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Northern Ireland pastor calls homosexuality ‘an abomination’

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  1. No surprise with this really. We all know that Ulster is probably the most racist and homophobic part of Europe…

  2. No surprise with this really, it just confirms Ulster as the most homophobic and racist place in Europe… and that is me speaking as a North Antrim man.

  3. As subtle as a flying mallet.

  4. As subtle as a flying mallet. Also a badly written article.

  5. Not worth commenting on, is it?
    All old hat.
    You’d have more luck getting thro’ to David Skinner…
    K
    SALFORD

  6. Commander Thor 22 Jun 2009, 6:12pm

    “When those in the gay community look around – seeing a young husband and wife with a pram and a baby, an older husband and wife holding hands, churches preaching that it is God’s plan ‘for one man to be with one woman till death do us part’ – they are reminded that they are wrong, plainly and simply.”

    No, they are reminded of what is being kept away from them, denying them a partner in life, denying them a loving family, plainly and simply.

  7. Good to see he is being lambasted by all the locals. The church’s website has lots of loony stuff on it too – about whay Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, 7th day adventists aren’t proper christians (nothing curiously, on catholics…) screeds against muslims as well. Run of the mill stuff, really.

    All in all, a bit of a crank.

  8. Brian Burton 22 Jun 2009, 7:48pm

    Oh! BJeasus, To be shure me boys ’tis a sin begorra, begorra.
    Not another ABOMINATION! warrior? Like the Band ‘The Dubliners’ sang some years ago: “Yer Drunk, Yer Drunk, Yer Silly old Fool. Yer Drunk, Yer Drunk Says I….”

  9. No surprise… keep in mind that recently Romanians underwent a horrific racial attack by some people in Northern Ireland demonstrating their tolerance. Its up to the people in the Province to stand up to this crap and put an end to this intolerance and people like this so called “Pastor”….

    …I won’t hold my breath though.

  10. “He ended his letter with an apparent comparison of the gay movement to Nazism, saying: “Hitler said that the lies most easily believed were the biggest, loudest and most repeated.”

    Indeed… and did the irony of this reference get missed by the learned pastor, given gays were the first victims of the nazi regime?

    Sickening. This man is beneath contempt.

  11. “He ended his letter with an apparent comparison of the gay movement to Nazism, saying: “Hitler said that the lies most easily believed were the biggest, loudest and most repeated.”

    Indeed… and did the irony of this reference get missed by the learned pastor, given gays were the first victims of the nazi regime, and the last to be recognised?

    Sickening. This man is beneath contempt.

  12. Shia: “Sickening. This man is beneath contempt”

    You took the words right out of my mouth. But, of course, ‘religion’ allows everyone to be as bigoted as they want as long as they say that it’s what their god wants.

  13. Even if Ulster is homophobic it’s still a lot less than what I had to deal with in the US…

  14. @ Taiga, from what I saw when I lived in the US state of Indiana, this pastor would feel right at home there.

  15. BrazilGayScene 23 Jun 2009, 2:24am

    I would say that the only ‘abomination’ here is this ‘pastors’ prehistoric views..

  16. Woo hoo. Every time I read about some loudmouth homophobe gassing on that being gay is a choice (“dabble,” “impulsive”), the first thing that comes to mind is he must think it’s a pretty easy, tempting deal, like cheating on taxes, and most likely is terrified that those urges he keeps bottling up may one day get the better of him. And ffs, why does anyone here give a damn about Al Sharpton? What comes out of his mouth on this subject is pretty predictable and interesting only to those who use it to bolster their own wretched, judgmental bigotry.

  17. Edward in Los Angeles 23 Jun 2009, 4:37am

    That priest should be charged with a hate crime.

  18. When are the Irish going to get over religion?????

  19. “When are the Irish going to get over religion?????”

    That’s a rather large, and somewhat outdated, generalisation Brenton.

