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Vigilantes ‘patrolling woods with chainsaws’ to discourage cottaging

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  1. …and what are they going to do with those chainsaws…?

    They’re NOT…are they…?!!

    Honest..?!

    Really..??!!

    Ouch..!
    Keith.
    x

  2. Simon Murphy 20 May 2009, 2:56pm

    Wow those guys with chainsaws sound dangerous and deranged. Then again anybody who chooses to go to cruising in parks and woods obviously doesn’t care about their own personal safety or they wouldn’t be putting themselves in such vulnerable situations.

  3. Canm’t believe anyone still does…. Have we not moved passed that now?

  4. Castration perhaps?

    Valedictory for the vigilantes!

  5. Oh, Vee, you’re such a little twat, aren’t you?. No end to your little tirades. Now run along and eat some books, like a good little religious zealot.

  6. This is not an isolated phenomenon – there are known instances of BNP sympathisers actually advertising cruising grounds on websites like Squirt to attract people to these spots so that they can assault and injure the “poofs” and “perverts”.Paradoxically two men beaten by these sorts of vigilantes near Glossop,Derbyshire were both married with wives & children.There are also two instances of men being murdered in two well know gay cruising spots in the countryside around Bolton,Lancs.There are also suspicions that members of the Roman Catholic clergy are giving an unoffical blessing to these groups.

  7. Bud Burgoon-Clark 20 May 2009, 5:59pm

    Paedophile Roman Catholic clergy NEEDN’T!

  8. John (Derbyshire 20 May 2009, 6:45pm

    I think “gendy” has hit the nail squarely on the head here. Its married guys who fancy a bit of gay sex “on the side” who selfishly use these areas for their own personal satisfaction- to the detriment of the quality of life of the people who actually live there.Furthermore they are wilfully betraying and deceiving their wives and families. Basically-they “want it all”-and the reality is that life just isn`t like that. When they are caught-its tragedy all round-destroying their own wives and children. Its those I most feel sorry for. We all know what we rae-and get on with it-despite the huge prpblems we face because of it.

  9. David Griff 20 May 2009, 7:42pm

    Why is always freaks that hijack Morality by expressing arbitrary indignation and laying down random rules. If people want to have sex in random places let them. The married ones should really get permission from their wives I suppose, but we live in a society that is very untolerant of slightly unusual relationship and family structures, so their behaviour is understandable.

  10. Couples and people meeting for sex in public has been going on for decades. In the fifties my parents would often drive to the nearest Lovers Lane and make out. In fact this is where my older sister was conceived they informed me once proudly. Many people use cruising areas for many other reasons other than just sex. They can be the lonely , the confused and the elderly. Esp the elderly as they are badly treated on the gay scene. Witnessed this and experinced this myself as an older gay man. Also in rural areas where they are no gays bar on your door step they can be the only meeting area. The nearest gay bar to me is a two hour round trip. I thought that I would never use crusing grounds , but as I got older and more isolated they were my only source of company. In fact as I celebrate 8 years with my partner now, we meet on a crusing ground, I am thankful for them. So before you all point the finger so readily. Remeber one day you might need them . Straight people do just the same as us. But the dont get groups going around with shot guns and chainsaws. This group should have had the book thrown at them and all jailed for at least two years each. Min. They might have killed some one. Just because there sensibilties have been offended. If this sort of things carrys on, who knows where it could end!!!

  11. commanderthor 20 May 2009, 8:56pm

    Dave, have you read Nineteen Eighty Four by George Orwells? In Oceania, love for anyone else than Big Brother is forbidden, and sexual needs are repressed. The main characters, a straight man and a straight woman, fall in love, but have to hide their relationship. Before meeting her, he used to visit prostitutes to get sex, and the whole thing reminds me of how many gay men and women live their lives today. I certainly do not want to live this way – I think I’d kill myself before it got that bad (I come from a non-religious-cum-what-will-the-neighbours-think background, from a land far far away. If I live back home, that would be my fate.). Luckily it is likely I will be able to live in the free world, so I will try to have a decent life, in a loving relationship with a man, until death does us apart…that’s the dream anyway…

    ps: how fitting that my captcha is “puff of”!

