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Section 28 style law likely to be passed in Lithuania to prohibit discussion of homosexuality in schools

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  1. Thankfully there are still countries with some common sense in Europe. We can have some hope. Thanks Lithuania!

  2. Alesha, are you intentionally trying to start a flame war?

  3. Simon Murphy 4 Jun 2009, 12:42pm

    Alesha is a spammer – probably David Skinner.

    Email the prime minister of Lithuania and his deputies at the following addresses to advise that if this law is enacted then you will be boycotting Lithuania and campaigning for it’s expulsion from the EU.

    The email addresses are as follows:

    PM: ANDRIUS KUBILIUS
    Email: ANDRIUS.KUBILIUS@lrvk.lt

    Minister for EU Policy: Tomas Baranovas
    Email: Tomas.Baranovas @lrvk.lt

    Minister for EU Law Implementation: Ieva Peciukonienė
    Email: Ieva.Peciukonienė@lrvk.lt

    Minister of Foreign Affairs: Lina Terra
    Email: Lina.Terra@lrvk.lt

  4. Simon Murphy 4 Jun 2009, 12:56pm

    Dear Prime Miinister and Ministers

    It was with absolute horror today that I read that your government is to introduce a law to prohibit the discussion of homosexuality in schools – namely the ‘Law on the Protection of Minors against the Detrimental Effect of Public Information’

    The proposed law classes homosexuality alongside the portrayal of physical or psychological violence, displaying a dead or mutilated body, information that arouses fear or horror or that encourages self abuse or suicide.

    This legislation is homophobic discrimination. As such, it clearly violates the European Convention on Human Rights and the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. It also violates the equality and anti-discrimination clauses of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

    I will be boycotting all Lithuanian products, goods and services and will be seeking sanctions agaiinst Lithuania for this disgusting new law if it is enacted.

    Lithuania must leave the EU immediately as it does not respect human rights.

    Shame on the Lithuanian government. You have brought huge shame to your country and Lithuania must now leave the EU and repay all the money paid to Lithuania by the EU.

    Lithuania has no place in the EU and I will be asking that you be expelled from the EU for this new law.

    Yours sincerely

  5. Simon Murphy 4 Jun 2009, 12:59pm

    The British Ambassador to Lithuania is called Simon Butt.

    His office can be reached at be-vilnius@britain.lt

  6. Simon Murphy 4 Jun 2009, 1:04pm

    I emailed the Lithuanian PM but got a message failure notification. Not surprising as flushing toilets would appear to be advanced in that dump.

    Email the British Ambassador as well:

    “Dear British Embassy,

    It was with absolute horror today that I read that the Lithuanian government is to introduce a law to prohibit the discussion of homosexuality in schools – namely the ‘Law on the Protection of Minors against the Detrimental Effect of Public Information’.

    The proposed law classes homosexuality alongside the portrayal of physical or psychological violence, displaying a dead or mutilated body, information that arouses fear or horror or that encourages self abuse or suicide.

    This legislation is homophobic discrimination. As such, it clearly violates the European Convention on Human Rights and the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. It also violates the equality and anti-discrimination clauses of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

    I will be boycotting all Lithuanian products, goods and services and will be seeking sanctions agaiinst Lithuania for this disgusting new law if it is enacted.

    Please advise what the British government will be doing to ensure that Lithuania is expelled from the EU and UN for this revoltingly bigotted new law

    Yours sincerely

  7. Alesha, in what way is not providing children with education about human sexuality “Common sense” and desirable.

  8. Simon . . . you are doing some sterling work. Thanks for the inspiration to get e-mailing.

  9. Mihangel apYrs 4 Jun 2009, 1:26pm

    why don’t these ex-Comintern countries and tribal groupings form their own political bloc rather than join the EU – a union of liberal western SECULAR states – that has a foundation of anti-discrimination? Oh. Wait. Of course. They want our filthy pink money without having to pay more than lip service to our filthy liberal ideals.

    They would be happier back in the Russian sphere. (Except not so much money!!)

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  11. This lot are part of David Cameron’s Tory grouping of fascists in the European parliament.

  12. This is a disgrace! They should be kicked out of the EU if they do this. There are an awful lot of young people and teachers who will be put in the same situation as we had in the 1980/90s; disgusting discrimination!