    You mean when are the NORTHERN Irish going to get over religion. The Republic is very much past the clutches of catholicism. Its a bit like saying, when will the British get over Imperialism.

  20. Tiglathpileser 23 Jun 2009, 7:35am

    ["He ended his letter with an apparent comparison of the gay movement to Nazism, saying: "Hitler said that the lies most easily believed were the biggest, loudest and most repeated."
    Indeed… and did the irony of this reference get missed by the learned pastor]

    The irony of this statement has been missed by the gaystapo. What is their favourite word? HOMOPHOBIA!!! which is uesd when you disagree with them, which as we all know if we read a dictionary is a complete and utter lie as homophobia is a fear of homosexuals, not a dissagreemnt with them.

    Far from being afraid of them, people who disagree with you are full of courage as you are so intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you.

    Perhaps we need to start calling you a “truthphobic”, one who is afraid of the truth and I bet some smart alec will respond and prove every word I have said is right.

  21. As as been commented, no real suprise here given the last 30 years or so of hatred and oh so ironic to see Martyne McGuiness speaking so well about not allowing hatred in N Ireland (still can’t wok out if the Romanians were Catholic or Protestant or just “foreign”)

  22. “He ended his letter with an apparent comparison of the gay movement to Nazism, saying: “Hitler said that the lies most easily believed were the biggest, loudest and most repeated.” quote

    And what is the biggest, loudest, and longest lived lie in the history of mankind?

    The divinity of Jesus of Nazarath. Probably a good man, whose life has been twisted into the single greatest source of hatred justification in the western world.

    the church gave the world 14 crusades against the Muslims during the period 900-1500 AD. upwards of 50 million people were murdered in the name of this Christian God. Their society was poisoned, and this is still remembered, eg 9/11, the train bombings etc.

    This church gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people. Which the good Catholic Hitler leveraged into total power, and gave us WWII and 50 million more deaths.

    And of course these so called christians of love have found another group to hate, if you don’t prostate yourself to their fairy tales and superstitions.

    Oh for the day when Christianity is exposed for the world to see. If only the world lives long enough, given all the religious based hatreds that exist. Hatreds which give them mind control, power, mnoney and control. Which is what they are all about.

  23. Jesus of Nazareth 23 Jun 2009, 9:30am

    We must all puke on these so called christians who think they define God.

    They forget that “we are all made in His Image” and Judge not lest ye be judged.

    They will burn in my Fathers re-education camp for eternity – the leaders of the true abomination, who desicrate everything my life on Earth stood for as a message of love for all of My Father’s creation.

  24. @tiglathpileser – wow, at it again with your ‘facts’. Check any dictionary and you’ll find that homophobia is not simply about fear but about hatred or even dislike of gay people. Standing in a pulpit and railing against a minority which has faced and still faces discrimination and worse seems to fit that definition for me and the idea that it is somehow brave just boggles the mind. Why on earth gay people should be tolerant of those who call us an abomination also boggles the mind.

    It always amazes me that they don’t go the whole way and call for us to be stoned to death, after all, that’s the punishment that the Bible requires. Why do lunatics like this pastor cling to the abomination bit but not the death bit? Is it because their arguments would be shown up to be the nasty, ignorant and ludicrous gay bashing nonsense that they really are?

  25. Simon Murphy 23 Jun 2009, 10:53am

    His email address is mark.bradfield@btinternet.com

  26. The only “truthphobic” people here are people like you, Tiglathpileser, and other religious freaks who warp the truth and persecute to feed their own insecurities. You wouldn’t see the truth if it got up and smacked you. How blind you are to the real teachings of Jesus. Ignorance is a way of life for you.

  27. “Truthphobic”????

    How long did it take you to make that one up.

    And is that why you deleted the last line of my quote, Tiglathpileser, the line that makes sense? The line that references the persecution of gays during the nazi period?

    I said “did the irony of this reference get missed by the learned pastor, given gays were the first victims of the nazi regime, and the last to be recognised?

