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Adoption and fostering by gay couples to become easier in Scotland

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  1. Bud Burgoon-Clark 22 Apr 2009, 3:58pm

    Last month, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the leader of the Scottish Catholic Church said: “The proposals are as misguided as the change to allow same-sex adoption,”

    “In a consultation at the time of the change in adoption law, 80 per cent of respondents opposed the change yet the government ignored their concerns.

    “A mass of evidence attests to the instability of unmarried relationships and the chronic instability of same-sex partnerships yet worryingly it is ignored.

    “Since less than two per cent of the population is homosexual and a minority of this group are in a stable relationship, which would allow consideration as foster parents, it is difficult to see how the changes advocated can have any impact on widening the potential pool of foster families.”

    I wonder if it’s occurred to the Cardinal that the Church’s BLESSING of same-sex relationships just MIGHT increase their stability. At any rate, it would be an improvement over boinking the altar bois in the vestry.

  2. Yet again the church advances a complete red herring argument when it talks about the ‘instability of unmarried relationships and the chronic instability of same sex relationships’. Yes there may be some unstable same sex relationships out there in the same way as there are very many unstable married relationships. BUT quite clearly the job of the adoption agencies would be to look at the stability of the people involved before considering placement and making the sure the best interests of the child were met, irrespective of the sexuality of the adopting parents. The church knows this full well but continues to bluster at any opportunity.

  3. Stuart Neyton 22 Apr 2009, 6:05pm

    It seems to me that the church would prefer all these children to live in care homes and orphanages rather than loving, caring and stable same-sex households.

  4. Another one in the eye for the Whore of Babylon!

  5. stephen kay 23 Apr 2009, 4:36am

    the fact that the church is outraged really pleases me. When they are outraged we are winning!!

  6. You know I’ve been with the same person for over fifteen years, yet many of my ‘straight’ friends have gotten marrried, hadkids and divorced twice in that time.

    It is a joke that many gay men like to perpetuate, that gay relationships are shorter than those of straight people, but the this typically comes from a perspective of knowing nothing about the truly fickle nature of ‘straight’ relationships. ‘Straight’ people have just as many dodgy affairs and one night stands, as gay people.

    Of course when the Catholic church last year disgraced themselves for attacking gay people for wanting to commemroate those who were butchered by the Nazis during the holocaust, they lost all moral credibility. Taken in the context of some of some of the most offensive comments to come from that sad old man keith O’Brien of the Catholic church, it is abundantly clear, the Catholic church has ZERO credibility in Scotland regarding social issues.

    Please write to congratulate the Scottish Government for taking this stance, as it will help defeat the religious bigot loud mouths in Scotland.

    Bottom line is this;

    Just because you are ‘straight’ doesn’t make you a GOOD parent. Just because you are gay, doesn’t make you a BAD parent.

    Time to set the record straight in Scotland, with facts rather than religious bigotry.

  7. Firstly, figures are hard to come by but it is generally accepted that around six per cent of the population is gay.

    Secondly, human rights is not a numbers game with the largest groups having the most rights. It is about protecting the individual, not the mob.

    Thirdly, putting aside the above, the Cardinal needs to be careful what he wishes for because there are more LGBT people in this country than rregular churchgoers so, by his preferred reckoning, we should have the greater rights.

  8. Pumpkin Pie 23 Apr 2009, 12:42pm

    “A mass of evidence attests to the instability of unmarried relationships and the chronic instability of same-sex partnerships yet worryingly it is ignored.”

    Before: Civil unions are just the same as marriage, so go ahead and get civilly unionated!

    After: You’re not married?! Your relationship sounds like a train wreck! No, I don’t care if you’ve got a civil union, it’s nowhere near as sacred as marriage!

    Among other things, such hypocrisy means that when someone says that unmarried relationships are less stable than married ones, it’s only because such a definition refers to every single type of unmarried relationship out there, regardless of whether it’s between soulmates or fuck-buddies. And I’d like to see some kind of evidence on same-sex relationships being less stable than opposite-sex relationships of the same sort.

    “Since less than two per cent of the population is homosexual and a minority of this group are in a stable relationship, which would allow consideration as foster parents, it is difficult to see how the changes advocated can have any impact on widening the potential pool of foster families.”

    You’d have to be an idiot (or a shyster) to not realise that, if a couple is in a relationship where they want children but can’t procreate without outside aid, they have a MUCH higher chance of being willing to adopt. Therefore, a MUCH higher percentage of same-sex couples will want to adopt than opposite-sex couples. The numbers are pretty large.

  9. Leon K Fox 1 May 2009, 9:27am

    It doesn’t affect you in ANY WAY whatsoever you religious headcases, let people have equal rights and get out of the stone ages already

  10. Well, I guess the church has admitted that gays should have marriage. To stabilize their relationships, which would make them more suitable for adoption.

    And if you think the boinking (fucking of little kids by the priests, and in their day the bishops when they were priests, is confined to America think again.

    First of all, these high crimes have nothing to do with sex. Just like male on female rape has nothing to do with sex. It is an expression of power over the victim, by the perpetrator. Just as prison rape is not about sex, but about establishing the power of the strong over the weak. Just as is done in many animal species.
    And in the church crimes, it was just sex starved individuals establishing their power over the children, M & F.

    And have you seen the recent relevation in Ireland that this has gone on there for decades also. Forced sex, overwork, little food, little heat etc for orphanages and reform schools run by the Catholic “Christian Brothers”. $175 Mil has been paid out, and totals are expected to be upwards of $2 billion.

    The Catholic church is a monstrosity, built on a monstrosity of history. It gave the world hitler, the dark ages, and the crusades that poisoned Muslim society while killing 50 million during 900-1500.

    No wonder a maniac had so little problem in finding people to go take flying lessons here in the USA, and bomb making lessons in the UK and elsewhere.

    My whole family is out of that church. You should be also.

    If you are familiar with the debate in the USA about closing the guantanamo prison for Islamic terrorists, I think we have a better solution.

    We can throw the criminals of the church in with the Islamic terrorists held there.

    See if they can find common ground, or solve the problems of what to do with both groups trying to show the superiority of their god.

  11. BTW “less then 2% of the population is homosexual”……..Huh

    A well respected statistical blind study came back with 5.8% admidting being gay/les. And we have to assume that does not include all the hetero married miserable “not so str8s” who don’t dare come out. And also those who figure the study is rigged to out them. The true # is prob 10%

    Oh, sri I missed something in the other post – why did the church in the US and Ireland hide their rape crimes for decades, and even just move the perpetrators around to let them continue their dirty deeds?

    There is only one answer – because the hierarchy is just as rotten to the core.

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