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  1. What a horrible man.

  2. While he is indeed vile, he does have a point. Why is any gay pride funded?

  3. What a lovely man!
    Re funding for Pride events:
    I don’t think they got that much money from the Council in the first place.
    Funding for Prides has to come from somewhere- most of them get a small amount from the Council, and make the rest up from private funding and funding from other public sector organisations.
    As the organisers pointed out, the Council does get something back- people get a better impression of the city, visitors come and spend money, the Council look good to gay and gay-friendly people, and the gay and gay-friendly people of Doncaster get a day to enjoy.

  4. Vicki Morley 8 Jun 2009, 1:38pm

    Quite right, why should people parade around in a statement of confidence, acceptance and equality over something for which, in other parts of the world, you can be imprisoned or jailed for?
    Also, why don’t we abolish July 4th celebrations in America? Another pointless waste of money bringing the community together and promoting tolerance.

  5. I saw the English Democrats on my Euro balllot paper and had no idea who they were. I do now… Another party to add to my ‘Never Vote For Them in a Million Years’ list.
    And I presume he’ll be cutting funding for all other events that promote equality for minorities? Not.

  6. “And I presume he’ll be cutting funding for all other events that promote equality for minorities? Not.”
    Actually Iris, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he does, what with that “anti-political correctness” bit.
    He’s just choosing us first.

  7. Given the current ecanomic situation, cutting public funding for festival-type events is entirely understandable. His cutting over a third off his own salary is espacialy laudable.

    However, he rather gives himself away by saying that “what they do in their private lives is absolutely fine”. Grate, so he’s no problem with gay people as long as they’re apserlutly closeted and receave no public vindication? Given that he’s from a sexual clasification that flaunts it’s self constantly, I’d call that a little hipocriticle.

  8. Another fascist. There are many many many of them all around Britain. And now they’ve found a new encouragement to voice their ideas. Gays will be among the first, but not the last. Hitlerism is not dead just yet.

  9. Christina Engela 8 Jun 2009, 2:48pm

    Here in SA our Pride events are sponsored by the community, businesses and not councils or government.

    Municpalities often just show us support through advertising or press releases and statements and so on. Mostly they realize how much revenue these events bring into their towns – one such instance saw a campaign by religious radicals to ban such an event thwarted, mainly due to the fondness of the residents to the festival – and also their fondness for their pink money – which exceeds their December holiday takings.

    Interesting how – depending on the person in power – how our issues are either right at the top of the list – or right at the very bottom.

  10. Pumpkin Pie 8 Jun 2009, 3:12pm

    Ah, reactionary populists… They’re having a field day with this expenses scandal, aren’t they? Coming from someone who has never voted, nor will ever vote, for any party which denigrates minorities, I just want to say a great big thank you to all the self-serving, fascistic, bigoted, selfish assholes who voted for parties like the English Democrats. You’re making this country SUCH a better place for everyone. Nice one.

    NB: Spurious insults do not apply to those who voted for this party without fully realising what their policies were, but let that be a lesson in diligence for you.

  11. Surely Pride events have economic benefits for the local area?

  12. Sister Mary Clarence 8 Jun 2009, 3:58pm

    And they’re different from the BNP how exactly?

  13. Ha! yet another sorry excuse for a political party. I’m so annoyed with the, so called, main parties of our governemt, this expenses mess has allowed idiots like this man into power. what a fool. If 8,000 people go to pride in doncaster and each spend, say, a modest £5 each thats £40,000 that struggeling local businesses will have in their back poctet. Makes economic sense no? Well if like Davis you dont agree I guess you must be one of thoes anti europe people who think the united kingdom, the small island that it is with a population of roughly 60million people, can somehow be a big superpower like America or China and rule over the world like in thoes oh so great old times of our savage colonial days. we cannot effectivly compete in a global economy on our own. Come on get a clue. these types of people are a joke, I honestly don’t know who I’m more annoyed with the stupid politicians who couldnt keep their hand out of the till or the idiots who are too stupid take five minutes to read an understand the policies of these fools and instead fall for their raciest and bigoted icognito. I feel sorry for the slim minority who didn’t vote for this guy but you pilloks who voted for him, you only reep what you sow… I’m just gonna put by feet up now and wait for you all to start squeeling when you realise what these types of people are like given even an ounce of power. WISEN UP BRITAIN!

