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  1. Simon Murphy 17 Jun 2009, 3:56pm

    And what are Mousavi’s policies on LGBT rights. Unless he is a supporter of LGBT rights (and this seems highly unlikely) I wouldn’t see any benefit in joining a protest. Iran is a murderously homophobic country. What are his policies on LGBT rights? I expect they are pretty evil seeing as Iran is such a strict muslim country.

  2. Brian Burton 17 Jun 2009, 4:05pm

    Well this is a so-called free Country. Join the LGBT demo by all means. You can only be ‘Tasered’ or cracked on the head with a riot stick!….No Thanks!

  3. Simon Murphy 17 Jun 2009, 4:11pm

    And even if this dude Mousavi gets into power instead of Ahmedinijad then what guarantee do we have that he won’t continue the execution of LGBT people. Campaigning for a murderously evil b@stard to replace another murderously evil b@stard is a waste of time.

  4. ‘Iran’ is not the theocratic dictatorship that has taken over the country, Simon. If there is ever a time to make a stand for our LGBT comrades in that country, it is now. The road to emancipation begins with freedom of expression and the right to fair representation.

  5. Simon Murphy 17 Jun 2009, 4:32pm

    The Ayatollah Khamenei is the ultimate ruler of Iran – not the president. Regardless of who the president is they have to abide by the Ayatollah’s interpretation of islam. And the Ayatollah believes that GLB people deserve death. Transgendered people are better off in Iran than GLB people as the Ayatollah has decreed that they are to be regarded as the gender of their choice. As a result a LOT of gay men in Iran have transitioned to women even though they would not fit the western standard of a trans person. The BBC had a documentary on these trans people who admitted they only changed gender to avoid the persecution they faced for being gay. These trans people face isolation from their families; find it difficult to get employment except in the sex industry but at least they do not face execution for their sexuality.

    Regardless of who the president is, GLB people face horrendous discrimination in that country.

  6. Join demonstrations? Are you fxxxing kidding me? We are speaking about a mere dispute between two evils here. Election in that county have always been and still will be joke, cause it can decide nothing. If Moussavi wins this mess –what I highly doubt- what will you say when LGBT is still being executed? That you were thinking about some kind of greater good? What’s worst than the genocide that LGBT face there? Come on people, get back to your senses.

  7. If I was to march it would be on parliament to remove Brown and restore UK democracy. I hope the people of this country gets some ideas from the Iranian people.

  8. Simon Murphy 17 Jun 2009, 8:32pm

    Mousavi is regarded as the ‘reformist’ candidate but actually this simply means ‘economically reformist’ ie will he sell allow more foreign investment in Iran; will he do deals to sell Iranian oil and gas to the west at advantageous rates; will he tone down the Holocaust denial? Mousavi has no power to remove the moral police. Until the ayatollah reforms then it doesn’t matter a great deal who the president is. the situation for women and gays will remain grim.

    And this protest doesn’t take into account the strong likelihood that Ahmadinejad won the election fair and square. He enjoys strong support in the vast rural areas and among the urban poor. Voting discrepancies and fraud are of course possible but Ahmadinejad was the strong favourite to win anyway.

  9. “As a matter of principle, we should support this epic mass movement for fair votes, personal liberty, social justice and human rights.”

    Forget all this nonsense about what Mousavi stands for. This is not a protest for a particular candidate, but a protest for freedom, for the right to dissent, against the arrest of journalists. We have a duty to be there. I’m going for sure.

  10. Simon Murphy 18 Jun 2009, 10:43am

    #9: AdrianT: “This is not a protest for a particular candidate, but a protest for freedom, for the right to dissent, against the arrest of journalists. We have a duty to be there.”

    Fair enough but do bear in mind that regardless of who eventually becomes president of Iran there will still be no freedom to dissent and women and gay rights are not going to improve. And also remember that the Iranian regime doesn’t care 1 iota how people in Britain view them.

  11. Why the hell would I want to back a US-pushed ‘regime change’ in Iran??? (Google former Us Ambassador Joh Bolton if you don’t believe me, here are some of his quotes, from a site: “Bolton said that while there are ‘obviously risks associated’ with a strike on Iran, the risks of not doing something are ‘far higher’ at this point.” Bolton also maintains “war against Iraq ‘did work’ and ‘achieved our strategic objective.’ Moreover, he has openly stated that the U.S. should have no interest in the well-being of Iraqis.” I think ‘strategic objective’ is the main clue here.)

    Do I like the fundamentalist laws? No. Do I like how they treat women? No.

    But then do I like the fact that WE installed the oppressive Shah Of Iran and Gestapo-like security force SAVAC (responsible for mass murder/torture) just to get our hands on THEIR oil??? NO. (The Iranian’s overthrew this Western stooge, but at a cost, namely the Ayatollahs).

    THIS HAS THE CIA/MI6 AND MOSSAD WRITTEN ALL OVER IT:

    Have I failed to notice that nearly all of the signs/banners/flyers these 100,000 thousand (remember, Iran has a population of nearly 70 MILLION) have banners in English????No.

    Have I failed to notice that the U.S sponsored ‘revolutions’ in the Ukraine and Georgia (to get them away from Russia’s influence) were also colour coded for effect? No.

    It’s fucking ridiculous. Regime change, and I mean proper regime change, should come solely from within and should reflect the will of the MAJORITY of the people. (who when polled by two actual independent Yanks weeks before, supported Ahmadinejad 2 to 1)These protestors are opposition supporters, Westernised students (a minority) and other groups egged on by Washington. We need to stop interfearing in other country’s affairs.

