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New Zealand survey finds gay teenagers at risk

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  1. I don’t think that required a survey to show that. Tell us something we don’t know. Those statistics mirror virtually every country in the world, it’s hardly a unique situation only found in New Zealand.

    Young LGBT people need support and attention, it’s tough enough going through puberty into adulthood, without all the sexuality problems compounding the issue.

  2. RobN’s statement “Young LGBT people need support and attention” is so true. But we do need surveys like this to get the extent of the problem recognised. The links between bullying – suicide – and low use of condoms really do need to be made. Alas NZ is not unique, and if there is a positive maybe a big survey of this kind can help schools and health providers outside NZ find some answers too.

  3. Stewart Cowan 28 May 2009, 11:36am

    It could be argued, and there may be some evidence, that pressure from groups like Stonewall to get children to identify with a ‘sexuality’ at a young age causes big problems for them.

  4. Pumpkin Pie 28 May 2009, 1:51pm

    Piss off Cowman, you weaselly twerp.

    Such groups exist to support people who are gay or bisexual, not to recruit unsuspecting straight people, as delusional fantasists like yourself seem to think. No, it’s the creeps who try to force everyone to conform to their heterosexist views who cause the problems.

    “May be some evidence”? Don’t make me laugh. You don’t make up some ludicrous idea and then try to wrangle up some “evidence” for it. Reality doesn’t work like that. In fact, your claim is so ridiculous that I’ve never even heard of any anti-gay institutes ever managing to come up with any sort of evidence for it. Seriously, it’s that bizarre.

  5. Stewart Cowan 28 May 2009, 9:51pm

    Pumpkin, I was offering a serious point for debate. It’s a shame you’re not adult enough.

    I did a Google search for ‘gay teenage suicide’ and this was no. 1 – Which Gay Teens Attempt Suicide?

    It suggests that more youngsters are committing suicide DUE TO the modern ways of dealing with the issues. Please read it. It says:

    [Suicide] attempters had more feminine gender roles, and adopted a bisexual or homosexual identity at younger ages.

    The researchers say that suicide attempts appear to be related to ‘coming out’ at a younger age…

    treatment for Gender Identity Disorder of Childhood (GID), which is now under strong attack from within the psychological profession, may indeed be therapeutic for prevention of suicide attempts in adolescence. Gay and feminist advocacy groups have been lobbying for deletion of the diagnostic category.

    since early gay-self-labeling is associated with attempted suicide, it seems unwise to encourage young people to label themselves as gay during the volatile teenage years.

  6. Stewart Cowan 28 May 2009, 11:42pm

    Pumpkin, I was offering a serious point for debate. It’s a shame you’re not adult enough.

    I did a Google search for ‘gay teenage suicide’ and this was no. 1 – from healthyplace (dot) com: “Which Gay Teens Attempt Suicide?”

    It suggests that more youngsters are committing suicide DUE TO the modern ways of dealing with the issues. It says:

    [Suicide] attempters had more feminine gender roles, and adopted a bisexual or homosexual identity at younger ages.

    The researchers say that suicide attempts appear to be related to ‘coming out’ at a younger age…

    treatment for Gender Identity Disorder of Childhood (GID), which is now under strong attack from within the psychological profession, may indeed be therapeutic for prevention of suicide attempts in adolescence. Gay and feminist advocacy groups have been lobbying for deletion of the diagnostic category.

    since early gay-self-labeling is associated with attempted suicide, it seems unwise to encourage young people to label themselves as gay during the volatile teenage years.

  7. Damian O'Hagan 29 May 2009, 9:03am

    RobN, your response is ill-considered and immature. Here in New Zealand we have a very different society and culture from what you have in the UK (I presume you are a Pom – you speak with the arrogance of one).

  8. New Zealand has a massive identity crisis. It is too small to stand alone, so it pokes in the naval of other cultures. I think the saying goes ” would the last one to leave please turn out the lights?”

  9. Pumpkin Pie 30 May 2009, 12:23pm

    Pumpkin, I was offering a serious point for debate. It’s a shame you’re not adult enough.

    I called you a weaselly twerp because I know exactly what you’re doing. You come here under the pretence of helping the poor vulnerable ones, when your actual motive is to sucker them into conforming to your own blinkered world-view.

    I did a Google search for ‘gay teenage suicide’ and this was no. 1 – Which Gay Teens Attempt Suicide?