  14. English Democrats? Is this the ‘polite’ wing of the BNP – those who espouse the same kind of views but have too moch respectability snd too few balls to call themselves what they really are!!!!?

  15. My policy on town councils is very simple. I don’t think gays and lesbians should be paying them council tax ….

  16. Katel,
    This is NOt a free advertising site., Stop posting your off-point same message comments all over the place!

  17. What a truly horrible turn of phrase, but I do endorse two of his contributions to politics:

    1] Splitting the BNP vote between villains and I-can’t-believe-they’re-not-villains – hopefully this BNP and ED nonsense will keep them both out of victories elsewhere.

    2] Abolishing his own office. May his victory be swift and his career short.

  18. While I have to agree that we are over governed, and the mayor of Doncaster is one aspect of government we could well do without, he is making his time in the role contradictory to all the other tiers of government; so will cost the Doncaster tax payer so much more than if he made the abolishment of his role his FIRST task.

    Having witnessed Pride organisations, I have to admit councils are weaseling out of their obligations to their LGBT tax payers. However, there are other ways of low-cost, high-return policies councils can adopt that bring in the much desired revenues that Pride events bring in: free banners is simple, free event space is another.

    As to why there should be any LGBT Pride events at all, it is for the same reason as there is a “Day in hand” campaign; heterosexism is dominant in our culture; we are bombarded daily with heterosexist norms. We are force fed heterosexualism and made to feel uncomfortable with our sexuality, with terms such as “deviant” and “pervert” too frequently applied. Pride goes only a little way towards redressing the balance, but that is the original purpose (though some Pride events now seem purely economic rather than socio-political). Long may they fight for our right to be!

  19. So I guess he will be cutting funding for remembrance day events as well!

  20. Terry Floyd Johnson 8 Jun 2009, 6:50pm

    Short answer: Stick it!

  21. Ben Copeland 8 Jun 2009, 7:01pm

    themayor@doncaster.gov.uk

    here’s his email address

  22. Peter Davies has been the Chairman of Sykehouse Cricket Club for over 20 years! I bet he would not want a bunch of
    raving queers to spoil the next match???  

  23. Ian M Laughlin 8 Jun 2009, 9:14pm

    I would suggest that it is now more important than ever that Doncaster Pride go ahead, even if fundraising has to be done to make it self-financing.

    The English Democrats have been a troubling presence on the extreme right for some time now, having emerged as a vanity project of the anti-women mob who founded the first incarnation of Fathers for Justice. The EDs have money in abundance from obscure sources, which have been used to develop slick advertising. The party has picked up votes from more respectable but embittered rightists for whom the BNP is still too close to the vulgar end of the bonehead movement. The EDs have claimed to have informal and unofficial links with Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalist Party, despite being far to the right of them on domestic affairs. If this is the case, I would hope that Plaid and SNP activists will be working hard to determine what these alleged links are, because any association could sorely damage those parties.

    In case there is any doubt, the EDs is specific in its manifesto in its hostility to gay people and its belief that heterosexuality should be compulsory. Jews, Chinese people, BME communities and anyone else it dismisses as a special interest group can expect similar treatment if it garners further representation.

  24. Jannine Layhe 8 Jun 2009, 9:38pm

    Clearly this man has no idea of how difficult it is for gay and lesbians in Doncaster to face oppression daily. Having lived here since childhood I am aware of how hard it can be for homosexuals, simply because the people that live here are so small and shallow minded. So therefore, why stop something that allowed homosexuals to be who they want to be. Appauling.
    Well done to all you people that elected this prize idiot!

  25. Pumpkin Pie 8 Jun 2009, 9:59pm

    PM (17): “villains and I-can’t-believe-they’re-not-villains”

    Ahaha… Classic. :D

  26. “Given that he’s from a sexual clasification that flaunts it’s self constantly,”

    A ‘sexual classification’? I must update my Newspeak dictionary :)

  27. I am as a doncaster resident outraged by this decision hence forth i and a group of friends have started a petition in which we aim for over 10000 people to sign to get the council as a whole to over throw this withdrawal and support this event.