  13. Simon Murphy 4 Jun 2009, 2:28pm

    So the government of Lithuania is grouped with the Tories in the Europarliament?

    I wonder if the Tories will insist on expelling Lithuania for this new law seeing as they now claim to be gay friendly?

  14. Robert, ex-pat Brit 4 Jun 2009, 5:54pm

    This proves that that the EU Parliament doesn’t give a toss. Full equality should be mandated across the entire community of member states and a prequisite for entry, otherwise goodbye. Simon, make no mistake, the Tories will do diddly squat about that once they’re in office. If Cameron wants to show leadership, why doesn’t he speak out and put Brown to shame? Not going to happen. Hell, even conservative Dick Cheney in America spoke out in support of full marriage equality. We’ve not had even one from either party do that in the UK.

  15. Robert, ex-pat Brit 4 Jun 2009, 5:55pm

    I meant to have said..”prerequisite” in the second sentence of my last post, sorry for the error.

  16. These wannabe “Europeans” (that’s a joke in itself) signed off dictats when they entered the EU. Their people are now wandering all over Europe. However they seem to accept some rules, but not others. They chose this process, they cannot cherry-pick which ones they want. They either toe the line, or are expelled.

    I have heard it said that once a country joins the EU, it is mechanically and financially impossible to get back out again. How true this is, I do not know, but I don’t want to find out either. The sooner we back out from thge Lisbon Treaty the better.

  17. Coemgenus 4 Jun 2009, 6:19pm

    Interesting isn’t it that the Eastern countries which spent 5o years under dictatorial rule (Nazi & Soviet)often seem to fall back on this position. It can’t help that the Church was one ofthe few large scale organisations that stood up against these Fascist regimes – a pretty skewed world view seems to be the result. Still, a few humiliating court cases in the European Courts will do the job.

  18. Har Davids 4 Jun 2009, 6:21pm

    And still Europeans why us simple voters don’t have much confidence in the EU as an institution. Most of these Eastern countries have some catching up to do; too bad they weren’t told to do that before they were allowed to join.

  19. Ltihuanian 4 Jun 2009, 6:30pm

    Should Lithuania be expelled from EU that would not help Lithuanian gays. The situation would even get worse and it will not change by inner efforts only. Only visibility and EU pressure can make things get better. The second largest daily newspaper “Respublika” openly calls homosexuals as perverts, pedophiles and no institution find any violation. This is explained as a freedom of speech, an opinion or a topical satire.

  20. RobN (thread 16)

    I agree with your first paragraph . . . well said, to the point no nonsense. Brillant.

    Not a great fan of your second paragraph . . . However I am not a fan of the Euro either, and believe we should hold on to soverienty there. . . so we probably meet eye to eye on that issue.

    I won’t be voting UKIP . . .
    In my view the only sensible vote is for Labour or the Conservatives, and I am not particulary bothered either way.

    Good on you for sticking to your guns . . . which is more than can be said for Lithuania. . .

  21. Lithuanian – I’m sorry, but the choice is this: either Lithuania adopts basic values on civil rights, or it should get out. We don’t want reactionary extremists like that bringing Europe back into the dark ages.

    Countries should earn their place in the EU.

  22. Adrian forcefully said and exactly my sentiment.

    “Reactionary Extremism” . . . No No No
    Europe is not for turning

    I agree belonging to europe should not be an automatic, but should be earnt.

    I know this thread is about Lithuania, but I keep thinking about Turkey . . . and I do not mean for dinner.

  23. Lithuanian 4 Jun 2009, 7:48pm

    AdrianT, so Iran killing gays is ok as long as Iran does not want to join EU?

  24. Has there been condonence, collusion or hypocritical posturing with respects to the Iranian regiem . . . ?

    Lithuanian, do not get us wrong. . . Lithuania is a fantastic country with wonderful generous people . . . we just dislike the current goverments retrograde policy with regards homosexuality.

    Lithuania’s special and uniqueness is welocme and cherished as an intergral part of EU diversity. . . but not homophobia.

  25. “The sooner we back out from thge Lisbon Treaty the better.”