    Are you denying that gay people were killed in the death camps? Wanted to hide that bit, did you? And WE’RE supposed to be fearful of the truth????

    Don’t make me laugh.

    Jesus said “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”. As you are a feverish persecutor of gays, denying their rights as humans and denying the persecution they suffered throughout history, it looks like you’re the one going to burn in hell. You’re the sinner. You’re the lost one. And I pity you.

  28. Simon Murphy 23 Jun 2009, 1:00pm

    Drop him a line at mark.bradfield@btinternet.com to tell him what you think about him and his religion.

  29. Tiglathpileser: take what you or any other homophobic bigot says about gays and replace gay with black. ‘Nuff said.

  30. Brian Burton 26 Jun 2009, 11:16am

    JESUS OF NAZERETH,
    We want no false Prophet on the Pink News Site….So Impshe!

  31. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 3:31am

    “Woo hoo. Every time I read about some loudmouth homophobe gassing on that being gay is a choice (“dabble,” “impulsive”), the first thing that comes to mind is he must think it’s a pretty easy, tempting deal, like cheating on taxes, and most likely is terrified that those urges he keeps bottling up may one day get the better of him” by Richard who is suffering from truthphobia.

    A common argument is that an inclination to homosexuality is inborn and immutable. It is widely believed that the public will become more accepting of homosexuality if they are convinced that it is inborn and immutable. For example, neuroscientist and homosexual Simon Levay stated: “…people who think that gays and lesbians are born that way are also more likely to support gay rights.”

    Research into the issue of the origins of homosexuality suggests that adoptive brothers are more likely to both be homosexuals than the biological brothers, who share half their genes which suggests that homosexuality is not genetically caused. This data prompted the journal Science to report “this . . . suggests that there is no genetic component, but rather an environmental component shared in families”. However, in regards to psychosocial and biological theories in regards to the origin of homosexuality, Columbia University psychiatry professors Drs. William Byrne and Bruce Parsons stated in 1994: “There is no evidence that at present to substantiate a biological theory. The appeal of current biological explanations for sexual orientation may derive more from dissatisfaction with the present status of psychosocial explanations than from a substantiating body of experimental data”.

    Dr. Tahir I. Jaz, M.D., Winnipeg, Canada states: “The increasing claims of being “born that way” parallels the rising political activism of homosexual organizations, who politicize the issue of homosexual origins. In the 1970s, approximately ten percent of homosexuals claimed to be “born homosexual” according to a large scale survey….However, in a survey in the 1980s, with the homosexual rights movement increasingly becoming active, thirty-five percent claimed to be born that way. That means 65% do not consider themselves born homosexual.

  32. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 4:00am

    “upwards of 50 million people were murdered in the name of this Christian God.” Steven MD2 another victim of truthphobia.

    Another generalization picked out of the air to build an unsustainable case. Can I have some evidence for this number as I haven’t found it yet in the history books?

    This church gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people.

    The Jews have admitted that one the greatest allies they have is “Christians United for Israel”

    “ Which the good Catholic Hitler leveraged into total power, and gave us WWII and 50 million more deaths.”

    So boring. Hitler was not a “good catholic” He was raised by Catholic parents and he said the things that he knew would get the Catholics on side, but he was never one himself. I thought you would have known that being people who deny that they are befuddled by truthphobia. But then, you certainly prove the point that you don’t ruin a good story by telling the truth.

    “And of course these so called christians of love have found another group to hate, if you don’t prostate yourself to their fairy tales and superstitions.”

    Unfortunately your rejection blinds you to reality. Very few Christians hate homosexuals. Their dialogue is related to homosexuality. At the same time it is very clear that the gaystapo are the cause of various expression of hate towards others if they don’t prostrate themselves before the fairy tales and superstition of homonazi demands.

    “Oh for the day when Christianity is exposed for the world to see.”