    As an ex DMBC employee i have learned that they have “core values” that being that they are PROUD and DIVERSE. how can they now say they are diverse now let alone proud…

    anyone wanting to help or to sign the petition please contact me via

    savedonnypride@live.co.uk

    join our cause and stop this happening as united front we WILL win

    ThanksMichael & Julie

  28. I’m not sure which shocks me more. That he considers a display of LGBT self-esteem to be advertising, or that he undignifyingly dismisses sexuality as having everything to do with having sex while completely trampling on the complex personal, emotional and spiritual identities of LGBT people. This man seems unbelievable boorish to me.

  29. Funny, but this article bring me back to the 80′s. I wonder if we will all find ourselves back there when the Tories win next election? Watch this space!

  30. Tiglathpileser 9 Jun 2009, 8:32am

    Question – What would be your response if he agreed to fund a christian festival?

  31. The C*nt of Monte Crisco 9 Jun 2009, 8:47am

    He’s another one of those sad twats who doesn’t understand gay pride and wants to know why there isn’t hetero pride isn’t he? And why isn’t there hetro pride? There IS… every single fucking day straight people can walk around holding hands or other P.D.A’s and not have to worry about having the shit kicked out of them!

    Peter Davies, you are one sad little bastard! >:-/

  32. Simon Murphy 9 Jun 2009, 9:15am

    “Question – What would be your response if he agreed to fund a christian festival?”

    I am sure the christmas lights and some easter celebrations are already funded by Doncaster councils. Not a single gay person I know opposes the christians right to celebrate christmas or easter celebrations.

  33. Chris Lowry 9 Jun 2009, 9:40am

    I have to say that i am not entirely shocked that the new Mayor of Doncaster has made such a decision. I have friends who live in Doncaster who i have visited many times over the years, and i have to say that i have found the city (as an openly gay man) the most intimidating place i have ever been. I agree with the earlier comments made by local residents that Doncaster should be doing more to break down the barriers and intolerance that openly exist toward LGBT people in the area. A Pride event can positively raise awareness. Cutting funding and possibley putting the future of the event into jeopoardy is not a sensible decision.

  34. vulpus_rex 9 Jun 2009, 9:50am

    What amazes me is why anyone, gay or straight, would want to live in Doncaster in the first place.

    It is worth remembering that this bastion of Old Labour is in the constituency that just elected a representative if the BNP as one of their MPs.

    I’m sure all the residents are just as charming as Peter Davies.

  35. “What amazes me is why anyone, gay or straight, would want to live in Doncaster in the first place.”

    Vulpus_rex . . . Exactly

  36. Grim Northerner 9 Jun 2009, 1:17pm

    Transcript (from BBC Radio Sheffield, 8th June 2009):

    Toby Foster (BBC Radio Sheffield): Thanks very much for joining us. I said that we didn’t see it coming – did you see it coming? Did you expect to win?

    Peter Davies: Well, well not really. A great friend of mine told me the night before I was going to get a great shock, and that I would win. I was thinking of saving the deposit at the time.

    TF: I can imagine. What was it you think that made people vote for you?

    PD: Well we were the only party who gave a distinctive agenda to the electorate. All the others talked waffle. I looked at all the leaflets, I couldn’t make anything of them all, they were all the same.

    TF: You did give a distinctive agenda, you’re absolutely right, you made some real points on that. Let’s just have a look – let’s have a look at them shall we? The first one of course I think’s an easy one – you’re going to cut the mayor’s salary.

    PD: That’s the first thing this morning

    TF: Down to £30,000 a year. Now, some people could look at that Peter and say, well, you get more than that for running a supermarket these days. Surely a council deserves… a bit more respect?

    PD: No, the council deserves somebody who’s going to run it properly, and it deserves somebody who’s prepared to give their services partly free, in a sense – at one time all local government councillors did all the free, er, it’s become a gravy train and I’m not prepared to be part of that.

    TF: So what about the people who work for you? The deputy mayor, other people in the departments – are you cutting their wages as well?

    PD: Er, well, I’ve discussed that with-, well not- not the people in the departments, I can’t- I’ve no control over what they’ve been given, but the deputy mayor and the rest of the cabinet will discuss that at, at the earliest opportunity.