    Not going to happen mate… and thank god too. Its the EU that has brought us have the rights our own government would remove in a second. Long live the EU!

  26. Lithuanians are a bunch of ignorant gits anyway. What do you expect from one of the most backward nations in Europe?

  27. RobN “The sooner we back out from the Lisbon Treaty the better”:
    Did you know that the Lisbon Treaty allows a country to quit the UE ?

  28. …bye, bye Lithuania and take Poland -and Mrs Sowinska and the Kaczynski twins- with you…gay Teletubbies indeed!….gay pre-pubescent ellyfumps in Poznan zoo, my bum!
    K

  29. We can have some ‘hope’ for what, Alesha #1
    For not educating…?
    For wilfully keeping in ignorance, in the dark, for keeping minds in a pre-electricity age…back to Galileo, would you like?
    K

  30. Well let’s face it here, I’m not a gambling man, but if I was, I wouldn’t be putting money on the Labour party to win this race. In fact I’d probably take it out back to a quiet paddock and have it shot…

    I wouldn’t support Conservative or LibDem either as they are both Pro-EU, but they have both proclaimed they will hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty should they come to power; (where have we heard that claim before, I wonder?). Based on that premise, the current political climate and the sheer fury of the majority of the British Public, I think the outcome is a no-brainer. The EU can get it’s money from some other gullible European states, because this one has had enough.

  31. To bad that homophobe Bush invaded Iraq. Not only did that result in letting Bin Laden escape when we had him trapped in Afghanistan Tora Bora mountains………..

    But it prevents us from having the troops to go invade this homophobic country, and toss all their homophobic religious leaders in Guantanamo.

    If we did that, the modern world would be proud of the USA once again. And maybe we could toss the Pope, and his demented underlings there also. Seig Heil, Meine ChurchFuhrer. 50 years from now, your legacy will be the destruction of your church.

  32. upandatem, please. Keep that bigotry to yourself. Your use of the words “immoral behaviour” says it all. Being gay is not immoral, only to those who seem to think they are above human rights like you. How typically sanctimonious of people like you this feel victimised by gay people, when you spend so much time victimising others to make yourself feel better about your brand of “god”.

    This has nothing to do with freedom of religion, it has to do with the freedom of those who do not believe your brand of religious bigotry. And quote right too!

  33. …and to clarify my last point, this “section 28″ styled law is designed to impose the will of one belief system over another. is this the “religious freedoms” you are talking about, upandatem, the freedom to discriminate without simply on prejudice?

  34. Lithuanian – you clearly think extremely lowly of your country, to even think of comparing it with Iran…. How low your nation is sinking – if that is all you can say about your country, that you should stay in the EU, because ‘at least you aren’t as bad as Iran’ it just emphasises my point, even more.

    (Indeed, why use Iran as benchmark, why not go the whole hog and use Saudi Arabia, Nazi Germany or Ghengis Khan?)

  35. The rise of right wing parties in Europe is a worry to most of us, ie the BNP. But we must remember we are almost in a 1930’s situation with econimic gloom and no faith in politicians; ideal breeding ground for facists; be warned!!!

  36. The EU has moved along in little baby steps since it first began as a market agreement, and is well on it’s way to becoming a United States Of Europe.

    Troops served under the UE flag a few months ago to stop those Somali pirates. Next an EU peace keeping force flying SOLELY under the EU flag will be deployed somewhere. It’s a snowballing effect.

    The fact that our taxes are subsidising poor countries like Lithuania is another reason to get out.

  37. John (Derbyshire 5 Jun 2009, 11:01am

    Don`t back on Section 28-in some form or another-never coming back to the UK. The most ardent perpetrators and supporters of this noxious legislation are still vociferous and influential in the Conservative party. I am thinking of Julian Brazier,Gerald Howarth,David Wiltshire and Christopeher Chope. And don`t forget the gay-haters they have in the Hous of Lords- remember that old witch Jill Knoight? Well-she is now a tory Lord. David Cameron is well-outnumbered by this homophobic bunch. He was one of only 28 Conservative MP`s to vote for equal rights for LGBT people in the Goods and Services vote- whilst 93 of them voted against and about 100 abstained.

