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  1. As ever these politicians miss the point by a mile and it just illustrates a simmering homophobia. Flying the rainbow flag may be a gesture, but I don’t care – it’s a good gesture to make. Thank you North Wales Police!

  2. scratch some Tories and you find an un-reconstructed bigot.

    David Cameron and his team can work endlessly to try and get our trust, and a couple of backwoods politicians bugger it all up

  3. Rob Atkins 2 Feb 2009, 8:07pm

    Or alternatively, some of us would prefer it if our public organisations paid rather less attention to “symbolic acts” and more attention to doing the job we pay them to do. Let individuals make their mores known, not public institutions !

  4. @rob
    These symbolic gestures cost little to public organisations, and after so many years of being despised by officialdom it gives something back.

    Also note: ALL central govt departments announce 11am on Armistice day so staff can stop working if they wish. A costly gesture, no?

    Actually, no. Because certain things need “gestures”

  5. Outraged of Tunbridge Wells 2 Feb 2009, 10:27pm

    I go with Rob. This has damn all to do with law enforcement, and lots to do with appeasing the liberals that like to show that they are “in tune” with the right-on agenda.

    This smacks much the same as the firemen on Pride march a few weeks back. We pay our public servants to get on with their jobs, not act as political tools.

    Leave the gestures to politicians kissing babies.

  6. jonnielondon 2 Feb 2009, 10:56pm

    The Ontario Police College in Aylmer, Ontario, Canada has a pride flag on display in the front entrance. I only wish the police headquarters here had one too!

  7. Alan Parker 3 Feb 2009, 10:54am

    @Outraged. I half agree with you, but as apYrs pointed out, we have been poorly served by the police in previous years, just talk to men who were around prior to the law change in 1967, and many years since. A small gesture, but one that makes me feel happier about dealing with the police.

    As for leaving politicians to make these gestures, it struck me that Darren Millar, the tory mentioned in this piece, does make a gesture and it’s the same one made by thatcher, tebbit and the other architects of Section 28. New Conservative? Seems pretty much like the old bunch to me

  8. Tony Lambet 3 Feb 2009, 10:56am

    Tory Vote = Vote against Gay rights.

    I’m sorry, but anyone that says the Tories are now “gay friendly” needs their head tested.

  9. Outraged of Tunbridge Wells 3 Feb 2009, 11:19am

    Oh. As usual, it’s the evil, wicked Tories that are to blame for everything. We wont mention how the “peoples party” have managed to totally f*ck up this country in the last twelve years?

    Showing gestures is all very well, but appease one, and you have to do them all. What about Black Heritage month? Breast cancer awareness initiative? Nut Allergy weekend? Everyone will want to get on the bandwagon. We don’t need flags and posters, we simply want recognition, awareness and understanding. We asked for *equality*, not being put on a pedestal. Being equal generally means being treated ordinary, regular and mundane people just like the other 95% of society.

  10. John (Derbyshire) 3 Feb 2009, 1:20pm

    Ok Tunbridge-you have a point. This political correctness is being hi-jacked by the Tory right and used as a weapon against us.Don`t you see that??

  11. John (Derbyshire) 3 Feb 2009, 1:23pm

    PS Dominic Grieve -Shadow Justice Minister-has already said he wants to tamper with the laws affecting us-and Anne Widdecombe has boasted that the majority of the new Tory candidates-due in the 2010 election-already support her views on homosexuality and abortion. BEWARE–they already have their guns pointing straight at us!! You have been warned!!

  12. Outraged of Tunbridge Wells 3 Feb 2009, 4:28pm

    John, you still don’t get it. If a Labour politician had complained, you would have probably accepted it. Grieve has hi-jacked nothing! All he has said is the police are posturing, and I totally agree with him. We have crime rates going through the roof and these plods are poncing about with rainbow flags trying to give a good PR image. Maybe if they caught a few more criminals, instead of trying to look good, we might have a bit more time for them.

  13. Unless a flag is flown for every minority groups pride month. Then nobodies flag should be flown.

  14. Ryan Haynes - fyi radio 3 Feb 2009, 4:38pm

    After speaking to Michael Cashman at the weekend my key concern is that we can continue to fight for equality and legislation to protect LGBT people but until these laws are implemented and adhered to they become pointless pieces of paper.

    While flying a flag is symbolic, I want to see education and action happen – because any two-year old can wave a pretty flag!

  15. John (Derbyshire) 3 Feb 2009, 5:46pm

    Ok Outraged- They may be poncing about now-trying to look good and presenting a positive PR image-but-guess what-after the next election they will still be poncing about -but this time spending hours and hours wondering round cruising areas and fitting up public conveniences with cameras trying to catch a few gays instead of trying to catch the real criminals. Can`t you see what we are slipping in to here?

  16. Yeah, “political correctness gone mad” is the usual whine of homophobic bigots, just read the daily mail for proof of that. This has cost nothing in police time. I doubt a copper even went up to the roof to put the flag up, probably a member of the police staff did it who’s duties, amongst many others, include sticking flags up poles, for whatever reason. A lot of fuss about nothing but as usual, a tory makes it a big deal. Typical right wing attitude. Yeah, I hear all this crap about how Labour have caused this recession (really? not the yanks then?) but we had a recession under thatcher but I had damn sight less rights then than I do now under Labour. Recession? I’ll survive, no one will starve to death including tory loving gays who seem to have a rather selective memory when it comes to the rights and wrongs of particular political parties.

  17. The Daily Telegraph got it wrong. It’s the Gay Police Association flag, not a rainbow flag per se, that’s been hoisted at the North Wales Police HQ.

    In a blog entry on 30th Jan, Asst Chief Constable Ian Shannon wrote: “February is LGBT History Month and I was delighted to have the opportunity today to join colleagues in raising the Gay Police Association flag outside North Wales Police Headquarters, to mark the launch of this celebration.” See

    On Friday afternoon I passed the North Wales Police HQ and the only flag visible from the main road was the Welsh Red Dragon flag on the main flagpole in front of the building. I have no idea which part of the site the Gay Police Association flag has been flying in.

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