    TF: Well, you say you’ve no control over people in the departments, one of the big things on your campaign was that you’re going to cut ‘PC jobs’.

    PD: Oh yeah, that’s a different thing altogether, er-

    TF: Which jobs are those?

    PD: Well, er, I’m going to look into that. Things like Diversity Officers, er, the things that are usually advertised in the Manchester-, well, it’s not the Manchester Guardian now – in the Guardian…

    TF: Right, so have-, so, so hang on, so so there are politically…

    PD: I mean, I can’t give you a full list at the moment, but I will…

    TF: But that’s what you put on your manifesto – you must have had an idea on your manifesto what you were talking about?

    PD: Yeah, yeah, all these people who are, sort of, controlling thought processes and this sort of thing, and er, erm… every department is riddled with this sort of nonsense these days.

    TF: So currently then, this morning, Doncaster Council is riddled with people who are, who are doing this kind of nonsense, ah… and they’re on notice, are they? People are going to lose their jobs?

    PD: Er, very likely.

    TF: But we don’t know who they are, yeah? But certainly Diversity Officers…

    PD: Obviously I… I’m… well, that sort of thing, yes.

    TF: So, the Diversity Officer who’s getting ready for work this morning at Doncaster might as well not bother?

    PD: Well, he’s… he’s in employment at the moment…

    TF: But he won’t be for long?

    PD: …I think, I think we ought to be talking about what we’re going to do sort of, er, now and, er, what I’ve discovered – that might be a more fruitful discussion.

    TF: Well, I mean… these are the reasons people voted for you. Very bold points, as you said. Er, you’re going to cut translation services for non-English speakers – that’s a very bold point. It’s more than likely illegal, isn’t it?

    PD: I dunno… again, I’ve got to find this out. It’s-

    TF: Well it is – let me tell you it is, under the European Court of Human Rights it’s illegal.

    PD: -Well, well, well let… we’ll look into this – we’re getting council’s opinion on what I can do and what I can’t do, and that’s…

    TF: No, no, you said in your manifesto you would definitely do it.

    PD: Yeah, well, I… well, I, er, if, if somebody comes in the way and stops me doing these things, then that is an insult to democracy.

    TF: So what was the point of your manifesto? You might as well have said you were going to fly to the moon if you’re just going to say now that you can’t do it.

    PD: No, look… I’m going to do my best to do it. If I can’t, I shall tell the electorate why I’ve not been able to do it, and who’s stood in the way of it. The-

    TF: Well, the law’s standing in the way of it.

    PD: -Just a minute, just a minute. The electorate clearly want me to do that. The law needs changing, then, doesn’t it?

    TF: Well, you say the law needs changing-

    PD: If we get a new government, then we might get rid of some of this ludicrous legislation, and be able to run our own country again.

    TF: Okay, now you’re going to cut the number of councillors from 60 to 20.

    PD: That is another difficulty, and the first-

    TF: Can’t do it, can you?

    PD: Er, well, we can appeal to their moral consciences-

    TF: So you can’t do it, can you?

    PD: Look, you keep telling me what I can’t do. I’ll find out what I can’t do, and if I can’t do-

    TF: You are finding out now, I’m telling you, Peter, you can’t do it. You’d have thought you’d have thought of this before you started.

    PD: This is quite a pointless discussion. Completely pointless.

    TF: Why?

    PD: Well – I’m sitting here telling you what I want to do, you’re telling me I can’t do it. I’ll find out – not from you, from other people – if I can do it or not.

    TF: Why didn’t you look at to see-

    PD: That’s where we go. And then we tell the electorate what’s going on.

    TF: Why didn’t you look to see if you could do it before you asked people to vote on it?

    PD: Because people want this to happen. And it’s time we-

    TF: We all want free speech, Peter, but why didn’t you look into it to see if it could happen before you asked 14,000 people to vote on it? You know what’s going to happen – they got upset with the political processes in Doncaster before, they disliked Martin Winter. You’ve come along, you’ve waved this flag, knowing you can’t back any of it up and they’ve voted for you. How are they going to feel when they realise they’ve been hoodwinked?

