wines and dines at number 10.

    If any of those so called champions of equality at Mr Browns Saturday morning reception are worth their salt, they’ll make it clear that abusing gay young people like this is totally unacceptable.

    We should be keepign a close eye on faith schools in the future, and if any religious school becomes a haven for homophobia, then let’s name and shame them.

  3. It’s more important to stop “promoting” cults in school.

  4. I’m afraid faith schools are a definate route to inequality. Parents from any of these schools whose children use hate words such as poof, pooftah or whatever should be fined as well as named and shamed. We have to do all we can to put a stop to bullying in schools and parent bigotry.

  5. Simon Murphy 2 Jul 2009, 3:31pm

    There should be no state funding to ANY religious school. Church and state should be separate. These cancerous religions need to realise that their hatred will lead to a loss of funding. That will teach them some sense as religion is big business.

  6. vulpus_rex 2 Jul 2009, 3:59pm

    The General Teaching Council should tell the schools concerned to get stuffed or give back their state funding.

    Promoting equality is not the same as promoting homosexuality and it is a deliberate misinterpretation of the code to represent it as such.

    You’d think that one historically persecuted minority might have some sympathy for another.

  7. Mihangel apYrs 2 Jul 2009, 4:13pm

    nice way to institutonalise prejudice. The GTCE is pandering to bigots and will thus allow subvert bigotry. No gay child is safe now if teachers don’t have to try and change the views of bullies – hell they will be turning even more blind eyes than they do now.

    All the teachers’ unions ought to be making representations

  8. Brian Burton 2 Jul 2009, 4:53pm

    All Children are impressionable and will accept homophobia as normal, if taught it by their Teacher! And even their Parents!

  9. Paul Brownsey 2 Jul 2009, 5:55pm

    I’m wondering what would be covered by “promoting equality and diversity” that wouldn’t also be covered by “demonstrating respect for equality and diversity”. Neither would seem to be consistent with not intervening to stop homophobic bullying. Perhaps the difference has to do with taking initiatives and being pro-active as distinct from merely fresponding to events: perhaps “promoting” more strongly suggests the former. On the other hand, in some lights *demonstrating* respect can seem a more stringent requirement: teachers have actually to *demonstrate* that they respect equality and diversity.

  10. Don’t worry – as a gay teacher I make a point of not promoting religion at all, instead promoting logical thought and free thinking, tolerance and respect for everyone. Yes, respect and tolerance for poor deluded religious bigots, as well. But no promotion.

    I can hardly blame the religious bigots for feeling the same way I do…

  11. Vo DongCung 2 Jul 2009, 8:43pm

    I agree with you Maria. They must keep in their minds that the faith they based on is not the faith of more than 6 billion human being on this planet

  12. I can’t see that teaching children that homosexuality is a sin is “demonstrating respect for equality and diversity”.

    Anyway, religion is a choice, being gay isn’t.

  13. I wouldn’t worry too much. No established teacher takes the slightest bit of notice of the GTC, (or whatever the Quango is called at the moment). The literature goes straight in the bin, and the compulsory subscription has to be confiscated directly out of our salary as none of us will pay it voluntarily. So any “code” it comes up with, of whatever type, will be utterly ignored day to day – whatever pandering to screaming religious nutters the government tries to do.

  14. It’s quite clear that with this ruling, the GTCE have put the beliefs of a minority of crackpot fanatics above the human rights of children, hostage to potentially dangerous ideas of teachers.

  15. Homophobia against gay and lesbian young people at school is child abuse is child abuse plain and simple. I am a gay teacher and I do not tolerate any form of homophobic abuse or any other form of abuse against young people. If I see it or hear about it I put a stop to it – it is that simple. I teach the students in my charge about the full LGBT package and invite discussion and questions on any aspect of it. I live in Europe and under EU law we as teachers are required to do this and I welcome the opportunity to do whatever I can to promote acceptance of the LGBT Community and demonstrate through my own behaviour and other examples that I use, that it is ok to be gay. I teach young people and adults. Religion does crop up from from time to time in the discussions and it is then that I show the students that in fact being gay is not condemned in the New Testament at all, in fact the opposite is the case. I feel that most people know very little about the gay community and what being gay is all about. Steriotype entrenched teaching from ‘christian churches’ has created the gap between gay and straight that we gays are now trying to overcome – so ‘Mind the gap’

  16. Education should not “promote” anything. It should merely offer the facts and let the pupils draw their own conclusions. This ranges from religious education to Hitler. Merely mentioning subjects cannot be regarded in itself as promotion.

    It is this factor that caused such a furore over Section 28, and it is a word that was totally misinterpreted. I agree homosexuality should NOT be promoted. It should be explained.

  17. So we are back to that potty old phrase “promoting homosexuality” (Section 28 anyone?) as if it were a washing powder or cat food; you can’t make someone gay by “promoting homosexuality”. If people are so worried about being “turned” what does that say about their own sexuality!

  18. Commander Thor 3 Jul 2009, 9:06am

    “Promoting equality and respect for diversity” would have been better.