  38. Simon Murphy 5 Jun 2009, 2:40pm

    It is the EU that will prevent gay rights being further eroded in Lithuania. The Lithuanian government will be sued by the gay rights movement and the gay group will win their case. It may take 10 years but it will happen. If Lithuania is kicked out then they are free to sink even lower in terms of homophobic laws (a reintroduction of the ban on homosexual acts anyone?.)

    Likewise with Britain. Many of the advancements in gay rights since the Labour government came to power are not as a result of the disgust at the Tories appalling homophobia but as a result of instruction from the EU to get Britain’s house in order.

    It baffles me why so many Britons are anti-EU. In a globalised world Britain is a largish economy but certainly in no way able to have any sort of independent influence on the world stage unless it is part of a larger bloc.

    The choice is simple. Does Britain want to lose its influence in Europe’s policy making decision or not. Outside the EU, Britain will still be bound by most of the EU laws but will have surrendered any ability to influence them.

    I suppose Britain could try to forge stronger links with the US but the Iraq disaster amply illustrates that it will be a very sided relationship and Britain will become the little brother.

    Bottom line is the Britain needs the EU more than the EU needs Britain. The EU is the world’s largest trading bloc – with or without Britain. People like UKIP or the BNP or the Tories never explain some of the potentially disastrous consequences for Britain if they were to leave. It’s too easy to be xenophobic after all. All this whining about Eastern people coming to Britain but not a peek about all the Britons in Provence and the Costas and Amsterdam.

  39. Stewart Cowan 5 Jun 2009, 2:59pm

    Delighted to see that Lithuania is legislating to protect children.

    What kind of person could possibly argue against this?

  40. I see that you are tring to argue against this one Stewart.

    O dear . . . Another fundamentalist religous bigot / Nut case freqenting “Gay New Sites”

  41. (John K – have you seen Cowan’s ludicrous Realstreet website? Of course, another young earth creationist whacko…)

  42. I always shudder when anyone advocates “protecting our children” as a reason for appalling bigotry and hatred. They protect no-one. What you are actually advocating is the condemnation of our children, refusing them access to information that could prevent them living miserable and bullied lives until their church forces them into suicide (As St Leonard’s church, exeter does).

  43. Jean-Paul 5 Jun 2009, 9:16pm

    Will (33, 34):

    What kind of insanity is ‘upandatem’ talking about?

    ‘…puts the principle of freedom of conscience in grave peril.’??

    What the…?

    Institutions like Trinity Western, whatever that is, ‘that hold traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs’ are necessarily homophobic (mental illness) because Judeo-Christian teachings are the source of homophobia.

    This guy/gal has obviously been drinking home-made wine gone bad, and needs to have his/her head screwed on straight. He/she has come to the right place, and we will do it at no cost. We know something about freedom of conscience, don’t we?

    Immoral teachers? There is more ethical behavior in secular society than there has ever been in the entire history of christianity.

    If you need any help with this Canadian, buddy, call me anytime. I’ve just cleaned the blood off my boxing gloves and I’m all keyed up for another adreneline rush.

    Of all the nerve…

  44. Jean-Paul 5 Jun 2009, 9:29pm

    Steward Cowan (40):

    Hello and welcome. Won’t you have a seat? We won’t keep you waiting long, I promise.

    Would you like to make a donation to help support the half-way houses for gays attempting to escape Iraq while you’re waiting?

    We also have some informative brochures about how to protect children from ca-atholic paedophile priests, and some others about how condoms will prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS to foetuses in Africa.

    John K and AdrianT will be with you momentarily. Something to drink? Crudité? Isn’t June grande? You don’t mind if I lock the door, do you?

  45. Jean-Paul 5 Jun 2009, 9:34pm

    Will:

    Did I mention that I learned how to be a sneaky and quite active homosexual at a Christian college? Those elderly priests, so kind, so gently, so…what’s the word…famished.

  46. Well, come on then, Mr Cowan.

    Children need defending AGAINST WHAT, based on what evidence?

    PS You are quite proud of your ignorance on Science on your website, and being out by a factor of at least 2 million on the question of the age of the Universe. Whacko is an understatement.

  47. Thanks Adrian . . . just looked at Mr Cowens website with astonished and amusement

    Mr Cowen accuses us of naming calling?
    Mr Cowen we are stating who and what you are.

