Same sex Marrage or Civil Partnerships will eventually be the norm every where.
No matter what some Bishops say it will be the Church Meeting (Synod) that decides over ceremonies this autumn.
Congratulations Sweden! If only the US would be as forward-thinking.
Another ruling that shows the UK to be so far behind the times. The UK prides itself as being so free and right on but we’re nowhere near to this brilliant news from Sweden….
re Brian: Sweden already had civil partnerships since 1995. I don’t think civil partnerships are equal to marriage. Hopefully countries such as the UK and Germany will follow Sweden and Norway’s lead and convert their civil partnerships into full marriage.
I hope the UK will follow Sweden’s example – Sweden didn’t leap directly into legalising gay marriage, quite sensibly it introduced civil partnerships 13 years ago and after a period of reflection and the adjustment of social attitudes it moved to introducing full gay marriage. A very sensible process.
Just as we did with the age of consent – some gay activists froth at the mouth at John Major’s lowering of the age of consent to 18 in 1994, but that was a milestone on the path to equality and allowed a period of adjustment within society until 16 was approved in 2000. The gay marriage issue will hopefully follow the same path and in a few years time there will be a natural progression to full gay marriage.
Democracies are stronger when legislation is changed gradually – it is dictatorships that seek to rush through radical rafts of new laws.
A great victory for Sweden. Now let’s push the UK government further along this road.
I hate the way UK people moan so much we want everything now now now. I bet the rest of the world sees use as a toddler having a tantrum its just embarrassing people need to care the f–k down lol. \m/
Matt #10 – are you joking?
You regard demanding equality to be like a toddler having a tantrum.
What a bizarre, self-hating attitude that is.
Thomas #7 – I don’t agree that changing legislation slowly is necessarily better.
If the gay age of consent had been equalised at 16 in 1994 what would the consequences have been? Nothing whatsoever. People who were opposed to an equal age of consent were also opposed to lowering the gay age of consent to 18. So their opinions cannot be taken into consideration as they will be opposed to equality at every turn. The majority of the population wouldn’t care much either way.
likewise with gay marriage. The government introduces the unequal CP legislation to appease some religious and non-religious homophobes. They do not grasp the central point that these people they are appeasing are against CP as well. The general population wouldn’t care much either way. So why legislate for inquality as they have done?
Thomas, Mihai and Ron…don’t expect the UK to do what Sweden did. The C of E, among other cults is too far entrenched in the political process. Don’t forget, according to the marriage haters who post here, the majority of British gays didn’t want marriage. They opted for inequality to get similar rights not realising that they were asking to be treated as a segregated class of people which is what these partnerships do as well as downgrade legally married same-sex couples who marry overseas to civil partnerships. Obviously, our government doesn’t know how to read a mariage licence. Several states in America already recognise these marriages for what they are even though only two states right now allow its gay citizens to marry. Sweden has demonstrated of course that civil partnerships are definitely NOT equal, never have been, never will be. If the UK were truly interested in FULL equality it would allow us to marry if we so choose, but it doesn’t. So now we have five countries in the EU with full marriage equality and growing. You can bet Denmark will be the next, possibly Finland.
Simon, I totally agree with you. We can expect the usual barrage of vitriole from the same-sex marriage opponents who post here, just wait and see. The reason why many of them bash us is that deep down they know that the tide is turning and mostly all in denial.
Robert. Serious question. What REALLY is the difference between Civil Partnerships and marriage in the UK? As I understand it, it is the State that marries people, the church (or some other religious institution) provides a blessing of sorts. Anybody in the UK that is not CofE must go through the process of getting their marriage registered by the state. It is only because the CoE is the established church in England that the two processes have become conflated. So I don’t regard ( as I am not religious) CPs as a second best to mariage and I think that this is why the path of same sex marriage is having such a struggle in USA. I would dearly like to think that one day we could go down the same route as Sweden – where interestingly the church was dis-established in 2000. Thousands of gay men and lesbians now have legal status in their relationships and if they had had to wait for full marriage would still be waiting. Pragmatically it was much better to take the step for CPs first(particularly for some friends of mine whose partners have since died) than wait for something which for many is seen as symbolic.
The legal stature of a civil partnership in the UK is IDENTICAL to a civil marriage – in all but name.
While I would love to see the ridiculous, luke-warm legal terminology “Civil Partnership” replaced by “Marriage” some day, I am quite happy to be in one myself. All of our friends call us “married” and we refer to each other as “husband”. That is, afterall, what we are.
It’s a shame the UK government bowed to the religious (funda)mentalists when they created the laws, but I imagine that, if it hadn’t been renamed, we would still be fighting for partnerships to this day. I do believe that one day (but probably not soon, given we will have a Conservative government in the very near future) it will eventually be renamed “marriage”.
John and Simon, the media, the public can refer to civil partnerships as “marriage”, but in reality they are not. Marriage is and always will be the universal gold standard around the world be that straight or same-sex marriage. Civil partnerships, unions of whatever kind for gay people really have no portability once you leave the UK. Marriage is really the only vehicle to guarantee universal recognition. Conversely…..in the UK, two British gay nationals who choose to get married in say Spain, Norway or Canada for instance, who upon return to the UK find out that their legal foreign marriage is not recognised as such in the UK even though they have a marriage certificate as evidence. Our government refuses to acknowledge them for what they really are. Interestingly, New York State where I currently reside actually recognises same sex marriages from elsewhere even though same-sex marriage legislation currently pending in this state has not yet been passed. If New York can recognise them for what they are, so too can the UK. Its absurd to treat them differently in the UK. The EU should and must guarantee that there is some universal standard within the union at least for all gay couples. The only way to convey that is to open marriage to all gay EU citizens, not have a hodge podge of partnerships, unions, PACS and whatever….its ridiculous and creates a bureaucratic nightmare with some states offering more rights than others, some with none at all, absolutely impractical and ridiculous. It has to happen before there is full equality across the EU, in fact it should be mandated for membership, among other things.
Its great though, we now have seven countries allowing marriage. Holland, Belgium, Spain, Norway, Sweden, Canada, South Africa and two states in the U.S. all of them with reciprocal regognition. Its growing and its not going to stop. It is inevitable. Sooner or later, the UK too will have no choice.
Simon, opening full marriage to gay couples won’t happen under a conservative government, no matter how “gay-friendly” they may seem to garner votes. Their party is in bed with the C of E hierarchy. Look at the make-up of the house of lords, that should tell you right away, they almost always vote tory. The only way the UK will allow us to marry is by an order from the EU, if and when that ever happens, similar to the order that compelled Britain to allow gays to serve openly in the military.
Marrage or Civil Partnership: I am Civil Partnershiped at my local Registrars Office. I must say I feel married and have the same privelages as male and female married couples. My Partner and I feel we did the right thing joining in leagl Partnership.