    PD: They’ve not been hoodwinked, I’m a man of my word, and I shall do everything that I can to put this into practice. And that is something that Doncaster’s not had before.

    TF: You’re going to cut the Gay Pride funding.

    PD: Yep.

    TF: Erm, how much did Doncaster Council fund Gay Pride?

    PD: Haven’t got a clue, I haven’t looked into… I haven’t got the details, I… I haven’t even started-

    TF: About right, isn’t it? So how much did… how much was it worth to Doncaster?

    PD: How…er, what?

    TF: The Gay Pride march. 8,000 people in town for a day.

    PD: I don’t know. They can still come. There’s nobody stopping them coming.

    TF: So you don’t know what it costs, you don’t know what it earns, but you’re banning it?

    PD: I’m saying that… hard-pressed taxpayers money should not be spent on promoting any type of sexuality whether it’s straight or gay.

    TF: But for all you-, but for all you know it could be making a fortune for the town – you don’t know, you’ve not even looked at it.

    PD: Well, it, er… it may, it may or it may not, I’m telling you what I’m not doing, and again it was on the manifesto, it was quite clear people appeared to like what I was saying.

    TF: Yeah, but the stuff on the manifesto we’ve already realised – you can’t do anything about it.

    PD: I think it’s time we finished this interview, it’s quite pointless. I’ve… I… It’s really wasted… I wanted to say a few things this morning that might have been-

    TF: Tell me what you want to say.

    PD: …that people might have wanted to listen to.

    TF: Tell me what you want to say.

    PD: Well, I wanted to point out that this morning I was going to, er, see that two social workers were returned to the childrens hospital, er, which were taken away some time ago for some unaccountable reason. I was going to say we’re getting rid of Doncaster News at the earliest opportunity, and I also wanted to point out that this very weekend I’ve discovered that Doncaster is twinned with nine separate towns, er, that the Mayor… the ex-Mayor had a car, for what reason I don’t know. It’s quite reasonable that the Civic Mayor has a car, but why the elected Mayor has one, God only knows, er, and it looks to me like a Daily Telegraph moment, where I shall be discovering things every day that, er, can be got rid of.

    TF: Okay… none of that really means anything, does it? Let’s have a look at Doncaster News. You’re getting rid of Doncaster News, that’s a, er, flyer… er, paper that goes to every home in the borough isn’t it, to tell them what you’re doing?

    PD: Well, it was to distort… er, what Mayor Winter was doing, yes.

    TF: So now you’re stopping communication with the people of Doncaster?

    PD: No – communication will be through the Doncaster Free Press, though Radio Sheffield if we can get some sensible interviews-

    TF: Heh.

    PD: -and, er, the free newspapers.

    TF: So the people who work on Doncaster News, then, are they out of work as well?

    PD: I don’t know, I don’t… I, I, don’t know what their full… I’ve… I… I’ve not even got… been in the office yet, I’ve… I’ve not even-

    TF: This is the problem, isn’t it-

    PD: -had the briefing from the Chief Executive-

    TF: You actually don’t understand the laws, you don’t understand-

    PD: Okay, I’m stopping this interview, it’s a complete waste of time, er, you’re not asking any sensible questions, and er, I really don’t want to continue.

    TF: Peter, all I’m asking is how you’re going to deliver on your election manifesto?

    >Silence<

    TF: Well, I can assure you, that’s going to be one of the easiest he gets.

  37. Lezabella 9 Jun 2009, 3:10pm

    Grim Northerner -

    Thanks for that.

    Now we can all see what an ill-informed man he is in many cases; not just by the scrapping of gay pride.

  38. Loved that interview . . . . even though I usually dislike it when the ‘politician’ can’t answer!

  39. Pumpkin Pie 9 Jun 2009, 5:15pm

    Oh my goodness, Grim Northerner, that was absolutely hilarious. What an absolute idiot this man is. Any one of the people in this thread could easily run this bigot’s office better than he can. Thank you – and Toby Foster – for the great read!

  40. Sister Mary Clarence 9 Jun 2009, 6:05pm

    How the f*ck did anyone vote for that donkey? Cheers for the transcript though Grim Northerner.