    And before anyone says ‘It’s an oppressive regime’ – I know that, but so is Saudi Arabia, so why not push for revolution there? Ah yes because they’re a nice little friend who sell us their oil. Why not overthrow half the governments in Africa who stand by idly or assist whilst tribes kill and rape? Ah yes because there is no oil there.

    Wake up everyone. The West is not doing this out of the goodness of it’s heart.

  12. Guys I repeat what I said before: If you join this useless demonstrations –as gay individuals that we are, and this is the whole point here- bare in mind that the candidate you intend to support –in the name of the right of dissent, blah, blah, blah- gives a sxit for the killing of gays in his country. Don’t get confuse. I you are going to support something, let it be the real thing. Not this “the less worse of to evils” that makes nothing for the horrific suffering of hundred of thousands of gays there.
    Next time you think about backing up a foreign candidate, make a little research. A little, not much.

  13. OK simon…. anyway I’m off and I’m bloody late as usual… always the phone goes when i want to shut up shop!!!

  14. The new candidate may not be perfect but it’d be better with him in power than Ahmadinejad. Until 1979 Iran was becoming westernised with the British backed Shah etc (although to be fair, there was some corruption)..then the Islamic Revolution came along. This protest may be the beginning of the long road to bringing Iran forward again out of the medieval darkages of barbarity that it’s lived under for 30 years. It won’t happen overnight, but favouring this new candidate is a small step towards greater freedom/demoracy away from the hardline Islamic rule. The hardliners support Ahmadinejad, that’s all you need to know. The only way the ayatollahs will ever be removed is if we get progressively more liberal leaders voted by the PEOPLE, who are becoming sick and tired of the hypocrisy and oppression.

  15. As the Tamils pack up their tents in Parliament square and head home, the Iranians move in…

    I understand these international concerns, but frankly, what the hell has it got to do with us? Who are we supposed to be demonstrating *to*? Our government is not likely to stick it’s hand in that wasps nest, and to be honest, it’s none of our damn business anyway.

    On top of that, to seriously consider a bunch of LGBT people running alongside Iranians who are well known for their opinions on homosexuality is not only hypocritical, it’s downright bloody dangerous.

    If these people want to demonstrate, I suggest they go back to Tehran and complain there, and not do it in this country. I suspect there might be a little more than “Move along please” if they try.

  16. Brian Burton 18 Jun 2009, 8:52pm

    RobN,

    Typical cowardly position from you, expected though, you did’nt diapoint, you ‘Sissy.’

  17. Simon Murphy 19 Jun 2009, 9:43am

    #14: JOhn: “The new candidate may not be perfect but it’d be better with him in power than Ahmadinejad. Until 1979 Iran was becoming westernised with the British backed Shah etc”

    John – you need to do some research on Iran. The ‘British backed Shah’ was a murderous tyrant who was backed by the west because he allowed open trade between Iran and the West. There was actually a democratic revolution in Iran in the 1940’s/50’s but the West conspired to overthrow that as the new government was not too willing to accommodate western business concerns. The US helped to overthrow the democracy and install the murderous Shah.

    And I somehow doubt that Iranians would trust anything from western politicians seeing as it was the West who provided so much money and weapons to Saddam in the 1980’s to use against Iran (it’s estimated that Saddam gassed 150,000 Iranians for which he was never tried even after his capture as that would have raised awkward questions about who supplied the gas etc).

    The regime in Iran is vile for sure but must ONLY be changed if the Iranians want it. And by all accounts Ahmedinijad won the election.

    This protest at the Embassy is a waste of time.

  18. I’ll say it again, as some people here are still gullible enough to believe that:

    A) This is a ‘spontaneous’ event.

    B) That 100,000 protestors constitutes a ‘majority of the people’s will’ in a city of over 13 million people!

    C) That there are no similarities between the US backed colour coded ‘revolutions’ in Georgia and the Ukraine.

    D) The Zionist owned Sky News (and this is from someone who believes in Israel’s right to exist) and British Government tool BBC News are reliable sources. The BBC has again been caught engaging in mass public deception by using photographs of pro-Ahmadinejad rallies in Iran and claiming they represent anti-government protests in favor of Hossein Mousavi. This is after Western news agencies showed Georgian troops in their own villages and labelled them as ‘Russian invaders’ when they were not.

    Do I like the fundamentalist laws in Iran? No. Do I like how they treat women in Iran? No.

    But then do I like the fact that WE installed the oppressive Shah Of Iran and Gestapo-like security force SAVAC (responsible for mass murder/torture) just to get our hands on THEIR oil??? NO. (The Iranian’s overthrew this Western stooge, but at a cost, namely the Ayatollahs).

    THIS HAS THE CIA/MI6 AND MOSSAD WRITTEN ALL OVER IT:

    Have I failed to notice that nearly all of the signs/banners/flyers these 100,000 thousand have banners in English???? No.

    Have I failed to notice that the U.S sponsored ‘revolutions’ in the Ukraine and Georgia (to get them away from Russia’s influence) were also colour coded for effect? No.

    It’s fucking ridiculous. Regime change, and I mean proper regime change, should come solely from within and should reflect the will of the MAJORITY of the people. (who when polled by two actual independent Yanks weeks before, supported Ahmadinejad 2 to 1)These protestors are opposition supporters, Westernised students (a minority) and other groups egged on by Washington. We need to stop interfearing in other country’s affairs.

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