    It is, that is why it is the fastest growing religion in the world. It is estimated that up to 100,000 a day are converting to Christianity. Not surprising as it is a religion based on love and acceptance. Not one where you have to earn your salvation like all the others. At the same time the church is at the forefront of care for the disadvantaged and dispossessed. People who are not biased and angry see these things every day.

    “Hatreds which give them mind control, power, mnoney and control. Which is what they are all about.”

    Is that wishful thinking or solid facts which can be backed up. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to what those facts are otherwise my comment about your truthphobia stands.

  33. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 4:05am

    “We must all puke on these so called christians who think they define God.” Jesus of Nazareth who is a victim of truthphobia.

    A typical, immature, and childish comment to bolster the ego of a homosexual suffering the ravages of rejection and trying to cover the damage it has done.

  34. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 4:18am

    “Check any dictionary and you’ll find that homophobia is not simply about fear but about hatred or even dislike of gay people” marjangles

    Homophobia (from Greek homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia) is an “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals”,[1] or individuals perceived to be homosexual; it is also defined as “unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality”,”fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men”, as well as “behavior based on such a feeling”.[2] It is defined by behavior (such as discrimination) as well as motivation (such as fear, antipathy or contempt).[2] Homophobic is the adjective form of this term used to describe the qualities of these characteristics, while homophobe is the noun form given as a title to individuals labeled with homophobic characteristics. Homophobia was first used with its modern meaning in 1971, although it was coined in the mid-1950s. Use of the word has been criticized as pejorative against those with differing value positions, with several researchers proposing alternative words to describe prejudice and discrimination against gays and lesbians. The term “internalized homophobia” is used to describe a prejudice against one’s own homosexuality.

    homophobia: unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

    Society’s rethinking of sexual orientation was crystallized in the term homophobia, which heterosexual psychologist George Weinberg coined in the late 1960s. Weinberg used homophobia to label heterosexuals’ dread of being in close quarters with homosexuals as well as homosexuals’ self loathing. The word first appeared in print in 1969 and was subsequently discussed at length in Weinberg’s 1972 book, Society and the Healthy Homosexual.

    The American Heritage Dictionary (1992 edition) defines homophobia as “aversion to gay or homosexual people or their lifestyle or culture” and “behavior or an act based on this aversion.” Other definitions identify homophobia as an irrational fear of homosexuality.

    “Standing in a pulpit and railing against a minority which has faced and still faces discrimination and worse seems to fit that definition for me and the idea that it is somehow brave just boggles the mind.”

    Can you tell me the names of the ministers that have done this or is truthphobia taking you over?

  35. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 4:24am

    “You wouldn’t see the truth if it got up and smacked you.” The Right Reverend Will

    Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man can come to the father but by me.” John 14:6. Is this the truth that you are talking about?

    “How blind you are to the real teachings of Jesus”

    And what are they Reverend Will or is it another of your throwaway lines born on the wings of your truthphobia?

  36. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 4:34am

    “Are you denying that gay people were killed in the death camps? Wanted to hide that bit, did you? And WE’RE supposed to be fearful of the truth????” Shia another truthphobic.

    No, it is just another one of your beatups. The truth is the death of gypsies, Jews, Christians and the disabled were all part of Hitler’s superior race plan, so you don’t have a monopoly on the matter.

    Jesus said “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”. As you are a feverish persecutor of gays, denying their rights as humans and denying the persecution they suffered throughout history, it looks like you’re the one going to burn in hell. You’re the sinner. You’re the lost one. And I pity you.

    From this comment I assume you believe that homosexuals are righteous, and that anyone who does not agree with the gaystapo is persecuting them. If that is the case, you are totally deluded, probably because of your truthphobia.

    I agree I am a sinner and was lost but since I became a believer by embracing the salvation that Jesus offers, I have been assured that heaven will be my destination, not hell.

    You don’t need to pity me because I have abundant life and if I die tomorrow, I know where I am going. Do you?