  41. Ian M Laughlin 9 Jun 2009, 6:51pm

    An excellent piece of journalism from BBC Radio Sheffield, and thank you very much for sharing it, GrimNortherner. It is essential that the English Democrats – who are quite spectacularly misnamed, Englander Pluto-krauts might be more appropriate – are challenged along with the British National Party on the legality of every move. A tied, dead duck Mayoralty and Pete Davies (isn’t that a Welsh name) and the vanity project he represents will be sunk at the next elections.

  42. Doncaster…?
    Good old ‘Donnie..’?

    It’s the ‘Back of Bloody Beyond’ anyway, so why bleedin’ bother…!
    Keith.

  43. The Mayor has agreed to an Interview hear it tomorrow on Gay radio UK

  44. Tiglathpileser 10 Jun 2009, 6:38am

    Question: Christmas and Easter aside, what would be your response to the Council funding a “Christian Pride” week?

  45. HAPPY BIRTHDAY JUDY GARLAND (1922-1969) !

  46. Pumpkin Pie 10 Jun 2009, 12:11pm

    The Mayor has agreed to an Interview hear it tomorrow on Gay radio UK

    Ahaha… That should be fun. :D

    Question: Christmas and Easter aside, what would be your response to the Council funding a “Christian Pride” week?

    I dunno… Should they fund Atheist Pride? Sikh Pride? I’m in two minds on the funding belief-based Pride parades, especially for non-minorities (as others have said, every bloody day is a pride parade for the majority). On the one hand, funding activities for interest-groups (like a rock-climbing group, for example) is just the sort of thing that local councils should be funding. But, on the other hand, backing religious groups might be a little too partisan, you know? It’s a slippery slope.

    What’s this got to do with Gay Pride, anyway? Are you actually trying to suggest that “Christian Pride”, a partisan, non-secular, belief-based gathering, is even remotely comparable to Pride parades based on sexuality or ethnicity? No, it would be closer to an “[Insert political party here] Pride” parade. Pride parades are based on who and what we are, not on what we believe in. I don’t know how anybody could spend more than a minute in one of these threads and not realise the vast range of people in here.

  47. My question is why should a council fund any minority? Unless it’s a public health, safety or educational matter, if these people want it, they should raise the cash themselves. That goes for gay pride, religions, societies and everyone. Sorry, but I for one would much rather my council tax be spent on the streets being policed than a bunch of mincers blowing fucking whistles in my face.

  48. Sister Mary Clarence 13 Jun 2009, 10:26pm

    “…. Unless it’s a public health, safety or educational matter ….”

    If you look past all the beer and drugs, its actaully all of these, it also promotes a cohesive community. Cohesive communities very often see a reduction in crime and disorder.

    So, ticks quite a few boxes.

  49. Tiglathpileser 15 Jun 2009, 1:55am

    [Pride parades are based on who and what we are, not on what we believe in. I don't know how anybody could spend more than a minute in one of these threads and not realise the vast range of people in here.]

    Being a christian is based on who and what they are. They are disciples of Christ who are born again by the blood of Jesus. They encompass veirtually every race on earth so the variety is immesurable. What you might call a “vast range.”

  50. Tiglathpileser should be pleased to hear that the State already funds hours of prime time religious shows on BBC TV and radio every week. Taxpayers’ money goes into faith schools. 26 unelected Bishops sit in the House of Lords: they are there because their Christianity apparently makes them better moral guides than others – a claim which needs to be tested. This all puts an annual one-day park festival into perspective, doesn’t it?

    The point about pride is that it empowers other gay people to overcome oppression and discrimination, which is still enshrined in law to some extent. Apart from a few exceptions within ethnic communities, there is no reason for Christians to feel oppressed or discriminated against. Being Christian is just a point of view, you can change your religious opinions, based on evidence, as many people do all the time.

  51. upandathem 18 Jun 2009, 7:28am

    [Apart from a few exceptions within ethnic communities, there is no reason for Christians to feel oppressed or discriminated against.]

    I believe the government is planning to make it illlegal to be a christian.

    [Being Christian is just a point of view, you can change your religious opinions, based on evidence, as many people do all the time.]

    Being a christian is a way of life as in born again to a new way of living such as the man who got blind drunk every weekend and then he converted to christianity and gave away the liquor.

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