  12. gendy, do you have any links or further corrobation for your allegations against the BNP and Catholic Church?

  13. No I havent read big brother, but surely up until the sexual offences act of 2003, didnt we have this any way? It was illigal for gay men to meet in public. If I was straight and walking in the park, with my dog before 2003, and a nice young lady came along, and I said hi fancy coming back to my house for a coffee and if you like me maybe well could indulge, with your consent, some heavy petting etc, that was fine, Change the figures to two gay men , and hey presto a law had been broken. If people really want to police this and the law is changed, do we as gay men want to go back to that. We can only meet each other where we are told we can? Whilst straight people have no restrictions what so ever. THis is not just a question about sex in a woods, it about freedom and civil liberties. I have found as I grow older the best advice I can give to any one is never say never. Because all our circumstances change and as we age so do our ideals. I have been to areas where straight people go, and who knows what they get up to there. Walking the dog maybe. Grub screw possibly? But we will never know becuase we dont have police taking down number plates, or men running around with shot guns demanding to kinow what they are doing there. I am tired as a gay man for taking the brunt of other peoples hang ups. I for one will always support cruising areas, because for me any many others, they were/are a support network , that else where I could not find.

  14. “A group of vigilantes apparently armed with chainsaws and shotguns have been patrolling a Derbyshire wood to discourage gay men meeting for sex.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Is curious that heterosexual cruising is rarely mentioned. . .
    or that most supermarket car parks in London have become Heterosexual dogging and pick up sites.

    I did not see any vigilantes with chainsaws and guns the last time I visited Tesco.

    Should I be worried?

  15. These str8 men who go cottaging are often married with wives & children. For them this is the only way they can do it and for others who live in the countryside where homophobia is rife it’s just as bad.

    There are less people cottaging nowadays because we are changing the mainstream community to become more excepting of gay culture, but we need to go further with the Equality Bill so that force local Parish Councils to start supporting young people in those rural communities.

    Once the LGBT community is full integrated into the mainstream, the PSE’s (public sex environments) of the old school underground gay community will slowly fade away.

  16. This type of vigilante behaviour is not new….Beaulah Heights in south London has of late been subject to ‘attack’ by a group calling itself ‘The Friends of Beualah Height’ These ‘friends’ AKA:local vicar(Yes, religion poking its homophobic stick in again!),backed by local croyden councilors,and the police! have combined to try and muster up some tactics to oust the gay cruisers! On many early morning visits they have hacked down young trees and bush and placed it all in the pathways where they deem gays are cruising! They have left foot long tree spikes sticking out of the ground! Really dangerous! and now the ‘friends’have allowed a local cyling group to venture on the heights, in the vein hope it would rid crusing for good! What thay don’t realise is that the cyclist are very happy to co-exist alongside the cruisers and some gay cyclist are now using the tracks to wizz up and down the slope! Own goal there i think! Thankfully we don’t have them going up there armed with chainsaws and the like, but with the police giving this fanatic group its backing it beggers belief where we stand! The Derbyshire incident states that the local police will deal with the vigilantes, but here the police are backing them! Work that one out!

  17. Craig wrote
    “These str8 men who go cottaging are often married with wives & children. For them this is the only way they can do it and for others who live in the countryside where homophobia is rife it’s just as bad.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    I find this str8 men crusing thing very interesting . . . if not the hypocrasy . . . . if they are predominatley heterosexual rather than closet gays or just bisexual, then when are heterosexuals going to own up to their practices?

    (Not ment to be moralising, just a pointing at the inconsistencies)

  18. “I’ve never been into the woods and I wouldn’t want to, but apparently the gay men make dens in there with roofs.”

    That is just hilarious! I suppose they crawl around on all fours & howl at the moon too!!

  19. This rag should write for “The Sun”. What a totally reactionary, contrived and COMPLETELY UNTRUE headline.

    What they stated was at one point, some men went to the woods with chainsaws to break down the shelter-like constructions other had built. That is an entirely different proposition to the one this crap article indicated, of “Friday 13th”-type figures in ice hockey masks wielding chainsaws and hacking unsuspecting ramblers legs off.