    It suggests that more youngsters are committing suicide DUE TO the modern ways of dealing with the issues. Please read it. It says:

    The study you’re quoting comes from the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a group of Christianity-based bigots who see homosexuality as a mental illness and who are denounced by the mainstream psychiatric community. Already not a good start.

    [Suicide] attempters had more feminine gender roles, and adopted a bisexual or homosexual identity at younger ages.

    The researchers say that suicide attempts appear to be related to ‘coming out’ at a younger age…

    Is this supposed to show that homosexuality is bad for you? To me, it shows that gays who are feminine or have identified for longer have a greater chance of being “found out”. A rather obvious truism.

    Nobody’s encouraging anybody to identify as anything before they feel they’re ready. Once they do feel they want to, would you stop them? Repression leads to depression, you know. That’s a certainty. What isn’t a certainty is that being open about oneself leads to depression – that only comes from the bullying and abuse that others inflict upon those who are different. What an utterly cowardly and cruel response to claim that the correct way forward is to keep people in closets rather than dealing VERY seriously with those who make their lives hell.

    Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t encourage somebody in a precarious position to out themselves if they think harm may come of it. I’m not stupid. People shouldn’t be forced to out themselves, but those who want to come out deserve every ounce of help we can give them.

    treatment for Gender Identity Disorder of Childhood (GID), which is now under strong attack from within the psychological profession, may indeed be therapeutic for prevention of suicide attempts in adolescence. Gay and feminist advocacy groups have been lobbying for deletion of the diagnostic category.

    Treatment for GID (that is, hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment) is indeed of tremendous help – to children who are TRANSSEXUAL, not gay (unless they’s gay and transsexual). And LGBT groups only oppose GID’s classification as a disorder, not the treatment of those who exhibit gender association outside of the cultural norm. And some radical feminists oppose it because they see it as a way of males trying to infiltrate them (willfully ignoring the fact that both transwomen and transmen exist).

    since early gay-self-labeling is associated with attempted suicide, it seems unwise to encourage young people to label themselves as gay during the volatile teenage years.

    Like I said before, you’re blaming the victim. It’s like saying that the best way for single women to not get raped is to stay at home where they belong, rather than bloody well doing something about those who wish them harm. To come out or stay in the closet is one’s own choice, but those who want to come out need support, not finger-wagging.

  10. Damian O'Hagan 30 May 2009, 6:09pm

    Angus, you are probably just another Pommie fuckwit! New Zealand is not “too small to standalone”. We DO stand alone. We STAND OUT! We were the first country in the world to give women the vote, and since then the firsts have not stopped coming. And that’s despite the fact we are a nation of only just over 4 million people. So, you know nothing. Ignorant superior imperialist fucking Pommie cretin!

  11. Brian Burton 31 May 2009, 7:11am

    Plague on all your houses! Teen suicides happen all around the world and for many different reasons. That includes the mis-guided cyber blog suicides which seems to be popular nowadays! Nobody knows anything about suicide exept the victim of it. Now, if you lot wanted to end your drab, wretched lives, why you’d know too! And Goodby!

  12. Brian Burton 2 Jun 2009, 4:48pm

    He! He! Heee! What in the world is a Pommie fuckwit?? My dear Damian (Were you in ‘Village Of The Damned Movie?’) Anyway I’ve heard that New Zealand is a hot bed of obesity, street gangs and all manner of lawless goings on. The first big murder case to spring to mind that happened in New Zealand was the case of the two schoolgirls who commited murder in the 1950s. The Mother of one of the girls was a troublesome Mother. As the three walked along a country track, one child dropped a broach, as the Mother bent down to pick up the broach, the girls hit her on the head with a large rock. The murder was duly written down in one of the girls diary. Stranger than fiction I would say! Damian, the person I went to school with in the 50s lives in New Zealand, he’s married with children. He joinrd the New Zealand Air Force and is now retired in Aucland. Ah! now I remember, you were Damian in the Gregory Peck Movie of the same name ‘Damian.’???

  13. “you’re blaming the victim. It’s like saying that the best way for single women to not get raped is to stay at home where they belong, rather than bloody well doing something about those who wish them harm.”

    Well said Pumkin Pie, couldn’t have said it better myself. When idiots like this Cowen creature use Narth “studies” as “proof” of their bigotry, it only shows their lack of understanding and their ignorance on what they are talking about. I’d have more respect for him if he just came straight out and said he hates gays for no reason what so ever, rather than trying to back it up with idiot-level studies put together by a bible bashing 5 year old thug.

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