    We can see that you are a religious nut case.
    People on this website can see you are religious nutcase.
    We understand that you are so deluded you cannot see that you are religious nutcase

    We decline from debating with you because you seem display all the characteristics of some one who is incapable of debate.

    You only have one message
    You only have one story
    You only have one entrenched position

  48. Stewart Cowan 6 Jun 2009, 12:55am

    Adrian, considering that schools seem more interested in propaganda than education these days, it is unwise to use words like ‘whacko’ when encountering a different idea. How much did YOU learn at school, do you reckon?

    Children need defending against all this sex stuff – obviously. It’s not for a five-year-old to be told that Elton John is ‘gay’. Why would any sane person want to? Other than to influence the child in a way that is not the business of the education system.

    For some reason posting links delays the comments appearing so I’ll just reproduce this evidence here again:

    Which Gay Teens Attempt Suicide?…

    [Suicide] attempters had more feminine gender roles, and adopted a bisexual or homosexual identity at younger ages.

    The researchers say that suicide attempts appear to be related to ‘coming out’ at a younger age…

    treatment for Gender Identity Disorder of Childhood (GID), which is now under strong attack from within the psychological profession, may indeed be therapeutic for prevention of suicide attempts in adolescence. Gay and feminist advocacy groups have been lobbying for deletion of the diagnostic category.

    since early gay-self-labeling is associated with attempted suicide, it seems unwise to encourage young people to label themselves as gay during the volatile teenage years.

  49. (It’s not exactly like there are 2 opinions equally deserving of consideration is it? Evolution, based on mountains of evidence from DNA, the fossil record, anthropology, taxonomy, geology. Versus Creationism, based on a mythical event in the Middle East. That you think the latter to be an equally valid account of the origins of the cosmos, tells me a lot about you. Homeschooled by any chance?)

    Chldren should know that some families are different. Whether you choose to tell children or not about the fact that some people are gay, they will already know, at a young age, what being gay is all about. They know to intimidate, and harrass, and bully, and assault those who are, or are perceived to be gay. (Murderous thugs like gavin alker for instance)

    Another point, I don’t take much interest in ‘research’ unless it’s appeared in a quality, peer-reviewed scientific journal. Something that appears on a website run by religious nutcases, like OneNewsNow, for instance, does not count.

    People are likely to be more suicidal if they are bullied and harrassed, whether they are straight or gay. And the statistics show gay people are singled out for this in the most appalling way. That is a much more plausuble explanation for the higher rates of suicide amongst LGBT youth.

    That’s why it’s essential to encourage to treat gay people with respect, to root our bigotry and prejudice. This has nothing whatseover to do with telling kids to label themselves as soon as possible.

  50. Jean-Paul 6 Jun 2009, 4:38am

    upandatem:

    Kind of late for a house call, but come on in, come in. Have you met Mr. Cowen? Mr. Cowan, I’d lke you to meet upandatem.

    upandatem has been upandatem quite a bit. upandatem, here take the sofa, lie back, I’ll get a cold pack, you look rather feverish.

    mumble, mumble…gender…identity..disorder….o-o-of…childhood. Name-calling s.o.b…. mumble, mumble….

    Here we are, nice and cool. There, now that’s a good boy.

    Oh, Mr Cowan, more celeri sticks and olives? Mozzarella cheese dip? I knew you were a health-food-nut the minute I laid eyes on you. Yes, oh yes, I am perceptive to these things.

    Oh yes, er, upandatem, about unethical behaviour in the history of the choitch… yes, all two thousand years of it…oh my, the things I do at a moment’s notice…do you see my big pencil anywhere?

    Well, where shall we start? Oh, I know… what about the ruthless, god-inspired homophobic remarks made by Jesus himself?

    No-o-o, that’s no good (I don’t mean that in the ethical sense).

    Jesus didn’t say all that much about homosexuality, did he? Oh my, what to do, what to do? Look at the time…mumble & grumble…

    Paul of Tarsus? What can I tell you about that saintly man that you don’t aleady know? Didn’t he spend some time in Greece making slanderous remarks about things he knew nothing about?

    Mr. Cowan, you’re sno-o-o-ring.