    No wonder so many people on here over-react in the comments when this website resorts to s—-y, attention-grabbing headlines like this.

  20. “Once the LGBT community is full integrated into the mainstream, the PSE’s (public sex environments) of the old school underground gay community will slowly fade away”

    It’s not the LGBT community mate, us lesbians do not go ‘cottaging’, and acts such as this serve only to give homophobes the ammunition they need!

    I think straight ‘dogging’ is vile, but so is this; and it’s giving the gay community as a whole a bad name. It’s disrupting ramblers and stopping parents taking their kids for walks, and I’m sorry, but like straight dogging, this ‘cottaging’ is perverted too. Just because it’s being done by gay/closeted gay men doesn’t mean we should defend it.

    It’s just plain dirty and rude!

  21. lezabella . . . Lesbians do go crusing, you are mis informed.

    Have you ever considered why crusing gives the gay community a bad name, but heterosexual crusing which is out of control is neglected ignored and rarly mentioned. . . projection is the word that comes to my mind.

  22. Keith (1):

    Here you are. Been looking all over for you. Ouch indeed!

    David GrifF (9):

    ‘…we live in a society that is very intolerant of slightly unusual relationship and family structures…’

    Ain’t that the truth, but it has changed a tad in England since the 18th century.

    For example, and if you’ll bear with me for a moment or two, cruising areas were first described in a book that is largely humorous – Ned Ward’s «History of the London Clubs» dated 1709.

    The author, himself a gregarious tavern owner, includes such whimsicalities as ‘The Lying Club’, ‘The No-Nose Club’, ‘The Beggars’ Club’, ‘The Surly Club’ and ‘The Farting Club’.

    When, however, he comes to describe effeminate men in what he calls ‘The Mollies Club’, Ward’s tone changes from humorous to indignant:

    ‘There are a particular Gang of Sodomitical Wretches in this Town, who call themselves Mollies, and are so degenerated from all masculine Deportment, or manly Exercises, that they rather fancy themselves Women, imitating all the little Vanities that custom has reconcil’d to the female Sex, affecting to speak, walk, tattle, courtesy, cry, scold, and to mimick all manner of Effeminacy that has ever fallen within their several Observations, not omitting the Indecencies of lewd Women, that they may tempt one another, by such immodest Freedoms, to commit those odious Bestialities, that ought forever to be without a Name.’ (Colombia Anthology, p. 209)

    The accompagnying illustration depicts two homosexuals dangling from a triangular scaffold while another homosexual is being burnt alive. (Engraving from ‘The Malefactor’s Register, May 9, 1726)

    Simon Murphy (2):

    Makes perfect sense to me. It’s just that I can’t imagine a cruising area in the country as being as idyllic as a scene from E.M. Forster’s ‘Maurice’. But…

    Dave (10, 12):

    Thank you for sharing your personal insight into this issue. These things are very difficult to experience and equally challenging to share as honestly as you have done.

    However, I am somewhat surprised by your leniency towards these thugs: ‘…jailed for at least two years..’

    Oscar Wilde was jailed for two years for doing what….? What?

    If you ask me, these men should have their homes confiscated, sold at auction with the proceeds going to a homophile society who would upkeep such cruising areas.

    RobN (19):

    Yeah. The great anonymous ‘Staff Writer’ could have concocted a more dramatic headline by using the word ‘Gestapo’ instead of ‘vigilantes’. The latter take the law into their own hands, while the former are subsidized by the State.

    John K (21):

    Any chance of bringing those vigilantes to Pinknews to settle this cloning business? Talk about dynamism, eh?

    Like, how do I know my name wasn’t cloned time ans time again? How does anybody know?

