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San Francisco archbishop bans gay play from ‘inclusive’ church

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  1. Well what did you expect?
    Inclusive provided they are not “those evil, gays people” who are screwing up our ancient beliefs and making us look even more bigoted and backward than we already are.

    By the way and I am not on commission or anything but The God Box is a good read for anyone interested in the Christian nonsense spouted about gays.

  2. Read the article properly before you comment.
    This isn’t a case of that specific Church themselves denying the performance of the play, but rather the Archbishop overruling the Church’s Pastor. Seems from the article that the Pastor was more than happy for the play to go ahead.
    This isn’t the specific Church’s fault, they ought to be commended for their work on inclusion, which is wonderful considering the usual attitude that Catholicism particularly is known for against the LGBT community.

  3. It would even be better if the local church officials resigned from a church that took the lead against our community in last fall’s election. How can they justify their immoral behavior and still consider themselves the Christians they think they are…?

  4. Edward in Los Angeles 11 Mar 2009, 7:33pm

    Another shameless member of the Catholic hierarchy, for whom the notion of equal rights for all citizens means absolutely nothing.

  5. Why the surprise? This is the same church which has just said in its vatican newspaper that women were more emancipated by the washing machine than by the pill or the right to work. Personally, I think they’re stark raving lunatics, the whole sorry lot of `em.

  6. Why the surprise? This is from the same church that states in its vatican news rag that women were emancipated more by the washing machine than by the pill or the right to work. It would be funny if it wasn’t so disturbing.

  7. The Roman Espiscopacy is a self-perpetuating reactionary heirarchy which is known to keep files on priests with radical views and thus excludes them from getting a mitre. Don’t expect the priest of the church in question ever to get to be a bishop. Raving Ratzinger didn’t end up on the throne of St Peter for nothing.

  8. ritthichai 11 Mar 2009, 8:42pm

    All the bishops are after promotion and with ‘Betty XVI’ in Rome they feel they have to be so vile against LGBT people to get it. Stuff ‘em. They already feel they are isolated form civilized society – great. There’s no other way to change their attitude.

  9. @J. Geetas: Most of the “Christian nonsense” targeted at GLBT people is not Christian. It is also insulting to lump together a minority of people, for that is what Christians are, with a religious majority that claim that title. Do your research before making sweeping statements about Christians and assuming you know what is actually condemnded in the Bible. For centuries, Christians conducted same-sex marriages until the religious bigots became involved. Some churches have conducted same-sex marriages even in times of grave oppression and those churches members were mainly heterosexual. Do your research. Poor academics irks me, and it is almost always carried over into other areas, from Economics to Linguistics.

  10. This points out the pointlessness of trying to form gay friendly or progressive churches in institutionally homphobic entities like the Church of Rome. The congregants should take back what remains of their intellectual integrity by leaving the church NOW!

  11. George Broadhead 12 Mar 2009, 10:09am

    An impartial examination of the Christian “holy” book, the history of Christianity, and its Hebrew origins, should remove any illusions which lesbians and gay men may have about the tolerance of Christianity towards homosexuality.

    History attests that the Church has been the foremost persecutor of gays for almost two thousand years. During the Dark Ages, they were punished, if they were lucky, by excommunication, denial of last rites and burial in unsanctified ground. But many, not so lucky, were submitted to torture, mutilation and death by burning. The very term “faggot” refers to the bundles of sticks over which known and suspected gays were burned alive by Church authorities. Such barbaric treatment is comparable to that perpetrated by the Nazis who incarcerated gays in their concentration camps where they were brutalised and subjected to medical experiments.

  12. While I agree with most of what you say, please don’t perpetuate the urban myth of the word ‘faggot’ coming from burning at the stake – it is an American usage that isn’t recorded before the 20c. (http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-fag1.htm)

  13. Simon Murphy 12 Mar 2009, 11:29am

    The catholic church is a vile facist organisation headed by a a formber Nazi. Nobody should be surprised by this bishop’s actions and comments. He is a dumb facist pig just like his entire church.

  14. George Broadhead 12 Mar 2009, 12:30pm

    Thanks Rehan.

    It is worth looking up ‘faggot’ in the Online Etymological Dictionary.

  15. john sharp 12 Mar 2009, 3:51pm

    stop all public funding for the religions and for their building
    let them pay taxes
    we do not need them
    homophobic religious freaks

  16. Eugene

    Most of the “Christian nonsense” targeted at GLBT people is not Christian.

    What is it then?
    It comes out of the mouths of those who define themselves as Christians.

    “It is also insulting to lump together a minority of people, for that is what Christians are, with a religious majority that claim that title.”

    Not really sure what you are on about here?
    Christianity is a minority religion in world terms and there are some 3,000 sects or branches of it. Most are hostile to homosexuality mainly, though not exclusively, on the basis of biblical references, don’t need to repeat them here.

    “Do your research before making sweeping statements about Christians and assuming you know what is actually condemnded in the Bible. “

    Scholars are divided on what is and is not condemned in the Bible but the majority of sects seem to take the view that, “on biblical” and “grounds of unnatural behaviour.” they are against homosexuality and many sects say so load and clear. They actively opposed to what they call the “gay agenda”.

    “For centuries, Christians conducted same-sex marriages until the religious bigots became involved. Some churches have conducted same-sex marriages even in times of grave oppression and those churches members were mainly heterosexual.”

    Well, one can only presume that it was the Christian religious bigots who put a stop to their Christian bretheren who were conducting these same sex marriages.
    Oppression, would that by any chance be “religious oppression?”

    “Do your research. Poor academics irks me, and it is almost always carried over into other areas, from Economics to Linguistics.”

    Can’t help you on these particular irks of yours, sorry.

  17. Brian Burton 15 Mar 2009, 5:03pm

    Do’sent that narrow minded Bishop know whats going on in the real world? My Civil Partner and I are both Christians. We had our union blessed by our Minister. There are hundreds of thousands of us Gay Chrisians around and enjoying worship. So stick your predjudice Bishop in your ear!

  18. I understand that this week the RC church in the USA revealed how many millions of $$$’s in compensation they have had to pay out because of Paedophile Priests crimes and they expect to pay out a lot more in future; THEN they have the unmitigated hyprocracy to crusade against the LGBT community!

  19. Lots of good people in the church, and good priests. But the hierarchy deserves to be delivered to saudi arabia, with a stack of bibles. Those people will solve the worlds problems with the church hierarchy.

    The Catholic church, which gave the world a thousand years called the dark ages, and the hatred of Jews, which hitler combined with terrible economic malaise, to gain total control of Germany. We all know the result.

    And btw, guess what religion was hitler born into? – Hint – Northern Germany is Lutheran. Southern is Catholic. Austria is south of Germany. And if you read Mein Kampf, you’ll see the same one man dictator mentality (vs democracy), and the same type of absolutism that the church calls absolute truths.

  20. Susan Casslan 28 Jun 2010, 4:14pm

    I am a member of MHR, and none of this will deter the incredible community of gay people at MHR. The Bishop will not silence what is going on there. The spirit and love found in that church will surely overshadow any of this negativity. My blog which deals with gay Catholicism can be found at http://www.susancasslan.com
    Another site from SF: http://www.gaycatholicforum.com

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