    Wasn’t Philo at Alexandria at the time? I’m sure you’ve heard of him, bright little f*cker that you are. Feeling a bit better? Just lie still and calm down. You’re not well. I’ll try to be gentle, and keep it clean. I always keep it clean, always, don’t you?

    Philo… I’ve heard him called Fido, but there’s nothing funny about childish remarks like that, I’m g*dd*mn sure you’ll agree. Swearing? A-a-a-ll my psychiatrists have told me that swearing was good exercise for the brain. You should try it, gets the little wheels turning, prevents entrenchment, you know.

    Theatrical? Who me? You know about my parents being in a Broadway musical or two? I do love a cultured gentleman… you are a man, ain’tcha?

    Philo, Philo:….’set the mobs on those sodomites…don’t let’s waste time and money. Judicial system can’t afford it. Hunt them SODOMITES down, tear them limb from limb, drag them screaming and crying through the streets tied to a team of wild horses, entertain the mobs, burn them, bu-u-urn them alive, the filthy swine, let the stench of their burning entrails fill the villages and the town squares and make sure the children see and smell it all. Get rid of all of them, every last one of them, if you want god to have mercy on your wretched souls, if you care about the salvation of your miserables, sin-n-n-ful souls. I’m a genius, and I can translate the very word of god almighty and I’m telling you what god wants you to do, get the picture? Now, go, go, ha-ha-ha-ha! There’s one who walks kinda funny, get him, get ‘im now, now’

    Oh, I do carry on. Phe-e-uw…

    Who would be next, shall we proceed chronologically, you know according to the Greek God Chronos? Like in chronometer.

    So, that would be Constantine or am I going too fast for you?

    More ice-water…mumble..mumble..wants…everything…for…free…mumble, mumble…where’s that f*cking water?

    Here we are, sit up a little bit. No, no no, don’t put your hand on my knee…it’s one of my erogenous zones, and we don’t approve of that kind of behavior, do we? Blow you! I don’t even know you!!
    Erogenous…well, it’s a 20th century word. Now think, think, that’s what minds are for, dear..from the Greek word ‘eros’ meaning, meaning, er, oh never mind, and the French word ‘genous’ which means ‘knee’. Follow me? Wonderful, ain’t time travelling fun?

    Moving right along, shall we stop at Augustine? Wasn’t he the ex-gay saint who intergrated Plato’s ‘Laws’ into, ta-raa, Choitch Doctrines?

    Plato himself, of course, died of a broken heart, didn’t he? Well didn’t his younger lover, what’s-his-name, you know, the son of the tyrant in southern Italy where one of the Golden Girls is from…Sicily, there, I’ve got it, didn’t he died rather young and leave Plato mourning. It was love, nothing less, and nothing more, just love. No need to cure love, is there? Is there?

    Turned him into a bitter old man, but nothing was too bitter for a fanatical ex-gay saint, so Augustine swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The rest is history…

    Yes, it is getting late, but you will both stay the night won’t you? No problem, but please aim correctly when using the loo. I’ll have coffe and struddle in the morning, would youse guys like that? Marmalade and toast? Who do you think you are, the pope????

    G’nite, don’t let the bedbugs….yawn….mumble, mumble..freeloaders…can’t afford ..an…edu..cation…picking…my…brains…what’s left…of them… Oh Fido, time for a walk, boy, time for a piddle, c’mon boy, c’mon…Then I’ll have to check the agenda for the next Steel Workers of America meeting, and then there’s that little boy in the hospital, what can we get him? Kentucky Fried Chicken?? Sounds great. Y’all come, Y’all come, Y’all come to see him when he comes, Y’all come….yawn..

  51. Steward Cowen again…. notice how he never appears on posts that give positive news about gay people, only ones where he can throw his “paedophilia” crap around?

    Actually, Stewart, you’re posts show your half truths and lack of understanding of teenage suicide. And that’s truly sickening.

    Read the truth and open your eyes:- The reason there is more depression and suicide among gay teens, and gay men in general, is because of people like you. Not every gay man is strong enough to deal with the prejudices that your kind throw at us, and hence go “ex”-gay like you did. But thankfully most others are strong enough.