  23. John K – I haven’t been ‘mis informed’, actually; I am a lesbian and hence know a lot. Not one of them hang around woods waiting for random women to show up. Nor do I see gay women hanging around toilets in parks etc, we just don’t do it and if we do then I have yet to see one in the whole of my life. ‘Crusing’ is what most people take to mean hanging around bars which is obviously different; it’s expected, it’ normal and it’s not outdoors. Shagging in public and making somewhere a ‘no-go area’ is wrong whether it’s a straight ‘dogging’ area or a gay ‘cottaging’ area.

    What right do gay men have (or anyone for that fact) to make somewhere a no-go just because they want to get it on?

    Just because this is being carried out by gay men does not mean gay people should defend it.

    And I for one will not. It’s foul.

  24. “John K – I haven’t been ‘mis informed’, actually; I am a lesbian and hence know a lot. Not one of them hang around woods waiting for random women to show up. Nor do I see gay women hanging around toilets in parks etc, we just don’t do it and if we do then I have yet to see one in the whole of my life.”

    Being Lesbian, Gay, heterosexual or Bisexual etc . . . does not automatically qualify any one to know about the intricacies and extent of sexual practices or activities in a particular sexuality, unless that person is a researcher that has study the activities of that practice. . . there is research evidence of Lesbian cruising activities, and yes. . . it is very different to gay male cruising activities. I think you will find a disturbing read, modern and recent european sexological and gender studies research.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    ‘Cruising’ is what most people take to mean hanging around bars which is obviously different; it’s expected, it’ normal and it’s not outdoors.

    When I use the term cruising I am referring to outdoors as well as indoors sexual activities.
    I think what is curious is that the sex these men are alleged to have been engaged in is actually not that public, secluded woods etc. The routine heterosexual activities that go on in public in the open area in public parks, call it heavy petting but I think some of it goes beyond that . . . is far more of an issue. To be fair, this activity does get reported, but mainly in the tabloids. Interestingly, it is rarely met with the condemnation that homosexual sex is met with. . . an one needs to ask why?

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    “Shagging in public and making somewhere a ‘no-go area’ is wrong whether it’s a straight ‘dogging’ area or a gay ‘cottaging’ area.”
    I agree with you on this count.

    My concern is why heterosexual dogging sites are broadly ignored by the public, and rarely turned into a moral, social or political battle, even though heterosexual STDs and HIV infections are soaring. . . this is a clear public health concern.

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    “What right do gay men have (or anyone for that fact) to make somewhere a no-go just because they want to get it on?”

    I agree, I do not think they do. The point I am making is that heterosexual out door activity is not being addressed.

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    “Just because this is being carried out by gay men does not mean gay people should defend it.”

    I am not defending this.
    I am concerned with the complexity of this situation, and why the gaze is always on homosexuals and rarely on heterosexuals.

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    “And I for one will not. It’s foul.”

    Likewise, if I go to Tesco and park the car in the car park, I do not expect to park in a dogging site. If I go to Tesco to buy a continental sausage selection, that is all I expect to focus on.

    Kind regards
    JohnK

  25. You know what mate, you’re an intelligent reasonable man; and I take all your comments on board.

    Atleast we agree ‘dogging’ and ‘cottaging’ is foul, imagine it in winter time, freezing! ; )

    Have a good day.
    x

  26. You know what mate, I take your comments on board. You sound like a very intelligent and reasonable man.

    And atleast we agree that both ‘dogging’ and ‘cottaging’ are foul.

    Anyways, have a good day.

    : )

  27. And they say things are better these days! Cruising isn’t going to go away, especially when we have a scene that only caters to the under 30’s and which costs a fortune to take part in. Then there are the numerous men who don’t want to hang around in gay bars and clubs and married, bi and ethnic minority guys etc.

    The truth is that cruisers are under attack from all sides now as never before, including from narrow minded gay men who think the scene is all anyone needs and even gay publications (the LGF’s outnorthwest mag) are concluding with the police and city council.

    It’s worth pointing out that for many men cruising is about meeting and socialising, and not necessarily having sex in a public place.

    The ‘flasher’ who supposedly exposed himself to a boy may be true or could be total fiction, as it is exactly the kind of false accusation that has always been used against gay men to justify any action against them. Until the 1980’s ‘he likes little boys’ was a popular euphemism for ‘homosexual’.

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