  37. Tiglathpileser 29 Jun 2009, 4:41am

    “Tiglathpileser: take what you or any other homophobic bigot says about gays and replace gay with black. ‘Nuff said.” Richard another one with truthphobia.

    There is that word “homophobic” again. I have never heard of a needle sticking in one groove for so long.

    There’s that word “bigot” again. Another stuck needle, especially as it describes yourself.

    Replace homosexual with black!!! Don’t be so insulting to Blacks.What is your next joke going to be? Blacks are blacks because they are born black. Homosexuals have a same sex attraction because of an emotional deficiency created in their childhood. Common knowledge so how come you are totally ignorant of the fact or is a case of your truthphobia kicking in?

  38. “I have been assured that heaven will be my destination, not hell.”

    How do you know this information? Who assured you this?

    “..I have abundant life and if I die tomorrow, I know where I am going. Do you?”

    How do you know this information? And what are you waiting for?

    [The supposed] Jesus [reportedly] said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man can come to the father but by me.” John 14:6.

    - How do you know it’s true? Where is the evidence? Prove it.

    Don’t go any further in this discussion till you give coherent answers to the above questions.

    PS Tigalethpileser – You debate like a child (‘anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi’) – how old are you actually?

  39. “Homosexuals have a same sex attraction because of an emotional deficiency created in their childhood.”

    And stupid people have stupidity because of a learning deficiency created in their childhood.

    Is their any point in lowering ourselves to discussion anything with a man who says “very few Christians hate homosexuals, their dialogue is related to homosexuality” and then uses a word like “homonazi” to demean those he claims not to hate? Ironic his use of a term like “nazi” when he’s own views are not far from those of nazi “Doctor” Carl Vaernet used gay men for scientific experiments and had remarkably similar homophobic and unscientific ideals to Tiglathpileser.

    I have one word for that: hypocrisy.

    And hypocrisy is the staple diet of poorly educated religious people and bigots.

  40. If there weren’t presbyterian british in the North and it was part of the Republic, Northern Ireland would be more tolerant because almost all the homophobic politicians (in Northern Ireland) are presbyterian unionists. In addition, In the Republic of Ireland the hate speech are banned and there is more acceptance so only when Northern Ireland leave the UK and join the Republic it would be more tolerant and these things won’t happen so frequently.

    PS: I’m not Irish, I’m Spanish.

  41. Brian Burton 29 Jun 2009, 5:03pm

    The Trouble with Irland is There are too many Catholics and Too many Protestants and not enough Christians!…(I deliberatley did not say ‘northern’ because I only recognise the Island of Irland.)

  42. Tiglathpileser 1 Jul 2009, 11:14am

    “And hypocrisy is the staple diet of poorly educated religious people and bigots.”

    You must have a very low self esteem if that is the best you can do in terms of intelligent comment.

  43. Tiglathpileser 1 Jul 2009, 11:16am

    “Don’t go any further in this discussion till you give coherent answers to the above questions.”

    All three are found in the New Testament, but being a God hater, I doubt if this fact will even get as far as your brain because your anger and bigotry does not allow it to absorb rational evidence and I have no doubt you will make some banal comment to prove what I have just said.

    “P.S Tigalethpileser – You debate like a child (‘anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi’) – how old are you actually?”

    P.S. Here are some of the words your lot uses to try and ridicule those who do not agree with you….

    dim witted fundamentalist

    religofacists

    YOU CLAPPED OUT TERRORIST

    deranged Fundamentalist Christian

    I guess when you are motivated by anger, that is the best you can do and why nobody takes you seriously.

  44. Tiglathpileser 1 Jul 2009, 11:21am

    “to demean those he claims not to hate?”
    I don’t have to demean you as you are are very good at doing it yourself.

    I am still waiting for as answer to this question…

    Can you tell me the names of the ministers that have done this or is truthphobia taking you over?

    “And stupid people have stupidity because of a learning deficiency created in their childhood.”

    And the homonazi are homosexual because they prefer to believe a lie.

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