  19. the original version was better
    I don’t like how much pandering to religion occurs as religion’s like christianity is why there’s so much homophobia

  20. i agree with mike. this is worryingly close to the debate that triggered section 28 – all around the use of the work promote. faith groups seem to be cynically manipulating language again. promoting equality and diversity means educating children in difference and giving them the skills to live with difference. it does not mean putting homosexuality above anything else.

    and in a society where i can now phone the police if someone is giving me homophobic abuse and they will respond it seems odd that in schools people in authority are allowed to denigrate homosexuality. however, anyone teaching that homosexuality is wrong is also falling foul of the new wording by not demonstrating respect for equality and diversity. it remains to be seen if the gtce will enforce this.

    and why are state funded schools being allowed to teach values at odds with human rights enshrined in law in the country. this seems very odd.

  21. Reality Check 6 Jul 2009, 3:22am

    TONY – They are not the kind of people I would want to be teaching my children.

    The fact is that there are thousands of parents who do want these teachers instructing their children. It is called “freedom of choice” which I am sure you would agree with. Being homosexual your statement is academic as you won’t have children.

    TP – they’ll make it clear that abusing gay young people like this is totally unacceptable.

    From what I hear they do.

    TP – We should be keepign a close eye on faith schools in the future, and if any religious school becomes a haven for homophobia, then let’s name and shame them.

    You will be wasting your time because these schools are not a haven for so called “homophobia.” They just have a different viewpoint to the gospel according to the gaystapo which you commonly refer to as “homophobia” which it isn’t.

    ALLEN – Parents from any of these schools whose children use hate words such as poof, pooftah or whatever should be fined

    Perhaps we should fine the gaystapo that use hate words and terms such as
    Deranged Fundamentalist Christian
    She is a bigoted bitch.
    Screaming religious nutters
    Poor deluded religious bigots

    ALLEN – We have to do all we can to put a stop to bullying in schools and parent bigotry.

    And what do you intend to do, bearing in mind that most of the bullying goes on in the State system?

    SM – There should be no state funding to ANY religious school.

    Then you will have to cut funding to state school because they teach the religion of secular humanism.

    VR – Promoting equality is not the same as promoting homosexuality

    Yes it is as you insist that homosexuals are not equal so if you are going to promote equality you have to promote the claims of homosexuals.

    VR – You’d think that one historically persecuted minority might have some sympathy for another.

    They do that is why they provide a way out of homosexuality.

    MY – No gay child is safe now if teachers don’t have to try and change the views of bullies –

    You obviously have no idea how the school system works. In the Christian school I worked in no one was bullied, full stop, and the one homosexual boy we had was treated no differently to anyone else. But then, facts are not high on your agenda are they.

    BB – All Children are impressionable and will accept homophobia as normal, if taught it by their Teacher! And even their Parents!

    Can we have some evidence this is happening please?

    VDC – They must keep in their minds that the faith they based on is not the faith of more than 6 billion human being on this planet

    Suffering from Truthphobia are we? At the last count of the six billion people on earth about 50% of them embrace the Christian faith.

    I – Anyway, religion is a choice, being gay isn’t.

    Yes it is. Another factor from my experience as a close observer of the “ex-gay” phenomenon is that many former homosexuals do not linger in “reparative therapy” programs, or participate in them at all. They attribute their dramatic and (relatively) rapid transformation to the power of God, and likely would not show up in a study of this kind. In fact, these “unstudied” overcomers would appear to be the most successful ex-homosexuals because they’ve moved on with their lives — as “reborn” Christians move on after overcoming any besetting sin.

    TP – It’s quite clear that with this ruling, the GTCE have put the beliefs of a minority of crackpot fanatics above the human rights of children,

    I suppose that will even out the government putting the beliefs of the minority homonazis above the rights of children.

  22. Reality Check 7 Jul 2009, 1:19am

    RICH – Homophobia against gay and lesbian young people at school is child abuse is child abuse plain and simple.

    Being afraid of homosexuals is child abuse!!! Accusing children of being afraid of homosexuals is child abuse.

    RICH – Religion does crop up from from time to time in the discussions and it is then that I show the students that in fact being gay is not condemned in the New Testament at all,

    I am happy to say that the bible is full of stories about people who are gay and happy and lots of fun. Funny that not one of them is a homosexual.

    RICH – in fact the opposite is the case.

    Evidence please!! (not opinion)

    RICH – Steriotype entrenched teaching from ‘christian churches’

    Anf what is that? I bet you can’t give me one example that is true.

    RN – Education should not “promote” anything.

    Then why does it promote evolution and secular humanism?

    MIKE – you can’t make someone gay by “promoting homosexuality”.

    But you can make someone believe that it is normal, which it isn’t.

    C – I don’t like how much pandering to religion occurs as religion’s like christianity is why there’s so much homophobia

    And we don’t like pandering to the gaystapo who say that unless we accept what they say we are homophobic which we are not. If we were we would not provide ministries that homosexuals can attend to kick the habit.

    S – faith groups seem to be cynically manipulating language again.

    Just like the gaystapo do by saying that you are homophobic if you disagree with them despite the fact that the dictionary makes it quite clear it is a fear of homosexuals.

    S – it seems odd that in schools people in authority are allowed to denigrate homosexuality.

    How do they do this? (proof please not opinion)

    S – anyone teaching that homosexuality is wrong is also falling foul of the new wording by not demonstrating respect for equality and diversity.

    Respect for E & D is wrong if it means that you are not allowed to tell the truth. It is known as political correctness which is used to silence people when they don’t agree with you.

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