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  1. Simon Murphy 21 Jan 2009, 5:12pm

    Glad he enjoyed it. But his attendance at the inauguration of the president of a secular democracy was as disgustingly inappropriate as the presence of the facist Rick Warren. The US constitution promises a separation between church and state. The fact that cult members like Warren and Robinson were invited (as representatives of their religious cults instead of simply private citizens) should make us all worried. The secular nation of the US is in serious danger because of these religious lunatics

  2. AMPisAnglican 21 Jan 2009, 6:25pm

    Simon Murphy seems to be ignorant of US history.

    The separation of Church and State was never intended to result in a secular or “atheist” country. At the time (late 1700’s) many Americans had left England, which for its own security reasons after years of Catholic/Protestant wars, had “The Established Church”. The Established Church, at that time, meant that the Church was part of the Government (Bishops to this day hold seats in the English House of Lords), and the Government had authority over the Church. The intention of the Separation of Church and State was to end this institutionalized religious discrimination.

    The US also has the Bill of Rights, which includes both the Right to Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of Expression. So if your President Elect desires to have his Inauguration blessed by a Priest, he is completely within his Rights to have this done. A tolerant and inclusive society would understand and support this.

    That Simon refers to my Faith as a cult, and Reverend Warren and Mr. Robinson as a lunatics is hateful, insensitive, and insulting.

  3. Ronbisosn shoudl just take off the frock and stop being a hypocrit. Christanity does not suit him, or is it vice versa?

  4. General Colin Powell and he ‘greeted each other with the secret Episcopal handshake’! Could someone please explain ?

  5. Simon Murphy 22 Jan 2009, 1:36pm

    “So if your President Elect desires to have his Inauguration blessed by a Priest, he is completely within his Rights to have this done. A tolerant and inclusive society would understand and support this.”

    You are incorrect AMPisAnglican. If Obama is going to invite cult members like Warren and Robinson to spout their superstitious beliefs at his inauguration he is not being inclusive to the catholic, muslim, jewish or mormon etc etc cults who had no representative speaking on their behalf (and neither did he invite an atheist speaker to speak on behalf of secular humanists). Therefore if he wanted to be inclusive he would either invite a speaker of every religious cult in the US or invite none. The fact that he only invited the Warren and Robinson cultists mean he was being anything but inclusive. This lack of inclusivity is part of the poisonous influence of organised religions/cults.

    I still maintain that a secular nation should not be in the business of appeasing religious cults.

  6. Patti in Dallas 22 Jan 2009, 8:12pm

    Actually, the chair of the Democratic National Committee is “Gov. Howard Dean” (not “Gov. Warren Dean”). He was governor of neighboring Vermont for about 12 years before running for president in 2004 and then taking the helm of the national party.

    While I believe strongly in the separation of church and state, I personally do not object to the inclusion of faith leaders in a president’s inaugural ceremony as long as they either speak strictly and pointedly only for themselves (and never on behalf of all, as if to imply that all Americans believe as the faith leader does) or are inclusive of ALL possible faiths.

  7. David Keys 23 Jan 2009, 4:33pm

    A very interesting website! Share it to the world.

  8. Bill Perdue 6 Jan 2011, 6:58am

    Robinson is an idiot, Obama is a bigot and Warren was part of the effort to leganize anti-LGBT pogroms in Ugnada.

    Religious cult leaders like der papenfuehrer, the grand ayatollahs, mormon presidents, religious zionists and Rick Warren are the enemies of democracy, science and ethics. So are political misleaders who pander to cultists like the Clintons, the Bushes, Cameron and Obama.

    Religion is a form of insanity composed of equal parts of greed, superstition and ignorance that comes howling straight out of the Dark Ages and prehistory.

    The criminal intent of islamists, christers and judaists towards women, GLBT folks, trade unionists and youth is only limited by what they can do to us, not what they want to do to us. The cults and political rightists have always been the twin pillars of exploitative social systems.

    Religion is humankinds greatest tragedy.

  9. Bill Perdue 6 Jan 2011, 7:19am

    AMPisAnglican is clueless about US history.

    The US was founded by atheists and deists, who in US history can be described as people who pray “to whom it may concern”.

    “I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world …” Thomas Jefferson

    “The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind … to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” Benjamin Franklin

    “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.” Benjamin Franklin in Poor Richard’s Almanac

    ” I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.” Thomas Paine

    “The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” John Adams –

    Adams signed and the Senate ratified the 1798 Treaty of Tripoli which states “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

    “Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

    ” …I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” George Washington, to United Baptists Churches of Virginia, May, 1789

    “What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.” James Madison

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