    Researchers at the University of California at San Francisco found that the major risk factors for depression in gay and bisexual men included a recent experience of anti-gay violence or threats, not identifying as gay, or feeling alienated from the gay community [Mills TC, Paul J, Stall R, et al. Distress and depression in men who have sex with men: The Urban Men’s Health Study. Am J Psych. 2004;161:278-285]

    Thats the proof you lack in your puerile statement.

    Not because they “come out”, you fool. The one that come out and stand tall, are the ones like us, who stand up to £ex-gay” bottom feeders like you.

  52. I am lithuanian guy, been moved to UK and lived for 3 years. i moved cos in UK i can be myself and not to hide from who i am. I was so happy to be gay and etc. now im back to Lithuania, cos my parents had car crash. What can i say, I hate Lithuania, there is no rights for gays at all, im sitting at home day by day, cos dont have alot of friends, who can understood me, whit who i can go out. just hate…. cant wait to move back to london, cos it was my happiest year of my life

  53. Jean-Paul 8 Jun 2009, 1:25pm

    Kurtis,

    Thanks for sharing your pain. Something similar happened to me. I lived a wonderful gay life in Montreal, Canada, for years, then I had to come back home to a small town in northern New Brunswick because of family problems. Now, I’m happy to be here because I’ve found the man of my dreams.

    Have you thought of becoming a member of the PinkNews Forum? It’s free, and you can check it out by clicking on the word ‘My’ on the upper left hand corner of the front page of PinkNews.

    Check out the profiles, there are over 200 of them, and befriend someone. We all need friendship, right?

    jaypea

  54. Tiglathpileser 15 Jun 2009, 2:41am

    [AdrianT, so Iran killing gays is ok as long as Iran does not want to join EU?]

    Iran is also killing adulterers, thieves and christians. Are you going to stand up for their civil rights?

  55. Tiglathpileser 15 Jun 2009, 2:43am

    [Lithuanians are a bunch of ignorant gits anyway.]

    Evidence please!!!

  56. Tiglathpileser 15 Jun 2009, 2:45am

    [But it prevents us from having the troops to go invade this homophobic country, and toss all their homophobic religious leaders in Guantanamo.]

    Now that is a novel way to solve all your problems. I can see it now “Come join the Gaystapo and destroy every country that doesn’t bow to our demands.”

  57. upandathem 15 Jun 2009, 2:52am

    [Institutions like Trinity Western, whatever that is, ‘that hold traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs’ are necessarily homophobic (mental illness) because Judeo-Christian teachings are the source of homophobia.]

    my undersanding is that Trinity does not have any fear of homosexuals.

    [We know something about freedom of conscience, don’t we?]

    Only for yourselves, not for those who disagree with you as you have made abundantly clear.

    [Immoral teachers? There is more ethical behavior in secular society than there has ever been in the entire history of christianity.]

    A supercilious sweeping generalisation. Can we have some evidence please?

  58. upandathem 15 Jun 2009, 2:55am

    [Children need defending AGAINST WHAT, based on what evidence?]

    They need defending against sexual predators, which includes homosexuals as in NAMBLA, those who sell them for prostitution and those who abandon them and if you haven’t seen the evidence splashed across the papers in most western countries you are well and truly in the dark ages.

  59. upandathem 15 Jun 2009, 3:04am

    [People are likely to be more suicidal if they are bullied and harrassed, whether they are straight or gay. And the statistics show gay people are singled out for this in the most appalling way. That is a much more plausuble explanation for the higher rates of suicide amongst LGBT youth.]

    Having studies the subject as part of my university degree and presented a paper to a government task force on the subject, the overwhelming reason for young homosexuals committing suicide is the rejection they suffer from other homosexuals.

    A guy can go to an event and unless they are handsome and outgoing with a good body, they suffer multiple rejections from other guys that they wish they could have sex with. This can happen 10, 20 or 30 times in a night.

    Coupled with that is their seach for their white night usually ends up in dissapointment. They find someone who is perfect in their eyes, start a relationship and their white knight finds another guy a week later who he likes better. Long term monogmous relationships are almost unknown in the homosexual community as the average length is 18 months.

    I know of one young homosexual who has had at least 10 “white knights” and everyone of them have been a failure.

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